Just because someone doesn't mind giving out their MySpace profile, doesn't mean their friends who's pictures are on there don't mind either.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudClone
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Just because someone doesn't mind giving out their MySpace profile, doesn't mean their friends who's pictures are on there don't mind either.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloudClone
But they're on there to use Myspace and if they don't want other people to see there pictures and information in a more personal sense they have the options to hide all pictures and profile information from anyone who is not in there friends list.Quote:
Originally Posted by 8Freak8
So they accept who see's their pictures, they accept who see's there 'personal' information.
MySpace is very good at giving you the option to be very flexible.
Edit: @MAD: You party pooper. ;)
I couldn't of said it better if i swallowed a book on wissdom, wit and intelligence :)
seriously well constructed and i agree to every last point, it's not just a bitter immature kid making it about recieving infractions for what they've done, you've agreed on how it CAN be done and how you agree etc.
seriously, well done!
Thanks for your comment.
I have to admit that I do indeed respect this post due to the fact that you're not whining like some do just because they got an infraction, you laid out your points well, and had valid reasons. This doesn't necessarily mean I agree :p but it deserves a cohesive response atleast which many have given you and I'll give the same.
I agree with you on one point there. Our trial moderators as a group, not just this group, basically all groups, tend to be a bit over eager with infractions. This is really can't be helped, and by the end of their trial it has toned down. You're saying they have to prove they have good judgement, but how do they prove it if they don't have the power that they are proving they can wield? They have to be tested out with it before we can know for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angelus
I don't quite agree with that. The reason is, this is primarily the purpose of the moderators in general. Also infractions need to be added just before the post is edited. Therefore the infractor would also have to edit. That's basically a forum moderator's job, so we kinda already have that in the forum moderators. If you think Trialist Forum Moderators shouldn't have it, how can we ascertain they are fit to wield the power? Only thing that would happen is regular moderators would be going a little crazy with them at the beggining, and also edits by trial moderators wouldn't recieve infractions. The only other group left is managerial staff and the managerial staff you recieve infractions from are most probably also moderators, so its not to do with managers I don't think.Quote:
Which brings me on to a point. There should be a set group of people specificially allowed to give infractions, not just everyone with a slight bit of moderation power. This is how problems and mistakes occure.
I propose that you have a selection of staff who have proved their judgment through a test or something which shows they're responsible enough to have the responsibility of handing out infractions. These people could be reconised by a certain coloured username, or displayed on a page which lists the people who are the 'Infraction Police' or whatever you want to call them.
This needs to improve. (The system is fair, if done correctly!)
To be quite honest, some members are ten and I've seen members as old as 16 act 10. I even saw one 28 year old who I could've sworn was 11/12. Some people just aren't that smart. Also I don't know what rule you're talking about, but I do hope you're not suggesting we allow people to arrange to meet up over the forum, as that would be bad.Quote:
• HabboxForums Rules -
Now, onto your rules here. Yes, they're rules and we have to follow them if we wish to be apart of your community, right? Yes, that is true but you seem to think that we are 10 and going to meet up with people off the internet in a secluded area where we will be kidnapped.
95% of the people on here know the risks of this and know that it should not be done.
I can tell you that your chances of reversing the MySpace rule are pretty low. Firstly, some users who give it out on here / read it are underage and not eligible for MySpace. Secondly you have to have your parents permission or be 18+ to release that I do believe. Anyway, people could be on your profile that do not want to be exposed, and there could be swearing or personal info.Quote:
For instance, the Myspace thing. What is the harm in giving out your myspace? Because of phedophiles? Yes, but there are those in real life, on our streets just the same as on chatrooms and such. Myspace reaches MILLIONS of people world wide and is accepted as an online community of people of ALL ages to interact, chat and be free to express opinions and such. Habbox needs to lighten up on this, there are millions upon millions of people who share there photo's of friends, themselves and even there pets. You need to see that we're not 8 and have the responsibility to make our own decisions on posting our Myspaces.
I agree with your comment about how strictly mods stick to being off topic, and the rule has just changed so good for you on that :]Quote:
• HabboxForums Rules² -
The stricness of your rules is just... Abysmal. I mean, Yes, there are people who don't follow them but you deal with them acordingly. Infractions for going 'offtopic'. Don't you think that is a bit overboard? We are mostly teenagers who want to express our opinions and have fun. (Isn't that what habbox is about? Having fun in the community?)
