General Election ~ Should one be called now?

Actually Frodo both the French and the Dutch had referendums on the reform of the European Union so don't try and twist my words, the Consitition and the Libson Treaty are the exact same (EU supporters have said it themselves) minus a badge and emblem. Nice try attempting to twist my words.

ifuseekamy has it spot on, who asked these people to govern us and create over 75% of our laws yet they are unelected? - nobody did. I genuinely believe the European Union is no more democratic than the former Soviet Union.

..noth had spineless parliaments with no real power and both ruled from the top, unelected and not wanted by the people.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Actually Frodo both the French and the Dutch had referendums on the reform of the European Union so don't try and twist my words, the Consitition and the Libson Treaty are the exact same (EU supporters have said it themselves) minus a badge and emblem. Nice try attempting to twist my words.

ifuseekamy has it spot on, who asked these people to govern us and create over 75% of our laws yet they are unelected? - nobody did. I genuinely believe the European Union is no more democratic than the former Soviet Union.

..noth had spineless parliaments with no real power and both ruled from the top, unelected and not wanted by the people.

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Why does he have it spot on? We just voted for our MEP's who are now going to serve a term in office til the next European Elections so no we dont have "unelected people" dictating how our country is run. And the SOVIET UNION LOL. yea the EU is secretly putting millions of people into work camps and killing them off.

Seriously please learn about the EU.

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Originally Posted by LuketheDuke

Why does he have it spot on? We just voted for our MEP's who are now going to serve a term in office til the next European Elections so no we dont have "unelected people" dictating how our country is run. And the SOVIET UNION LOL. yea the EU is secretly putting millions of people into work camps and killing them off.

Seriously please learn about the EU.

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It is the top of the EU which has the real power and the parliament has limited powers. Oh indeed it seems far fetched but both never asked the people if they wanted it and both have shams of a parliament that holds no real power.

We are not talking about killing camps we are talking about the systems of the political unions, which are similar. Do not try to move the subject away from the fact their political systems are similar by mentioning other issues which have nothing to do with it.

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Originally Posted by LuketheDuke

Why does he have it spot on? We just voted for our MEP's who are now going to serve a term in office til the next European Elections so no we dont have "unelected people" dictating how our country is run. And the SOVIET UNION LOL. yea the EU is secretly putting millions of people into work camps and killing them off.

Seriously please learn about the EU.

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Talk about avoiding the topic which is just blatently true... I don't want the European Union full stop, I'd support anyone who will remove us from the EU and I'd even go further to say I'd even vote the BNP if they were promising us that. Sadly with politicians, a promise is just a shallow way of saying, "We might do it, we might not do it". No guarantees... :(

I agree with ifuseekamy, I never even knew the EU existed until 2008/2009, it came out of bloody nowhere and is suddenly shoving all this legislation into the British nation's faces. I mean if the government were to introduce what the EU introduce, all hell would break loose. I don't see the appeal of it, honestly. Why can't countries be united by their own similiar aims in their societies, instead of having to be put into this group where laws are forced so they HAVE to meet similiar aims?

I don't think the EU does much for anyone really, it's a bit of a crap deal. >.>

Yes we did ask for the EU, we had a referendum on it in the 70's.

It is an independent organisation seperate from our own parliament that discusses broad based policy for the good of the EU. Why else have the pound and euro remained so strong in this crisis, because of negotiated pre planned trading that keeps both currencies afloat and efficient. I like the sound of that.

And you are being a sensationalist when you compare the EU to the Soviet Union and its probably quite offensive too when you consider the hardship many went through being involved in such a regime.

Can you do something else when you read the Daily Mail? Maybe try reading Fred Bassett rather their featured spun articles.

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Originally Posted by LuketheDuke

Why does he have it spot on? We just voted for our MEP's who are now going to serve a term in office til the next European Elections so no we dont have "unelected people" dictating how our country is run. And the SOVIET UNION LOL. yea the EU is secretly putting millions of people into work camps and killing them off.

Seriously please learn about the EU.

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Just saying that it's pointless, which is pretty true. Why do we need a "European Union"? We existed fine for decades without one. To me it just seems like an excuse for power hungry bureaucrats to get what they want by enforcing legislations on how bendy a vegetable is or the diameter of an apple and acting as if it's for the greater good.

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Originally Posted by Pyroka

Talk about avoiding the topic which is just blatently true... I don't want the European Union full stop, I'd support anyone who will remove us from the EU and I'd even go further to say I'd even vote the BNP if they were promising us that. Sadly with politicians, a promise is just a shallow way of saying, "We might do it, we might not do it". No guarantees... :(

I agree with ifuseekamy, I never even knew the EU existed until 2008/2009, it came out of bloody nowhere and is suddenly shoving all this legislation into the British nation's faces. I mean if the government were to introduce what the EU introduce, all hell would break loose. I don't see the appeal of it, honestly. Why can't countries be united by their own similiar aims in their societies, instead of having to be put into this group where laws are forced so they HAVE to meet similiar aims?

