BNP-Military row continues

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Originally Posted by alexxxxx

Right. The Military have complained to the government in an official manner about the state of what they have been given. That happened. It isn't relevant. Some ex-officers have expressed their displeasure of war images being used by the BNP. The police have a duty to make sure that each member of the community is dealt with equally. If the police decide independently that they think that the BNP goes further than being a political party in the traditional sense and more into a racist movement or if they think that their beliefs will hinder their job, then it is for them to decide. Not you, not me.

It isn't bullying the BNP. The BNP get chances in the media to express their true colours via the BBC, where they have been guests on many programmes in the past, newspapers and the like. I thought that the media most consumed by the people is what they like and expresses their thoughts like how alot of media is anti-eu. Or is your complaining about how they don't get fair treatment valid as it is something you support (ie the BNP). I don't know the specifics, but labour were very socialist at points in their history. It happened. The BNP are alot newer than the labour party and their background is quite rightly being exposed.

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They may be ex-officers, however they should keep their political neutrality as equal as possible, Labour is not being slammed for sending young men and women into war without, the correct equipment, why have these generals not got all that much to say on that issue?

On the police issue which was totally ignored, that just shows that people who support other parties such as the BNP are persecuted and can lose their job because of their beliefs which do not hinder with their job practice. If a BNP supporter/UKIP supporter/Labour supporter/Conservative supporter/Communist Party supporter allows their political party to intefere with their work, then yes they should be disiplined - but for simply appearing on the BNP membership list should never be a sackable offence, that is not democracy.

I do not support the BNP, I find it quite strange how you ignored totally what I said before and continue to imply that I support the BNP. I am not complaining about the newspapers, more so the way that the BNP were excluded from Question Time programmes before they won seats and the way that any BNP issue is reported fully blown on the news without the BNP being allowed to protest properly, I admit though that it does seem to be changing as it is only for so long that the media will be able to hold off in this way as the BNP base continues to grow.

On the background issue, why is it that the holocaust issue is always brought up and Nick Griffin is described a Nazi-supporter (despite him being against the Nazis) yet Labour MPs' who supported one of the most evil states the world has ever seen as recently as the 1980s' are allowed to go untouched by their pasts, most of which still claim to be socialists despite owning massive housing empires, meeting with billionares, being involved in fraud and happily signing up to the EU gravy train for pay well into a six-figure pay sum of which they all opposed many years ago.

..just look at dear old Tony, already made millions and is going on to become European President (oh and he also had his expenses 'accidently' shreaded) yet all those years ago claimed to be a socialist and that he was for the people - why is this never mentioned by mainstream news?

That is why I eagerly am waiting for Nick Griffin on Question Time, it will certainly be funny watching Jack Straw (who fiddled his expenses) lecturing Nick Griffin on morals and on what the British people want.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

They may be ex-officers, however they should keep their political neutrality as equal as possible, Labour is not being slammed for sending young men and women into war without, the correct equipment, why have these generals not got all that much to say on that issue?

On the police issue which was totally ignored, that just shows that people who support other parties such as the BNP are persecuted and can lose their job because of their beliefs which do not hinder with their job practice. If a BNP supporter/UKIP supporter/Labour supporter/Conservative supporter/Communist Party supporter allows their political party to intefere with their work, then yes they should be disiplined - but for simply appearing on the BNP membership list should never be a sackable offence, that is not democracy.

I do not support the BNP, I find it quite strange how you ignored totally what I said before and continue to imply that I support the BNP. I am not complaining about the newspapers, more so the way that the BNP were excluded from Question Time programmes before they won seats and the way that any BNP issue is reported fully blown on the news without the BNP being allowed to protest properly, I admit though that it does seem to be changing as it is only for so long that the media will be able to hold off in this way as the BNP base continues to grow.

