Ethnic Minorities - What do you think

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Originally Posted by SauravG

India once used to be the richest country in the world and then UK took over so anyone who moans ASIANS STEAL BENEFITS need to shut up and look at the fact that they have robbed so many countries.

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Wrong.

On the topic itself, I don't mind immigration at all as long its controlled and it works. By this I mean;

• Nobody with a criminal record is allowed in the United Kingdom.
• Police and Border Forces have complete control over the system.
• Nobody whos skills we do not require is allowed in the United Kingdom.
• Local communities are prevented from turning into racial ghettos, as that defeats the point of multi-culturalism.
• The British peoples opinions are take note of.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Wrong.

On the topic itself, I don't mind immigration at all as long its controlled and it works. By this I mean;

• Nobody with a criminal record is allowed in the United Kingdom.
• Police and Border Forces have complete control over the system.
• Nobody whos skills we do not require is allowed in the United Kingdom.
• Local communities are prevented from turning into racial ghettos, as that defeats the point of multi-culturalism.
• The British peoples opinions are take note of.

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Care to explain which bit is wrong? Because India was the richest country once and UK did invade it? Saying "Wrong" on it's own is a bit pointless :S.

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Originally Posted by SauravG

Care to explain which bit is wrong? Because India was the richest country once and UK did invade it? Saying "Wrong" on it's own is a bit pointless :S.

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India was not a country, India before British rule was a sub-continent with a few Empires all fighting for control. India was not rich, and neither was Great Qing which was the neighbouring Empire (now China). Asia had not undergone any industrial transformation, and like Africa was backward and closed to the world.

..so why did the British Empire colonise India?

At a time when the two rising world powers (Britain and France) were fighting for land, India was a vast land with many resources. It was clear that the Empires that existed in India and across Asia were near collapse, and that it was only a matter of time before European Nations colonised it. It was basically, us or them. We chose us.

What did the British Raj and British Burma do for Asia?

It opened Asia up to global markets, allowing trade to give the people of Asia hope and to develop. The British also built railways, roads, hospitals, houses, offices and introduced cars and all sorts of other stuff. What is differenet from the British Empire to the Spanish Empire, French Empire and Dutch Empire is the fact that we actually invested back into our colonies, thats why now you see more British monuments/culture surviving in Asia and Africa than any other European country and that is why the British Empire was so successful.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

India was not a country, India before British rule was a sub-continent with a few Empires all fighting for control. India was not rich, and neither was Great Qing which was the neighbouring Empire (now China). Asia had not undergone any industrial transformation, and like Africa was backward and closed to the world.

..so why did the British Empire colonise India?

At a time when the two rising world powers (Britain and France) were fighting for land, India was a vast land with many resources. It was clear that the Empires that existed in India and across Asia were near collapse, and that it was only a matter of time before European Nations colonised it. It was basically, us or them. We chose us.

What did the British Raj and British Burma do for Asia?

It opened Asia up to global markets, allowing trade to give the people of Asia hope and to develop. The British also built railways, roads, hospitals, houses, offices and introduced cars and all sorts of other stuff. What is differenet from the British Empire to the Spanish Empire, French Empire and Dutch Empire is the fact that we actually invested back into our colonies, thats why now you see more British monuments/culture surviving in Asia and Africa than any other European country and that is why the British Empire was so successful.

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I think you should read this:
http://answers.google.com/answers/th...id/431985.html

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Originally Posted by Tash.

I agree with what you've said there, but the examples you've given of things changing are often implemented by busybodies at the local councils. They aren't often implemented as a result of the ethnic minorities themselves complaining so it's hardly their fault that the councils are petrified of insulting other religions.

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So true, quite a large majority of minority religions and groups don't want things changed. Two years ago when they brought up this idea of scrapping Christmas and merely calling it Winterval (yuck), or getting rid of seasonal christmas cards, alot of muslims admitted they didn't give a hoot, and are in full support of Christmas because, and I quote for a young muslim part of a group "It teaches people things our religion doesn't" - such as sharing, togetherness and so forth.

The name Christmas isn't widely considered a "Christian" name, people have just gone with the name because it's well-known and a large majority of people went with it. Changing it now would be stupid, like changing the name of a famous UK city or county.

Anyway, I'm not bothered about ethnic minorities, you get bad ones and you get worse ones that supposedly have more "right" in this country. Heck, the NHS is full of ethnic minority doctors who do a very good job, and are just as good as english speaking doctors who are wrinkly and white. Infact, the surgeon I talked to did a better job, he actually described what was wrong with me in full :P

It's a bit sad that, the select few minorities within the minority spoil it for the rest, when you're meant to single out the bad and focus on the good.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

So true, quite a large majority of minority religions and groups don't want things changed. Two years ago when they brought up this idea of scrapping Christmas and merely calling it Winterval (yuck), or getting rid of seasonal christmas cards, alot of muslims admitted they didn't give a hoot, and are in full support of Christmas because, and I quote for a young muslim part of a group "It teaches people things our religion doesn't" - such as sharing, togetherness and so forth.

The name Christmas isn't widely considered a "Christian" name, people have just gone with the name because it's well-known and a large majority of people went with it. Changing it now would be stupid, like changing the name of a famous UK city or county.

Anyway, I'm not bothered about ethnic minorities, you get bad ones and you get worse ones that supposedly have more "right" in this country. Heck, the NHS is full of ethnic minority doctors who do a very good job, and are just as good as english speaking doctors who are wrinkly and white. Infact, the surgeon I talked to did a better job, he actually described what was wrong with me in full :P

It's a bit sad that, the select few minorities within the minority spoil it for the rest, when you're meant to single out the bad and focus on the good.

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I think that is a very good post.
I don't think any Ethnic Minority should ever try and change the culture here.

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Originally Posted by SauravG

I think you should read this:
http://answers.google.com/answers/th...id/431985.html

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If you are talking that far back, then yes, you are right. However India was not colonised properly until 1800+ when it was a poor nation compared to the rest of the world. I really do not see your point, just because something was the richest country in the world 800 years before colonisation does not mean it was poor during colonisation. 'India' was poor, otherwise it would of been able to resist imperialism.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

If you are talking that far back, then yes, you are right. However India was not colonised properly until 1800+ when it was a poor nation compared to the rest of the world. I really do not see your point, just because something was the richest country in the world 800 years before colonisation does not mean it was poor during colonisation. 'India' was poor, otherwise it would of been able to resist imperialism.

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No, I simply linked you to it as you seemed interested in History. :)
But you are right, 800 years is a big difference. Still, I do not think people here should go "They steal benefits" when its a small minority. Actually in my 9 years here, I have only seen 1 asian steal benefits.

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Originally Posted by SauravG

No, I simply linked you to it as you seemed interested in History. :)
But you are right, 800 years is a big difference. Still, I do not think people here should go "They steal benefits" when its a small minority. Actually in my 9 years here, I have only seen 1 asian steal benefits.

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While benefits are a big problem, crime is more so. We have allowed unlimited numbers of people into this country - you only have to look at the news to see that a lot of the time, when a crime is reported on - it is a ethnic minority who are the offenders. That isn't racist, its just what is wrong with the whole system.

On the British Empire, the left will always try and convince you we were the evil colonisers, but if you look into it, it did so much good and virtually sacraficed itself to defend the free world against the Third Reich.

I actually disagree, when I read the news(papers) every morning, I see more white people being reported.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8391098.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8391187.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/8392004.stm

Out of the 10 most read stories on BBC right now, there are 3 regarding crime and all 3 seem to be reporting white people.