UKIP to call for a ban on wearing a burka.

But come to think of it, shouldnt the people who wear scarves around there faces and caps be forced to take them off aswell.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

What has that got to do with a burka?

I have just said, I would agree with a ban as AlexOC proposed that is similar to the one they have used on smoking, where smoking is banned in public places. Its very clear-cut.

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Sunglasses obscure the face, so do hoods. Should those be banned too?

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Originally Posted by AlexOC

But come to think of it, shouldnt the people who wear scarves around there faces and caps be forced to take them off aswell.

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Originally Posted by Technologic

Sunglasses obscure the face, so do hoods. Should those be banned too?

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As i was thinking.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

That is an opinion, we are in Britain and not Saudi Arabia and therefore our values must come first and be respected before others. If a man wanted to walk around naked, would that be allowed? - but he could say he wants to because he believes it shows his freedom - but it isn't allowed.

On the second issue, are UKIP proposing a total ban or just a partial ban in public buildings. I support the ban in public buildings fully however as I stated before, I am not fully supportive if a ban everywhere.

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I realise that you don't exactly welcome multiculturism as much as some others, myself I guess, but it doesn't really matter where we are. When you are in Saudi Arabia I doubt you'd be pleased if they forced you to wear something you did not want to, or if they forced you to remove a piece of clothing you considered to be fine. The same applies here. Yes this is the UK, I think we all know this, but why can't we just accept that some people wish to wear a burka? As long as they do nobody any harm I am happy to just leave them alone. The naked comparsion is weak, you wouldn't allow nudity in the streets because that is outraging public decency and is an offence. Wearing a burka does not cause the same kind of offence, and frankly anyone who it does cause offence to needs to re-evaluate their lives because they are being petty. If a referendum was to be allowed on this I can firmly say I would vote to allow them to keep them, I aren't in the business of taking away a persons right to wear something that they feel they need to wear.


Edit; thank you Alex and Technologic, exactly my point.

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Originally Posted by AlexOC

But come to think of it, shouldnt the people who wear scarves around there faces and caps be forced to take them off aswell.

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Originally Posted by Technologic

Sunglasses obscure the face, so do hoods. Should those be banned too?

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Yeah they should, Sunglasses can be debatable as they only cover the eyes but yeah with the caps, if the cap is facing downwards and it is hard to see that persons facial features then yes they should also be banned in public places such as banks.

Let us be a bit sensible here though, burkas are far larger and more-covering than sunglasses, scarves and caps.

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I realise that you don't exactly welcome multiculturism as much as some others, myself I guess, but it doesn't really matter where we are. When you are in Saudi Arabia I doubt you'd be pleased if they forced you to wear something you did not want to, or if they forced you to remove a piece of clothing you considered to be fine. The same applies here. Yes this is the UK, I think we all know this, but why can't we just accept that some people wish to wear a burka? As long as they do nobody any harm I am happy to just leave them alone. The naked comparsion is weak, you wouldn't allow nudity in the streets because that is outraging public decency and is an offence. Wearing a burka does not cause the same kind of offence, and frankly anyone who it does cause offence to needs to re-evaluate their lives because they are being petty. If a referendum was to be allowed on this I can firmly say I would vote to allow them to keep them, I aren't in the business of taking away a persons right to wear something that they feel they need to wear.

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Oh I am welcoming of multi-culturalism, as long as it does not destroy British values and aslong as the are treated the same as we are, and not higher than us. I do accept it, but when we are not allowed to wear a helmet in a bank then neither should a burka be allowed for security reasons.

On the referendum, then you are being unfairly fair to them. Do you think helmets should also be allowed in banks and public buildings then? - but as it is, thats your opinion and you very well may think that and thats your opinion and you are entitled to it, however a referendum should be held because it is fair and just, from whatever side you are for/against.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Yeah they should, Sunglasses can be debatable as they only cover the eyes but yeah with the caps, if the cap is facing downwards and it is hard to see that persons facial features then yes they should also be banned in public places such as banks.

Let us be a bit sensible here though, burkas are far larger and more-covering than sunglasses, scarves and caps.

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I don't agree with sunglasses, but if someone is wearing a cap and a scarf around there face, its covering the same amount of face as a burka.

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Originally Posted by AlexOC

I don't agree with sunglasses, but if someone is wearing a cap and a scarve around there face, its covering the same amount of face as a burka.

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I agree, and that should not be allowed either.

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Let us be a bit sensible here though, burkas are far larger and more-covering than sunglasses, scarves and caps.



Oh I am welcoming of multi-culturalism, as long as it does not destroy British values and aslong as the are treated the same as we are, and not higher than us. I do accept it, but when we are not allowed to wear a helmet in a bank then neither should a burka be allowed for security reasons.

On the referendum, then you are being unfairly fair to them. Do you think helmets should also be allowed in banks and public buildings then? - but as it is, thats your opinion and you very well may think that and thats your opinion and you are entitled to it, however a referendum should be held because it is fair and just, from whatever side you are for/against.

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I don't understand this whole "as long as they don't destroy British values".. values constantly change and as far as I can see right now the only values we have is allowing children and youths to dress up with scarves and hoodies, ride around on their bikes/mopeds and generally raise hell. Not to mention men and women going out and getting blitzed every weekend and embarassing themselves in public. I'm not sure that's something you want to preserve.

No I do not think you should be allowed to wear a helmet in a bank, nor an airport and the same goes with a burka. What I am arguing is that if they want to wear it in a shop or in the street then they may. And no it isn't, like I said earlier it is far from just. Alot of people, and you can say I am underestimating the majority of the british public if you like, will vote against it because they do not understand why women wear them. That is voting based on ignorance and I aren't in favour of something being banned purely on a group of people's prejudices.

And finally, at the bit at the top. Yes Burkas cover more than a scarf and glasses but who cares what they cover? Are you now saying you need to see a persons torso to be sure that they aren't doing something underhand?

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I don't understand this whole "as long as they don't destroy British values".. values constantly change and as far as I can see right now the only values we have is allowing children and youths to dress up with scarves and hoodies, ride around on their bikes/mopeds and generally raise hell. Not to mention men and women going out and getting blitzed every weekend and embarassing themselves in public. I'm not sure that's something you want to preserve.

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No I don't want to preserve that, but I also don't want to replace it with fundemental islamic values and laws and nor do the British people.

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No I do not think you should be allowed to wear a helmet in a bank, nor an airport and the same goes with a burka. What I am arguing is that if they want to wear it in a shop or in the street then they may. And no it isn't, like I said earlier it is far from just. Alot of people, and you can say I am underestimating the majority of the british public if you like, will vote against it because they do not understand why women wear them. That is voting based on ignorance and I aren't in favour of something being banned purely on a group of people's prejudices.

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I agree with you then.

No sorry, again you are denying the people a say because you are basically calling them too stupid to decide what they want. Most people do not read political party manifestos, does that mean elections should also be cancelled? - no it doesn't.

We did not throw down the divine right of kings to be ruled by experts.

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And finally, at the bit at the top. Yes Burkas cover more than a scarf and glasses but who cares what they cover? Are you now saying you need to see a persons torso to be sure that they aren't doing something underhand?

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I thought you agree that they should be banned in banks and so on? - what exactly are you arguing for, I agree with you.

At the end of the day, this is a Protestant/Anglican country, so if Burkhas are upsetting ordinary people then they should be banned in Public, if 'hoodies' are deemed intimidating, so should Burkhas. Beggers belief why they are aloud to be worn in Airports aswell.