Italy to follow France in bid to ban the burqa

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Originally Posted by rihannna

oh ye im a troll :S:S:S great one

umm maybe because its not fair that they are all for banning something from one religion and then wanting the ban overturned on the crucifix


shoud rly google troll m8

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Because it's their country maybe? :S:S:S And lmao, you're actually suggesting other people learn words? LOLOLOL

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Lets put this into perspective. France only proposes it for woman state/government buildings.
http://www.france24.com/en/20100126-...FYGDzAod-gfwfw
Out of interest what reasons are UKIP putting forward to ban it?

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They propose it because anyone wearing a helmet or any other garment which covers the face such as a burqa does would have to remove their headgear when they enter a bank or an airport, so the same should apply to islamic headgear. Ontop of this, the fact a poll recently showed that 70% of the British people agree with a ban I cant see anything more democratic and fair than to do what the British people ask.

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Originally Posted by Oli

Yes but surely someone wearing a balaclava is suspicious, as one of the main things people associate with balaclavas is someone covering themselves up so they can't be seen when committing a crime.

Whereas if you see a woman in a burqa coming towards you, you should just simply think it's a harmless muslim woman with the utmost respect for her Religion.

I know it can appear intimidating but if you think about it rationally, it's only a strictly religious woman underneath it, think of it as a Muslim version of Dot Cotton or Edna Birch.

We need to be accepting of different cultures.

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The burqa is not respectful to islam, the Koran makes no reference to the burqa and it was only ever imposed on women to keep them hidden, a sign of the lower place women had in a country than men. In short, the men owned the women. Therefore as they are not compulsory they are not required for islam.

They need to be accepting of ours.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

They propose it because anyone wearing a helmet or any other garment which covers the face such as a burqa does would have to remove their headgear when they enter a bank or an airport, so the same should apply to islamic headgear. Ontop of this, the fact a poll recently showed that 70% of the British people agree with a ban I cant see anything more democratic and fair than to do what the British people ask.



The burqa is not respectful to islam, the Koran makes no reference to the burqa and it was only ever imposed on women to keep them hidden, a sign of the lower place women had in a country than men. In short, the men owned the women. Therefore as they are not compulsory they are not required for islam.

They need to be accepting of ours.

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Well banning for entering airports, banks etc makes sense. I can see that.

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Originally Posted by Sergio

Because it's their country maybe? :S:S:S And lmao, you're actually suggesting other people learn words? LOLOLOL

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yes i am... and so what if its their country, i dont see why they should discriminate against one religion and not against another

It's not random discrimination. It's a government taking a stand against people wearing intimidating garments within its country. The burqa isn't a religious requirement anyway.

Im in favour of total religious neutrality in the classroom, banning the crucifix and any form of islamic religious dress could be a way in which this goal can be achieved.

I dont know why I have that view, but if opposing religious ideas of morality can be cut out from an early age then maybe we can work towards a multicultural society that actually works in the UK.

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Originally Posted by LuketheDuke

Im in favour of total religious neutrality in the classroom, banning the crucifix and any form of islamic religious dress could be a way in which this goal can be achieved.

I dont know why I have that view, but if opposing religious ideas of morality can be cut out from an early age then maybe we can work towards a multicultural society that actually works in the UK.

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I'm guessing crucifixes are only found in catholic schools and these would be teaching Christian subjects anyway. If you don't want to see religious symbols don't go to religious schools.

The main difference between a burkha and crucifix is a crucifix is actually a religious symbol, can be worn around the neck and is gender neutral. A burkha isn't known to be of any religious background, is sexist and belittling towards women and is a bit bigger than a necklace :P A crucifix won't get in the way in any sort of organisation, as it is just a piece of jewelry at the end of the day. The burkha on the other hand is just in the way, and degrading to women. Women have near-equal rights in the western world and should be treated as such, and the burkha is against this. Some may claim it is a relgious garment, but it's origins revolve around women as possessions, to hide their identity from other men.

At the end of the day though, I only agree with banning it in airports and places of high security. My view on banning it entirely would be counter-productive, as it is commonly known that we are meant to be an open society where people can do anything they please within the law and within reason, and as the burkha is doing no harm it's not that desperate to completely abolish it.

It's a tough subject really :/

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

The main difference between a burkha and crucifix is a crucifix is actually a religious symbol, can be worn around the neck and is gender neutral. A burkha isn't known to be of any religious background, is sexist and belittling towards women and is a bit bigger than a necklace :P A crucifix won't get in the way in any sort of organisation, as it is just a piece of jewelry at the end of the day. The burkha on the other hand is just in the way, and degrading to women. Women have near-equal rights in the western world and should be treated as such, and the burkha is against this. Some may claim it is a relgious garment, but it's origins revolve around women as possessions, to hide their identity from other men.

At the end of the day though, I only agree with banning it in airports and places of high security. My view on banning it entirely would be counter-productive, as it is commonly known that we are meant to be an open society where people can do anything they please within the law and within reason, and as the burkha is doing no harm it's not that desperate to completely abolish it.

It's a tough subject really :/

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A crucifix also can't be used to conceal a bomb or an AK-47 or something lol

Face covering is a no no for me, reduces my **** bank everytime I walk past a mosque because I can't tell if they're **** bank quality or not. :(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(