Security alert on Heathrow Airport plane

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Anyone cannot be a terrorist, as we all know; terrorists tend to be from Africa or the Middle East - if not and born here in the west, they still have roots back in Africa/the Middle East and are mainly (modern) from the Islamic relgion. Enough of this political correctness.

What we need to do is have better searches on people depending on their nationality, just like Israel does. A elderly British grandmother is not going to be a terrorist, whereas a young-Pakistani man is far more likely to pose a threat.

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So if i make a bomb and go to the airport intent on using it I'm not a terrorist? Yes certain people from ethnic backgrounds are more likely to be a terrorist than many people in this country but anyone can still be a terrorist. At an airport everyone is treated the same unless they arouse suspicion or are believed to be a threat.

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Originally Posted by Myke

the country decided it wanted to be multi ethnic, it is, in one way or another "our fault", that would be the case if we were asked if we wanted to be multi ethnic, were we asked? no. so it's the governments fault that in the words of you "people are just here for the moniez"

if people react with terrorism because they don't like the way the country is ran, then that's their problem. they chose to be here. you don't see these problems in places such as, idk, say russia, because they're not striving to become a multi ethnic society.

that's just the way i see it. idk. i have no idea how my post here relates to terrorism, but, ok.

this is my way of seeing the problem with "moniez"...

in the end it boils down to politics, i hate politics. :) it's difficult.

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Thank you, hit the nail on the head. The majority of this country don't have a problem with proper, controlled immigration - but what we have now is far from it.

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Originally Posted by Tash.

I don't care if they had a bomb on them at the time or not, you don't board an aeroplane nowadays and threaten to detonate a bomb, it's an idiotic thing to do. They could easily have had a bomb, and the fact that it turned out they didn't won't have been any consolation to those people who were on board that plane when it happened. They'll have been scared nonetheless. I stick by what I said, this shows anyone of any race, colour, religion, nationality, age or gender can be a terrorist and therefore every single person should be checked. If you have nothing to hide you should embrace this as a measure to keep you and everyone else safe from madmen who want to kill you. A bit of time to be searched is the least you can give to ensure you keep your life.

Oh and not searching little old women? Oh yes, lets make all those elderly people targets for devices to be planted on them why don't we :rolleyes:

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It doesn't show anyone can be a terrorist, they got through security bomb-less and didn't have a bomb anyway. The likelyhood is that they were drunk, so no it doesn't show anyone can be a terrorist, it shows anyone can get pissed and do a stupid thing which gets them in a lot of trouble.

On older people, oh please. Aren't you yourself all for the open borders this government promotes? - if so, then please don't preach security to me.

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Originally Posted by Sergio

I'd rather not give into terrorism. Just because there have been recent bomb scares doesn't make it more likely for a bomb to go off at this time. A bomb can be planted and detonated at any time in the future. If you alter your life because of these people, then you're letting them win.

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Thank you, why should our civil liberties be sacrificed? - the answer is that they shouldn't ever be sacrificed, what was the point in hundreds of years of British history from the Magna Carta which developed early freedom and democracy, only to throw it away in a matter of years - especially when we have a government which has no control over its own borders.

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Originally Posted by MattGarner

Wrong. Anyone can be a terrorist in this country. All they have to do is learn how to do some things and believe. Anyway, making bomb threats in pubic is one big silly thing to do. Especially when people can hear it and then things have to be delayed while Police come and arrest them etc etc.

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Oh I must of missed the latest Taliban-Granny bombers.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Thank you, hit the nail on the head. The majority of this country don't have a problem with proper, controlled immigration - but what we have now is far from it.



It doesn't show anyone can be a terrorist, they got through security bomb-less and didn't have a bomb anyway. The likelyhood is that they were drunk, so no it doesn't show anyone can be a terrorist, it shows anyone can get pissed and do a stupid thing which gets them in a lot of trouble.

On older people, oh please. Aren't you yourself all for the open borders this government promotes? - if so, then please don't preach security to me.



Thank you, why should our civil liberties be sacrificed? - the answer is that they shouldn't ever be sacrificed, what was the point in hundreds of years of British history from the Magna Carta which developed early freedom and democracy, only to throw it away in a matter of years - especially when we have a government which has no control over its own borders.



Oh I must of missed the latest Taliban-Granny bombers.

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They can be forced you know? All they have to do is strap bombs or whatever to the person and then they are a suicidal bomber. Anyone can do it, I'm sorry but it’s true. It might not be the main terrorists we see at the moment but it can happen.

I see your point, and they could think along the lines of ''shes 70, shes gonna die soon she might aswell help us -straps bomb-''

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Originally Posted by Alkaz

I see your point, and they could think along the lines of ''shes 70, shes gonna die soon she might aswell help us -straps bomb-''

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It's possible. If they know they aren't going to search them, they could easily do some plans to make sure they by-pass it like they do. If they want to cause damage, they will do anything they can. We can prevent it with these new scanners but the threat will always be there.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Anyone cannot be a terrorist, as we all know; terrorists tend to be from Africa or the Middle East - if not and born here in the west, they still have roots back in Africa/the Middle East and are mainly (modern) from the Islamic relgion. Enough of this political correctness.

What we need to do is have better searches on people depending on their nationality, just like Israel does. A elderly British grandmother is not going to be a terrorist, whereas a young-Pakistani man is far more likely to pose a threat.

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Of course anybody can be a terrorist. The Taliban and Al Qaeda aren't the only terrorist networks in the world, ever heard of the IRA or other CHRISTIAN fundamentalist groups who BOMB PEOPLE or CAUSE TERROR, this making them TERRORISTS.