I don't think the EU does much for anyone really, it's a bit of a crap deal. >.>

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Pyroka for PM.

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Originally Posted by LuketheDuke

Yes we did ask for the EU, we had a referendum on it in the 70's.

It is an independent organisation seperate from our own parliament that discusses broad based policy for the good of the EU. Why else have the pound and euro remained so strong in this crisis, because of negotiated pre planned trading that keeps both currencies afloat and efficient. I like the sound of that.

And you are being a sensationalist when you compare the EU to the Soviet Union and its probably quite offensive too when you consider the hardship many went through being involved in such a regime.

Can you do something else when you read the Daily Mail? Maybe try reading Fred Bassett rather their featured spun articles.

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That was not the European Union, that was the EEC which was a economic union and not a political union, again nice attempt at trying to make me look stupid however its just flown back onto you because they are not the same things.

Independant organisation - exactly. We elect our parliament for our country, we do not want over 75% of our laws being made by an unelected independant body. Why can you not understand this?

No it is not offensive, you dodged the question fair and square. I am not talking about the prison camps or crimes against humanity, I am talking about how similar the two unions political systems are. You ignored this point and are carrying on about how it is possibly offensive, yet again avoiding my points.

Why keep bringing up the Daily Mail? - is that the only thing you people can manage to say to me, if so then how boring is it getting now. I am here making my discussion and putting my point of view across, so how about you confront my point of view instead of mentioning the Daily Mail every five seconds?. I could easily say to you all to go and read the Guardian or some other liberal/left wing newspaper but I refuse to because I want a real discussion.

Look the EU formulate what happens with economical affairs in Europe, these clauses are ratified in treaties such as the Lisbon Treaty which puts the cogs into motion.

We had our chance to vote for MEP's and they champion British interests so if you don't like it ask why hardly anyone turned out to vote. After all these people vote on what goes into stuff like the LT.

And the argument that we worked for years without it is valid, but we've been part of the EU for nearly 40 years now and everything seems to have gone OK.

And stop rabbiting on about the Soviet Union being comparable to the EU, did the USSR have a court of human rights or elections every 5 years?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

If there was an amazing fanbase for the European Union then why won't the governments across Europe hold referendums?, more to the point why is the European Union making the Republic of Ireland vote again?

The word 'no' just doesn't seem to register with eurocrats.

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Sorry if we moved on from this, but I didnt read the rest as I don't care. But I never implied there was an amazing fanbase for it, I said that Im for the EU so you can't use the phrase "nobody wants it" as there still are people who do.

Nobody means nobody, nobody doesn't mean the minority want it!

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Originally Posted by LuketheDuke

Look the EU formulate what happens with economical affairs in Europe, these clauses are ratified in treaties such as the Lisbon Treaty which puts the cogs into motion.

We had our chance to vote for MEP's and they champion British interests so if you don't like it ask why hardly anyone turned out to vote. After all these people vote on what goes into stuff like the LT.

And the argument that we worked for years without it is valid, but we've been part of the EU for nearly 40 years now and everything seems to have gone OK.

And stop rabbiting on about the Soviet Union being comparable to the EU, did the USSR have a court of human rights or elections every 5 years?

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No excuse me, why should we have to elect British people to defend us in a foreign organisation which makes over 75% of our laws?. It was a low turnout as elections usually are a low turnout and when you have partys such as Labour promising referendums then breaking their promises its no wonder why people don't bother to vote. Besides, the French and Dutch voted no and the second time around their governments didn't give them a say as they knew it would be voted down again, the Irish voted it down once and they are being made to vote again until they 'get it right' - so really it makes you think whats the point.

We have gone without the European Union for around 960 years before the last fourty years, also the fact still remains that fourty years ago we signed up to the EEC and not the European Union.

The Soviet Union did have parliamentary elections just like the European Union, and just like the European Union the top of the hierarchy was unelected; so I will not stop 'rabbiting' on, maybe you should start confronting the discussion head on in future instead of bringing crimes against humanity into the subject which had nothing at all to do with the issue.

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Originally Posted by Sammeth.

Sorry if we moved on from this, but I didnt read the rest as I don't care. But I never implied there was an amazing fanbase for it, I said that Im for the EU so you can't use the phrase "nobody wants it" as there still are people who do.

Nobody means nobody, nobody doesn't mean the minority want it!

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Obviously some people will vote for it and some people want it, and overall nobody wants it as that is what referendums and opinion polls across Europe have shown us. If the people of Europe were given a choice tommorow the EU wouldn't exist the day after - simple as that.