On the background issue, why is it that the holocaust issue is always brought up and Nick Griffin is described a Nazi-supporter (despite him being against the Nazis) yet Labour MPs' who supported one of the most evil states the world has ever seen as recently as the 1980s' are allowed to go untouched by their pasts, most of which still claim to be socialists despite owning massive housing empires, meeting with billionares, being involved in fraud and happily signing up to the EU gravy train for pay well into a six-figure pay sum of which they all opposed many years ago.

..just look at dear old Tony, already made millions and is going on to become European President (oh and he also had his expenses 'accidently' shreaded) yet all those years ago claimed to be a socialist and that he was for the people - why is this never mentioned by mainstream news?

That is why I eagerly am waiting for Nick Griffin on Question Time, it will certainly be funny watching Jack Straw (who fiddled his expenses) lecturing Nick Griffin on morals and on what the British people want.

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I recon you've got one of these:
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/images/1369_387.jpg

who would actually want to be seen with one of those?

not only will you have eggs chucked at your house on halloween, you will have eggs chucked at your house everyday of the year!

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Originally Posted by alexxxxx

I recon you've got one of these:
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/news/images/1369_387.jpg

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That all you have to say?

..so because i'm defending free speech and pointing out the hypocrisy of Labour and co. i'm a member and supporter of the BNP am I? - what a view you take. I gave the example of the police officer being punished for being a member of a democratically elected and legal party yet you totally ignored it.

I could reply with some pictures taken from the socialist dictatorships of the USSR, North Korea, Cuba and so on, but they'd probably be too gory and disgusting for the forum.

I have absolutely no time for the BNP or their policies.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

That all you have to say?

..so because i'm defending free speech and pointing out the hypocrisy of Labour and co. i'm a member and supporter of the BNP am I? - what a view you take. I gave the example of the police officer being punished for being a member of a democratically elected and legal party yet you totally ignored it.

I could reply with some pictures taken from the socialist dictatorships of the USSR, North Korea, Cuba and so on, but they'd probably be too gory and disgusting for the forum.

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you haven't pointed out any hypocrisy at all. and tbh, you've steered this whole ridiculous debate off the main point of your article about how unfairly the BNP are portrayed in the media.

come out of the bnp closet: you are a bnp supporter

i couldn't care less about the USSR, i don't support communism nor do i support the labour party.

you're very boring.

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Originally Posted by alexxxxx

you haven't pointed out any hypocrisy at all. and tbh, you've steered this whole ridiculous debate off the main point of your article about how unfairly the BNP are portrayed in the media.

come out of the bnp closet: you are a bnp supporter

i couldn't care less about the USSR, i don't support communism nor do i support the labour party.

you're very boring.

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1) I do not agree with the extent of the BNPs' immigration policy;

• I do not agree that immigration policy should be made on colour.
• I do not think everybody who is coloured/is of a different race should be thrown out of this country.
• I do not believe all immigration should be stopped.
• I do not believe that multi-culturalism cannot work, although I think it is not working at its present point.

2) I think the party has a lot of thugs in it.

3) I do not agree with the BNP wanting to withdraw from NATO.

4) I do not agree with the BNP wanting to close down trade links

5) I do not agree with the BNP that industry should be nationalised.

6) I do not agree with the BNP on the language some of them have used.

7) I do not agree with the BNP and its socialist outlook.

The point of the debate was that I was pointing out that the military seem to care far more about keeping pressure on the BNP by criticising the BNP for using military images (which they are entitled to use) yet will not criticise Labour so strongly like they have with the BNP when Labour were the party who sent our young men and women into war without the correct equipment or armour, and are still not sending our troops there with correct armour.

I support fairness, democracy and as you know very well I support UKIP fully and the Conservatives partially aswell, so me supporting the BNP would mean I am supporting both right-wing and left-wing policies at the same time, making me a hypocrite.

In future don't go making false claims by trying to link me to the BNP just because I may partially agree with them that we need action on immigration (although not in the way they say it) - if i'm racist for that, the whole world is racist as the whole world has common sense immigration/illegal immigration policies in place.