We're not an official fansite but we may be in the future. Also even with all these rules, we tend to attract many e-rebels, and admit it, if we loosened up these rules they'd go crazy with it. Some rules like off topic, yes, but others no.Quote:
You're not an official fansite and from what I've heard you don't want to be, if so then, why don't you lighten the rules up. You don't need all these rules.
Like you said, large ones should be removed. The thing is, 2 pixels isn't much, but when we say ok to 2 pixels, someone's 3 over, and they say well you let 2 pixels over, and it piles up and up and up. Even if we say, buffer of 10 pixels, people will say, but mine's only 2 over the buffer or something. The sizes will just keep increasing if we say two more than the accepted limit. That's why we have to strictly cut it off at a number.Quote:
For instance, signature limitation and size. It's horrible. People won't abuse if there is no rule to it and anyone who does do an extremly large image, you can just remove it, but images which are like 2 pixels bigger than the set standards and removed by a moderator for being 'too big' is just ridiculas and pathetic. (As it has happened to me)
Basically, we cannot control people's safety on messenger. If people give it out, they could expose themselves to harm where we cannot maintain their security. And believe me, some need it.Quote:
• MSN/Instant Messengers/Myspaces. Etc... -
Why do you have a problem with this? On my profile, it says I'm from Oxford, in the united kingdom, I've said my name, I've said almost practically
my information, what more would I tell someone on Messenger? Or what more would it give away on myspace? NOTHING.
Basically, we have to protect them all we can. To be honest, if someone gets tracked down by a pedophile because of a picture on HxF or something, we can be sued because technically we're legally responsible.Quote:
So what we have pictures of ourselves. To locate someone from a picture in a city if you did not know them or anything is slim and who in there right mind would do that? Phedophiles? Maybe, but the risk of that or anything is the same risk as any other danger in life. Getting hit by a car, getting into arguments with people, fights, hell even terrorism. It's something which is an outside factor which can't be controlled. Instant messenger is basically the same as this forum except you can have real time messages and conversations with friends you meet and you only add the people you know and people you've met. if you don't liek someone or they suggest something, theres the magical BLOCK button and you use your common sense to ignore them.
Well there are ways to get around that if you're friends, ask your friend to give them your contact etc, but giving them out over Habbox and us not enforcing the rule makes us liable. Also you must admit that there are some who don't use it responsibly.Quote:
I can guarentee, 90% or more of this forum has some sort of instant messenger/myspace/picture orientated website and use it everyday correctly and safely and the fact that HabboxForum are telling us we can give it out to the people we know, OUR friends, makes no sense. This rule should be reviewed.
Everything we do is really for the community, though some don't like it. I think you made some really good points, some I agree with, some I don't, but they are opinions, I think mine are right in some cases, and you think yours are right in some cases. I guess it'll be up to the rest to decide but I can tell you that the MySpace and pictures rules probably won't get changed and I don't think we'll make infraction police. However I will assure you that Seacat is aware of the problem with infractions and is working hard to solve it along with the forum management.Quote:
• Conclusion -
Please review your rules/the way you 'disiplin' us and try to think of what I've said here and maybe think about us and the community.
So overall, great post, great ideas, and thanks for actually being mature about them :p
This is all so true, I get an infraction for trying to get the attention of HabboxHosting support, its so unfair the service is getting worse. With an average support response time of around 36 hours now its getting silly.
Well, I was orignally going to a do a post saying "I GOTZ AN INFRACTIONSS REVERSE PLS". ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by nvrspk4
Thank you for your comments, I understand where you're comming from in a sense but in other sense, don't agree with some of the things that you said either, but hey, thats life, opinions differ from person to person.
What I'm saying is, that your friends might have their profile private, but then you might have pictures of them on your profile anyway - so they're not private after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angelus
i agree with it all... + rep for explain it clearly
Personally I don't mind much if people exchange msn emails, I'm sure almost everybody does that anyway, it is how most teenagers communicate with each other.
But Habbo has always been very strict against giving out emails. For example giving out your email on Habbo usually results in a permanent ban as far as I know. And as long as we are a fansite of Habbo it is good to follow their safety rules, as long as they are reasonable.
I don't know much about MySpace, but we could ask Habbo if they mind if people give it out, but I think they do.