Your stereotypical attitude is absolutely despicable.

You need to do some research into fundamentalism because at the end of the day it was white Christians who were militant way before Islamic fundamentalism came about. Stop wasting your breath spurting out media indoctrinated garbage and go find some facts.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

It doesn't show anyone can be a terrorist, they got through security bomb-less and didn't have a bomb anyway. The likelyhood is that they were drunk, so no it doesn't show anyone can be a terrorist, it shows anyone can get pissed and do a stupid thing which gets them in a lot of trouble.

On older people, oh please. Aren't you yourself all for the open borders this government promotes? - if so, then please don't preach security to me.

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Yes it does. You nor I know what these 3 people meant when they did this, you don't know they were drunk, you don't know their politics and you don't know their issues.

What does open borders have to do with me saying that elderly people not being searched makes them susceptible to having bombs planted on them? Nothing thats what. You know i'm right so you divert this onto a different issue and it's not washing with me. Your views are becoming midly prejudice so i'd really watch what you write.

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Originally Posted by Alkaz

If this country didnt look so delicious to people from difficult countries then they wouldnt be here. Its to do with money, free NHS etc etc. Its a massive kick in the teeth when they do come here, claim everything and then blow us up. How about that man who hates England, hes been here for years and claims something like £30,000 a year in benefits, how ******* wrong is that. We've become so namby pamby about things, its our country, we need to take it back and if these 'terrorists' or what ever dont like it and want to do something, kill them.

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no. that is wrong. you're ASSUMING that people who come here from other countries are ALL going to blow us up.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Oh I must of missed the latest Taliban-Granny bombers.

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I really hope that we never have people with similar beliefs to you running any country. Because if we did, there would be planes dropping from the sky everyday.
What you are doing is creating a security flaw. There needs to be the strictest security at airports, we dont need security flaws. Oh look, that kid is a baby but has something which looks like a gun in his hand. Must be a toy, leave it. :rolleyes:

If you do it so you cant search grannies, terrorists will easily slip stuff in their luggage, get on the plane, get it out and bye bye.

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Originally Posted by MattGarner

It's possible. If they know they aren't going to search them, they could easily do some plans to make sure they by-pass it like they do. If they want to cause damage, they will do anything they can. We can prevent it with these new scanners but the threat will always be there.

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The threat is not there, its like right now a terrorist could blow up a bus in Liverpool - anything can happen, the fact is that it hasn't happened and shows no signs on happening. We are surrendering liberty for something which is barely a threat, and the threat is not being helped by this governments refusal to impose any form of control over our own borders.

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Originally Posted by invincible

Of course anybody can be a terrorist. The Taliban and Al Qaeda aren't the only terrorist networks in the world, ever heard of the IRA or other CHRISTIAN fundamentalist groups who BOMB PEOPLE or CAUSE TERROR, this making them TERRORISTS.

Your stereotypical attitude is absolutely despicable.

You need to do some research into fundamentalism because at the end of the day it was white Christians who were militant way before Islamic fundamentalism came about. Stop wasting your breath spurting out media indoctrinated garbage and go find some facts.

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I never said we didn't have Christian terrorists, or another type of terrorist so do not put words in my mouth. We right now, live in 2010 and not 1992 - that means that the threat of the IRA has gone, and right now (if you opened your eyes and took some notice) you would wake up and find that we now face islamic extremism and not the IRA.

I NEVER EVER EVER EVER said anything about white christians not being terrorists, I said the threat we face today is from typically African/Middle Eastern young lads who are followers of islamic. I think you need to pull your head out of the sand and just realise this very simple fact instead of going around like a headless chicken who seems determined to make me out to be some racist media-orientated evil facist. I'm not suprised though, because i've been called everything on this forum;

xenophobic because I want to leave the European Union.
racist because I want some form of control over immigration.
homophobic because I don't agree with gay adoption/marriage.

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Originally Posted by Tash.

Yes it does. You nor I know what these 3 people meant when they did this, you don't know they were drunk, you don't know their politics and you don't know their issues.

What does open borders have to do with me saying that elderly people not being searched makes them susceptible to having bombs planted on them? Nothing thats what. You know i'm right so you divert this onto a different issue and it's not washing with me. Your views are becoming midly prejudice so i'd really watch what you write.

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They were most likely drunk and thought it would be funny to shout bomb, or as someone I was with in London a few years ago did; he shouted 'BOMB' as a joke on the Tube and then realised what he'd said although luckily nothing happened. On my views, no sorry - I am not singling anything so do not dare attempt to link me to racism. I'd advise you to watch what you write, don't try and be sneaky by linking me to racism or facism as others have done in the past when there is nothig racist or facist about what I am writing.

I am strongly against racism and facism, and that includes PC facists of which you sadly seem to be falling under increasingly, especially judging by this post.

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Originally Posted by Saurav

I really hope that we never have people with similar beliefs to you running any country. Because if we did, there would be planes dropping from the sky everyday.
What you are doing is creating a security flaw. There needs to be the strictest security at airports, we dont need security flaws. Oh look, that kid is a baby but has something which looks like a gun in his hand. Must be a toy, leave it. :rolleyes:

If you do it so you cant search grannies, terrorists will easily slip stuff in their luggage, get on the plane, get it out and bye bye.

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I really hope we don't have people like you.. oh wait we already do, both in government and the European Union imposing your thoughts and laws on us and even worse, destroying our liberty at a cost which really makes me wonder what we are actually defending. On terrorism itself - you are making it up now as you go along. If a old aged 80 year old pensioner is walking through an airport, is she a potential terrorist threat and does she need to be searched? - no she doesn't.

That is the point I am making, its just common sense.