Nigel Farage launches tirrade against unelected President of Europe

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Fact? Show anything that it has been factually proved that members of Browns staff rang the helpline? Again I say I am not bothered if he is proved to be a bully. Remember my last post? I seriously cannot take your comment on Belgium seriously. The fact that a belgian is in charge of Europe is no excuse for Farage insulting the whole nation. There was no need for it. I am actually listening to Question Time at the moment to see how he did.

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The helpline director has told of it and has resigned due to it, number 10 if they knew it was false would not have rapidly come to the PMs defence along with various ministers. Why do you honestly think they will not investigate it? - I mean it doesnt take an Einstein to work out the fact that they refuse to look into it because it, must have at least some truth behind it.

No you cannot take it seriously because you are ignoring the facts about Belgium, earlier I was reading on it again and i've read in the past; Belgium is an artifical country which in recent years has has to become a federal state just to hold itself together because the Flems and the Walloons are at eachothers throats.

You can either ignore them facts for purely political reasons or can accept them, but you being a Labour supporter and not being able to accept that Mr Brown has been caught out and exposed as a bully really takes the biscuit when you pretend to be outraged by Farages very mild comments that Belgium is a non-country when infact, it is.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

The helpline director has told of it and has resigned due to it, number 10 if they knew it was false would not have rapidly come to the PMs defence along with various ministers. Why do you honestly think they will not investigate it? - I mean it doesnt take an Einstein to work out the fact that they refuse to look into it because it, must have at least some truth behind it.

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That is not a fact. Why on earth did the person resign if they were confident
they were telling the truth. There is no denying that somebody rang the helpline BUT who has not been proved. No I don't make assumptions.

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No you cannot take it seriously because you are ignoring the facts about Belgium, earlier I was reading on it again and i've read in the past; Belgium is an artifical country which in recent years has has to become a federal state just to hold itself together because the Flems and the Walloons are at eachothers throats.

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No I do not support basically slating other countries - why should I?

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You can either ignore them facts for purely political reasons or can accept them, but you being a Labour supporter and not being able to accept that Mr Brown has been caught out and exposed as a bully really takes the biscuit when you pretend to be outraged by Farages very mild comments that Belgium is a non-country when infact, it is.

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I am not outraged about Mr Farage. I said he had basically made an idiot of himself. I quoted from The Times. Having watched Question time Farage is obviously more intelligent than Nick Griffin but I don't think he shone in any way. He is not going to be remembered for this programme.

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That is not a fact. Why on earth did the person resign if they were confident they were telling the truth. There is no denying that somebody rang the helpline BUT who has not been proved. No I don't make assumptions.

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They resigned because they compromised their job as they broke secrecy rules and confidentiality regulations and thus as they compromised their position, it would be untenable for them to keep their job as the head of a anti-bullying helpline if they broke those basic rules.

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No I do not support basically slating other countries - why should I?

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Its not slating another country, Belgium is non-country by the standards of other countries as I have just explain and as you have just driven right past. Yes it is provoking language, but thats the whole reason he did it to provoke debate and to gather attention so he can get his case across to the consituents of Buckinghamshire - and its worked to his advantage.

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I am not outraged about Mr Farage. I said he had basically made an idiot of himself. I quoted from The Times. Having watched Question time Farage is obviously more intelligent than Nick Griffin but I don't think he shone in any way. He is not going to be remembered for this programme.

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Well I can tell you now that popular opinion is not taking the same view as yourself and the Times newspaper. UKIP and Farage himself have gained more support from this, thats not me as a UKIP supporter saying that because I want them to do well;- its because from what I have read and seen that he has gained support. If he hadn't gained support and had shot himself in the foot then i'd say that right now, but the opposite has happened.

Hm strange how you bring Nick Griffin into this, maybe to try and make it out that Farage has an element of racism about him(?) - if so, no different from the dirty tactics of the three main parties. No it wasn't his best Question Time and it wouldn't be, considering it was in Wales which is rather left-leaning.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

They resigned because they compromised their job as they broke secrecy rules and confidentiality regulations and thus as they compromised their position, it would be untenable for them to keep their job as the head of a anti-bullying helpline if they broke those basic rules.

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I actually can't find anything to say Margaret Pratt has resigned(you may be able to)but a lot of her patrons have. Mrs Pratt has denied that she had breached client confidentiality in revealing the existence of the phone calls to her helpline, but today one of the charity's patrons, Professor Cary Cooper, said he could no longer remain as patron after Mrs Pratt's allegations.

"She did not reveal any names, but that is irrelevant. She is revealing the employer, which is No 10. I just think that is wholly wrong and inappropriate. You don’t do that. I can no longer be a patron," said Professor Cooper.

