You know this massacre thing...?

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Originally Posted by Saurav

So what if someone like the person yesterday decided to take their gun off the property and go around shooting people on the street, the gun the victim owns will be quite useless sitting in their property...

And people can be wrongly sentenced of murder - its happened before - and its simply not worth it. There have been reports that life sentence in jail can make the prisoner go crazy and a lot of them try and commit suicide.

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Then you have a massacre - but thats a very rare event with the law-abiding, meanwhile the criminals who arent afraid to use guns have them in their possession and will use them if need be. As for wrongly sentenced, the penalty would only be for crimes that are damn right obvious (for example solid DNA evidence, clear CCTV footage and/or various witnesses at the scene of the murder/rape).

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Then you have a massacre - but thats a very rare event with the law-abiding, meanwhile the criminals who arent afraid to use guns have them in their possession and will use them if need be. As for wrongly sentenced, the penalty would only be for crimes that are damn right obvious (for example solid DNA evidence, clear CCTV footage and/or various witnesses at the scene of the murder/rape).

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Death sentence isn't making them suffer for life for their crimes - which is what they should be doing.

Like I said, not letting everyone own a gun is better than letting everyone own one.
Criminals with guns who aren't afraid now wont really care if people aren't allowed it outside their homes.

More guns = black market = money = drugs = gangs

America is a rock solid justification of this theory.
You can't walk two feet in america without seeing a gang member.

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Originally Posted by Saurav

Death sentence isn't making them suffer for life for their crimes - which is what they should be doing.

Like I said, not letting everyone own a gun is better than letting everyone own one.
Criminals with guns who aren't afraid now wont really care if people aren't allowed it outside their homes.

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I wouldnt say sitting in a jail with a gym, an xbox and all other various facilities is suffering.

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Originally Posted by Jayme

More guns = black market = money = drugs = gangs

America is a rock solid justification of this theory.
You can't walk two feet in america without seeing a gang member.

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Legalising guns to a degree doesnt effect the black market, the criminals can buy guns off the black market regardless of the legality of gun controls because thats the only place they can get them - legalise guns with controls and its still the only place criminals can get hold of guns because they'd be knocked back for gun ownership on the legal system. The only difference not allowing the law-abiding to have guns for defence makes is that you leave them unprotected, whereas the criminals always will have access to a black market whether the law abiding majority can buy guns legally or not.

Didn't he have a huge ass sniper rifle? I doubt farmers would keep guns like that. Only simple shotguns I presume.

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Originally Posted by Stephen

Didn't he have a huge ass sniper rifle? I doubt farmers would keep guns like that. Only simple shotguns I presume.

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He had a legal Shotgun and a Rifle (Scoped) it's been confirmed. Presumably he was a member of a shooting club or something, I haven't seen anything on that though.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Legalising guns to a degree doesnt effect the black market, the criminals can buy guns off the black market regardless of the legality of gun controls because thats the only place they can get them - legalise guns with controls and its still the only place criminals can get hold of guns because they'd be knocked back for gun ownership on the legal system. The only difference not allowing the law-abiding to have guns for defence makes is that you leave them unprotected, whereas the criminals always will have access to a black market whether the law abiding majority can buy guns legally or not.

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Yes but with more legally owned guns around, obviously more and more will go onto the black market and hundreds of thousands would be in illegal circulation. Its inevitable that legally owned firearms will get stolen if there is an increase in the number of British people owning guns at home.
You say you want a legal system like the United States, with the death penalty and so forth?
Do you want our country ending up like the US? Because that's what would happen, neighbourhoods full of different gang sets using the illegal firearms as protection.
It seems abit farfetched i agree, but that's the reality - if more people have legally obtained firearms, there will be a rise in illegally obtained firearms resulting in bloodshed across our nation and estates being rife with gun-crime.

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Originally Posted by Stephen

Didn't he have a huge ass sniper rifle? I doubt farmers would keep guns like that. Only simple shotguns I presume.

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These simple shotguns you speak of, would blow your head off. :P

Lol, shows that I don't watch the news. Though he had a 50cal or something

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I wouldnt say sitting in a jail with a gym, an xbox and all other various facilities is suffering.

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Not all criminals get that treatment.

You completely ignore this point:

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Criminals with guns who aren't afraid now wont really care if people aren't allowed it outside their homes.

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Originally Posted by Jayme

You can't walk two feet in america without seeing a gang member.

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i wish i could post audio of my laughter, as lol doesnt do this statement justice.