Prisoner's rights... has it gone a bit too far?

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Originally Posted by Richie

Good if they go insane, it will teach them not to commit a crime again. I know I sound very blunt but when I think of prison first thing that comes to mind is rapists and peados

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Our prisons are supposed to reform people though. Whether they do or not is a whole new debate. By making them go insane will mean they leave prison being insane, more of a danger to the wider public.

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

Free food, a warm bed, TV and a computer is a step up from where a lot of them were in life anyways, though.

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Once again, you're forgetting they're stuck there all day, every day. You say it's a step up, yeah I bet they love having their freedom taken away and more than likely being targeted by other cons.

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Originally Posted by Gibs960

Moaning about too many jail programmes on TV? If I was in charge they'd all be dead, the dirt *******s....

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fab solution.

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Originally Posted by doherty

Once again, you're forgetting they're stuck there all day, every day. You say it's a step up, yeah I bet they love having their freedom taken away and more than likely being targeted by other cons.

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If you value freedom so much then you dont commit the crime.

This subject has gone wild within the last decade or so but its been happening since the early 1990s, a mixture of political correctness gone mad at home and EU court ruling has led to criminals being treated like the victims rather than the victims of the crime. It is commonplace nowadays where we have serial offenders let out early/not sentenced at all because the Labour government failed to build more prisons and we have dangerous criminals recieving sentences of less than ten years at times for taking somebodies life - the ironic part being that they actually call these sentences 'life sentences' when they are anything but. However those of you who vote/support Labour then you really cant moan about it and neither can the rest of the country who voted for Labour - you vote Labour you have to expect and accept this sort of backwardness along with higher taxes and so forth.

Yes, they've gone too far. A prison cell should be a dingy little room with a hard bed. A toilet of somesort and a sink.

The only bad things for prisoners are other prisoners and having to think about what they did/boredom. That's why they are there though, to learn a lesson and for the safety of the public.

Change all our prisons to those like American ones and introduce the death penalty THEN ill be happy.
The British legal system is a joke and to be honest, nobody's scared of it - im certainly not, you pinch a car in England and 9/10 you wouldn't get sentenced whereas in America you'd get hard time for that.

Make's me sick sometimes when i think about what type of country i live in, with a legal system and jails that nobody are scared of.

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Originally Posted by Jayme

Change all our prisons to those like American ones and introduce the death penalty THEN ill be happy.
The British legal system is a joke and to be honest, nobody's scared of it - im certainly not, you pinch a car in England and 9/10 you wouldn't get sentenced whereas in America you'd get hard time for that.

Make's me sick sometimes when i think about what type of country i live in, with a legal system and jails that nobody are scared of.

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That's ridiculous. Once again, you're making it sound as if people want to go to prison. Of course, they're scared, who wants to be physically and verbally abused day after day. Nobody. They can't do what they want like you make out. The death penalty, we know that'd be horrendous.

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Originally Posted by doherty

That's ridiculous. Once again, you're making it sound as if people want to go to prison. Of course, they're scared, who wants to be physically and verbally abused day after day. Nobody. They can't do what they want like you make out. The death penalty, we know that'd be horrendous.

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The death penalty should be put to referendum so then we can see whether the majority see if its horrendous or not. Personally I find murderers being let out at all, let alone after short sentences the more horrendous and pressing issue rather than the distant threat of the death penalty. The prison population needs at least doubling - at its present capacity (80,000 odd thousand) its not only full but when you think about it logically its only a large-sized football stadium on a match day and I think thats appalling for a country with a population of 60 odd million.

The truth is that prison is a better option for a lot of people; its warm, mostly safe (safer than the streets in some areas to some people) and has facilities such as gyms, gaming consoles and other things that a lot of people can barely afford to have/use. In left wing Britain the criminal comes first and foremost and its totally and utterly wrong.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

The death penalty should be put to referendum so then we can see whether the majority see if its horrendous or not. Personally I find murderers being let out at all, let alone after short sentences the more horrendous and pressing issue rather than the distant threat of the death penalty. The prison population needs at least doubling - at its present capacity (80,000 odd thousand) its not only full but when you think about it logically its only a large-sized football stadium on a match day and I think thats appalling.

The truth is that prison is a better option for a lot of people; its warm, mostly safe (safer than the streets in some areas to some people) and has facilities such as gyms, gaming consoles and other things that a lot of people can barely afford to have/use. In left wing Britain the criminal comes first and foremost.

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Which are totally different issues to contend with altogether. How you can say it is safer is bizarre, you're really media driven on this topic. I've had people I know been to prison and it's not like it's portrayed, they don't waltz around angry that they've lost on FIFA or have access to great Sky TV and all watch the football whilst having a beer. It's my idea of hell. Also, you're straining the point way too far by saying a criminal comes first and foremost, obviously not true.

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Originally Posted by doherty

Which are totally different issues to contend with altogether. How you can say it is safer is bizarre, you're really media driven on this topic. I've had people I know been to prison and it's not like it's portrayed, they don't waltz around angry that they've lost on FIFA or have access to great Sky TV and all watch the football whilst having a beer. It's my idea of hell. Also, you're straining the point way too far by saying a criminal comes first and foremost, obviously not true.

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I am media driven because thanks to a free media in this country you learn the goings-on of this country and the shambolic way it is governed, of course if you read the likes of Polly Toynbee you may aswell declare yourself insane and march back off to Pollyland where crime is falling and everythings 'happy-diddy go'. It is your idea of hell because you are well off and not a criminal, it would be my idea of hell as well because I am well off and enjoy freedom and understand its value - these people [criminals] do not have that same outlook, hence why they commit crimes in the first place.

The criminals do come first in Britain, in this country you take a life and get around 10 years for it - a life isnt worth 10 years, its worth a life.

I have committed crime though. It's the thought of prison that puts me off committing more severe crime because unlike what the media say prison isn't a walk in the park and is one of the most daunting places you could go in this country.

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Originally Posted by doherty

I have committed crime though. It's the thought of prison that puts me off committing more severe crime because unlike what the media say prison isn't a walk in the park and is one of the most daunting places you could go in this country.

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Well i'm afraid a nice bed, nice facilities, a gym, workshops, game consoles, McDonalds as a treat [the list goes on] isnt what most people would call daunting from a crime perspective. Again it is terrifying for you and I, but not for criminals - because for them it is nothing short of a holiday.