Three other patrons also resigned: Ann Widdecombe, a senior Tory MP; Mary O’Connor, a Conservative councillor in the London Borough of Hillingdon; and the TV presenter Sarah Cawood.

You may also like to look at an article about her - she has been totally discredited.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/wi...-all-it-seems/

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Its not slating another country, Belgium is non-country by the standards of other countries as I have just explain and as you have just driven right past. Yes it is provoking language, but thats the whole reason he did it to provoke debate and to gather attention so he can get his case across to the consituents of Buckinghamshire - and its worked to his advantage.

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Sorry but I find your comments about Belgium quite offensive and you cannot force me into a discussion about it if I do not wish to participate. I am sure the people of Belgium will have something to say about it though.

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Well I can tell you now that popular opinion is not taking the same view as yourself and the Times newspaper. UKIP and Farage himself have gained more support from this, thats not me as a UKIP supporter saying that because I want them to do well;- its because from what I have read and seen that he has gained support. If he hadn't gained support and had shot himself in the foot then i'd say that right now, but the opposite has happened.

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Well of course they would but is there any actual proof of this anywhere?
Links?

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Hm strange how you bring Nick Griffin into this, maybe to try and make it out that Farage has an element of racism about him(?) - if so, no different from the dirty tactics of the three main parties. No it wasn't his best Question Time and it wouldn't be, considering it was in Wales which is rather left-leaning.

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No I don't think he is racist - the only similarity is that they went on the programme with lots of publicity. You would be surprised how many people in Wales might be left leaning as you say but agree on the Europe mess. He did well on the banks issue but did not really capitalise on anything else. I hope it was worth it for him and I think it is a shame that he had to resort to a basically cheap publicity stunt to do it.

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I actually can't find anything to say Margaret Pratt has resigned(you may be able to)but a lot of her patrons have. Mrs Pratt has denied that she had breached client confidentiality in revealing the existence of the phone calls to her helpline, but today one of the charity's patrons, Professor Cary Cooper, said he could no longer remain as patron after Mrs Pratt's allegations.

"She did not reveal any names, but that is irrelevant. She is revealing the employer, which is No 10. I just think that is wholly wrong and inappropriate. You don’t do that. I can no longer be a patron," said Professor Cooper.

Three other patrons also resigned: Ann Widdecombe, a senior Tory MP; Mary O’Connor, a Conservative councillor in the London Borough of Hillingdon; and the TV presenter Sarah Cawood.

You may also like to look at an article about her - she has been totally discredited.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/wi...-all-it-seems/

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I'm suprised she hasnt resigned, and so she should and I haven't at one point suggested otherwise. I think the fact you've actually seen that the calls have come from workers at Number 10 suggest that sadly these allegations are true.

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Sorry but I find your comments about Belgium quite offensive and you cannot force me into a discussion about it if I do not wish to participate. I am sure the people of Belgium will have something to say about it though.

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Well I have no idea what you find offensive about Belgium considering you are not a Belgian;- no I cannot force you to engage in a conversation about Belgium, but I can (as I have) state the facts about Belgium, its history and its internal issues and the fact you will not reply to those points quite frankly only re-assures me.

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Well of course they would but is there any actual proof of this anywhere? Links?

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Take a look on;

- Daily Mail comment boards.
- Telegraph comment boards.
- Youtube comment boards.
- Facebook groups and comment boards.

Theres no polls but from what I have seen at large, he has made a positive impact overall. (Before you comment on the Mail source, the Mail is the second most read paper in the country so its a pretty big portion of the electorate)

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No I don't think he is racist - the only similarity is that they went on the programme with lots of publicity. You would be surprised how many people in Wales might be left leaning as you say but agree on the Europe mess. He did well on the banks issue but did not really capitalise on anything else. I hope it was worth it for him and I think it is a shame that he had to resort to a basically cheap publicity stunt to do it.

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Well quite frankly if it gets him into Westminister as it could very well likely do so then its worth it, we need someone in there whos a real politician and who will speak their mind once and for all. As I said earlier though, comments were slightly rude about Herman Van Rompuy but the fact is that Farage has been called far far worse (see second link I posted). The fact is that the EU elite hate people like Farage, and if he has to use mild lanaguage such as this to get his cause across and into the media (which the EU simply do not want) then hes doing us all, and democracy a favour.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I'm suprised she hasnt resigned, and so she should and I haven't at one point suggested otherwise. I think the fact you've actually seen that the calls have come from workers at Number 10 suggest that sadly these allegations are true.

