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Originally Posted by MissAlice

Disappointed :(
Would of been nice to see you contribute here!

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Sorry Alice I've been mad busy trying to organize the Habbo BB stuff :P Plus, most of what needed to be said was said IMO.

Although I don't agree that all longtime forum members should be unbanned after good behavior. Those banned for Rudeness or Constant rulebreaking who are judged to have contributed to the forum in the past maybe after 6 months get a probation. But if they come back on another account and cause trouble that probation offer is null and void.

A month's VIP for those who present good constructive ideas would indeed be a good addition.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Banning members in the first place makes management look far worse than unbanning them, and I am yet to see people moan about NaughtyNemo and whoever the other guy is (bad with names) asking to be unbanned.

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Man, that hurts. I thought you loved me. :'(

Firstly, I'd like to thank you Alice for your continued good attitude and approach to problems and solutions, it really makes a nice change :)

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Originally Posted by MissAlice

Now I would like to to ask a question that doesn't apply to new members who instantly get banned because their sole intention is to disrupt, but the question do any members get sent a final warning? If they aren't maybe that's something that should of been issued, and could be used in the future, as maybe that's what was needed recently as then I would totally agree with you, there would be no need to unban or for me to even suggest a probationary period if unbanned.

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I can answer this one purely from a personal perspective because its the way I like to do things and think its most fair. Except in the case of spammers and the obvious rulebreakers, I ALWAYS give some sort of final warning PM before manually banning someone. There will probably be a few members in this forum who've received one from me and can testify to that. They often contain sentences such as "continuing to do xyz will earn you a caution, if not worse punishment." That way, if they choose to ignore it and carry on doing what they were doing, they deserve the ban and knew what they were getting themselves into. Other members of the smod+ team do things slightly different to the way I do, but that's their lookout. It may take about 5 minutes longer of my time but it avoids situations like Neversoft's and Nemo's, presuming they weren't PMd prior to the bans (I know no details of the situation so I'm not really in a position to comment).

But I seem to have digressed. Your idea of rewarding positive contributors was actually suggested to me a while ago by, of all people, Coldplay. He suggested that moderators select someone in their section each month (they're encouraged to post and interact so they get to know people's attitudes fairly well) who contributes positively to the section, be it with well written posts, amusing posts or interesting posts, receive the competition winner's VIP that is currently in use on the Seacat5 account. Obviously the colour and name would have to be changed to suit the situation but it seems like a worthwhile reward. I believe I suggested it to MAD about a month ago but haven't heard much of it since, I'll have to pester him when he (and I!) gets back and point him towards this thread.

Although sods law says nvr has already done something about it and I've wasted the last 10 minutes typing the response :P

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Originally Posted by Professor-Alex

Firstly, I'd like to thank you Alice for your continued good attitude and approach to problems and solutions, it really makes a nice change :)



I can answer this one purely from a personal perspective because its the way I like to do things and think its most fair. Except in the case of spammers and the obvious rulebreakers, I ALWAYS give some sort of final warning PM before manually banning someone. There will probably be a few members in this forum who've received one from me and can testify to that. They often contain sentences such as "continuing to do xyz will earn you a caution, if not worse punishment." That way, if they choose to ignore it and carry on doing what they were doing, they deserve the ban and knew what they were getting themselves into. Other members of the smod+ team do things slightly different to the way I do, but that's their lookout. It may take about 5 minutes longer of my time but it avoids situations like Neversoft's and Nemo's, presuming they weren't PMd prior to the bans (I know no details of the situation so I'm not really in a position to comment).

But I seem to have digressed. Your idea of rewarding positive contributors was actually suggested to me a while ago by, of all people, Coldplay. He suggested that moderators select someone in their section each month (they're encouraged to post and interact so they get to know people's attitudes fairly well) who contributes positively to the section, be it with well written posts, amusing posts or interesting posts, receive the competition winner's VIP that is currently in use on the Seacat5 account. Obviously the colour and name would have to be changed to suit the situation but it seems like a worthwhile reward. I believe I suggested it to MAD about a month ago but haven't heard much of it since, I'll have to pester him when he (and I!) gets back and point him towards this thread.