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No it doesn't mean that the allegations are true just because it is says the employer is stated. Any Tom, **** or Harry could ring a help line and say they worked for the Prime Minister. Remember a journalist was trying to get publicity for a book? I am not saying he is not a bully. I am starting to repeat myself like a parrot.

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Well I have no idea what you find offensive about Belgium considering you are not a Belgian;- no I cannot force you to engage in a conversation about Belgium, but I can (as I have) state the facts about Belgium, its history and its internal issues and the fact you will not reply to those points quite frankly only re-assures me.

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Well I am glad it re-assures you but you must also realise that this repeated type of questioning can get very boring. I have no wish to discuss Belgium or
what you or Farage think about it other than that it is quite offensive IMHO.

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Take a look on;

- Daily Mail comment boards.
- Telegraph comment boards.
- Youtube comment boards.
- Facebook groups and comment boards.

Theres no polls but from what I have seen at large, he has made a positive impact overall. (Before you comment on the Mail source, the Mail is the second most read paper in the country so its a pretty big portion of the electorate)

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You should produce links to prove your point if you have seen them - I am not interested enough myself to look.

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Well quite frankly if it gets him into Westminister as it could very well likely do so then its worth it, we need someone in there whos a real politician and who will speak their mind once and for all. As I said earlier though, comments were slightly rude about Herman Van Rompuy but the fact is that Farage has been called far far worse (see second link I posted).

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Yes I can see he would do quite well as he is quite a lively person who would certainly stir a debate but this has done nothing to enhance his credibility, nationally in any event. Is he your MEP?

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No it doesn't mean that the allegations are true just because it is says the employer is stated. Any Tom, **** or Harry could ring a help line and say they worked for the Prime Minister. Remember a journalist was trying to get publicity for a book? I am not saying he is not a bully. I am starting to repeat myself like a parrot.

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I'm sure theres some evidence behind them hence why Number 10 are so reluctant to have an investigation into these claims. You make it seem like everyone is phoning up the helpline in a very cleverly co-ordinated attack on Gordon Brown.. come on this is the real world. Lets have an investigation into these claims which are very likely to be true and then we'd find out once and for all whether old Gordy has been slamming PC keyboards down in the desks and stabbing the back of seats with pens out of anger.

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Well I am glad it re-assures you but you must also realise that this repeated type of questioning can get very boring. I have no wish to discuss Belgium or what you or Farage think about it other than that it is quite offensive IMHO.

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Well you say you find them offensive, but they are facts.

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You should produce links to prove your point if you have seen them - I am not interested enough myself to look.

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Their are a fair few articles regarding this issue, fair few videos (the main one being posted at the start of the thread) and on Facebook there are various groups that have been sprouting up in support (and against) although majorly in support of Farage and his comments.

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Yes I can see he would do quite well as he is quite a lively person who would certainly stir a debate but this has done nothing to enhance his credibility, nationally in any event. Is he your MEP?

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Sadly not, we have Paul Nuttal for UKIP though who is also an excellent public speaker. The odds are pointing towards a Farage win though which is good news and will mean UKIP has its first Member of Parliament.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I'm sure theres some evidence behind them hence why Number 10 are so reluctant to have an investigation into these claims. You make it seem like everyone is phoning up the helpline in a very cleverly co-ordinated attack on Gordon Brown.. come on this is the real world. Lets have an investigation into these claims which are very likely to be true and then we'd find out once and for all whether old Gordy has been slamming PC keyboards down in the desks and stabbing the back of seats with pens out of anger.



Well you say you find them offensive, but they are facts.



Their are a fair few articles regarding this issue, fair few videos (the main one being posted at the start of the thread) and on Facebook there are various groups that have been sprouting up in support (and against) although majorly in support of Farage and his comments.



Sadly not, we have Paul Nuttal for UKIP though who is also an excellent public speaker. The odds are pointing towards a Farage win though which is good news and will mean UKIP has its first Member of Parliament.

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Well I don't mind one way or the other if there is an investigation of Gordon Brown. If he is found to have been a bully it could be better for the Labour Party in the long run tbh. To dismiss another Country like this for me is offensive - end of dicussion on that. You are entitled to your opinion. Well if he is the MEP for the area he is going for in the GE then as long as he has served his constituency well he does stand a good chance. Now I am tired and I am going to bed. =]

Ah I kinda did like Nigel Farage before this. Im all for voicing opinions, but theres a way to put them across without making you look devastatingly rude and incredibly ignorant. Its a shame. I really hope others don't think that this type of behaviour truly represents the UK, if not entirely, then at least within regards to political behaviour.