Although sods law says nvr has already done something about it and I've wasted the last 10 minutes typing the response :P

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Ok, I'm not looking to start WWIII again but why did I receieve a PM warning me about my behaviour and not them? Surely infractions and warnings should have been dished out. Maybe you could suggest to management giving out final warnings (like you did to me) in some situations.

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Originally Posted by sierk

I see your point about giving a second chance, but I do believe that most members with a permanent ban can create a new account, and get a second chance that way.

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Why not give them a second chance on their original account instead? If they are behaving on the new account, that means they have learnt their lesson and would behave on the original account too. If not, then auto ban?

If the offence is serious, no final warning is needed, basically. If you're stacking up infractions slowly and haven't been caught by autoban yet, then a final warning is helpful.

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Originally Posted by Elkaa

If the offence is serious, no final warning is needed, basically. If you're stacking up infractions slowly and haven't been caught by autoban yet, then a final warning is helpful.

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I personally think you should be warned before you get permed. For example I was permed on 2 cautions which were both expired just for doing one thing wrong - and it wasn't like major serious.

Maybe use 1 year bans instead of permananent bans. Most people would mature by then (hopefully).

Thats a bit long though, like 2 months would be ok.

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Originally Posted by nvrspk4

Sorry Alice I've been mad busy trying to organize the Habbo BB stuff :P Plus, most of what needed to be said was said IMO.

Although I don't agree that all longtime forum members should be unbanned after good behavior. Those banned for Rudeness or Constant rulebreaking who are judged to have contributed to the forum in the past maybe after 6 months get a probation. But if they come back on another account and cause trouble that probation offer is null and void.

A month's VIP for those who present good constructive ideas would indeed be a good addition.

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Thanks for replying letters ;)

I hadn't thought of that, maybe it's something Management could discuss. Six months on another account is long enough to monitor to see if they deserve a second chance on their main account, nice idea :)

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Originally Posted by Professor-Alex

Firstly, I'd like to thank you Alice for your continued good attitude and approach to problems and solutions, it really makes a nice change :)



I can answer this one purely from a personal perspective because its the way I like to do things and think its most fair. Except in the case of spammers and the obvious rulebreakers, I ALWAYS give some sort of final warning PM before manually banning someone. There will probably be a few members in this forum who've received one from me and can testify to that. They often contain sentences such as "continuing to do xyz will earn you a caution, if not worse punishment." That way, if they choose to ignore it and carry on doing what they were doing, they deserve the ban and knew what they were getting themselves into. Other members of the smod+ team do things slightly different to the way I do, but that's their lookout. It may take about 5 minutes longer of my time but it avoids situations like Neversoft's and Nemo's, presuming they weren't PMd prior to the bans (I know no details of the situation so I'm not really in a position to comment).

But I seem to have digressed. Your idea of rewarding positive contributors was actually suggested to me a while ago by, of all people, Coldplay. He suggested that moderators select someone in their section each month (they're encouraged to post and interact so they get to know people's attitudes fairly well) who contributes positively to the section, be it with well written posts, amusing posts or interesting posts, receive the competition winner's VIP that is currently in use on the Seacat5 account. Obviously the colour and name would have to be changed to suit the situation but it seems like a worthwhile reward. I believe I suggested it to MAD about a month ago but haven't heard much of it since, I'll have to pester him when he (and I!) gets back and point him towards this thread.

Although sods law says nvr has already done something about it and I've wasted the last 10 minutes typing the response :P

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Hi Alex :)

I'm glad you take the time to give a final warning, 5 minutes isn't a lot, and if a member had that warning, then they have absolutely no reason to complain after if they are permanently banned.

My idea was based on more of a good deed, a contribution that get's recognised and used, like the spoiler tags as an example. Spoilers are a good example, (I shall have to find some more examples) as many have benefitted from it and it's in use here on the forum. Coldplay's idea is very different, and I don't wish to offend anyone, but it's more like a teacher rewarding good behaviour and handing out merits ;) So I don't think you can really compare the two :P

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Originally Posted by Elkaa

If the offence is serious, no final warning is needed, basically. If you're stacking up infractions slowly and haven't been caught by autoban yet, then a final warning is helpful.

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Mr Elkaa, totally agree with that, it's fair :)