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Originally Posted by JackBuddy

That comment is you in a nutshell.


Champions League experience? We've played 1 game (3 if you include Young Boys). Is that going to make us unbeatable all of sudden? Our 'failure' this season (despite being 3 points behind you) is due to a mixture of injures and a disappointing transfer window.

Crouch does a job but doesn't score enough (and sometimes doesn't suit our style of play).
Pav is frustrating to watch and cannot be relied on throughout the whole of a season.
Keane is past it.
Defoe is our best striker and it looks like we will miss him until he returns in a couple of months time. He normally starts the season well and it's no suprise we are struggling to score goals without him.
Last season we were lucky enough to have strikers finding form at various times throughout the season.

It's obvious that King and Woodgate can't be relied upon but who would have thought that Kaboul, Dawson and Gallas would each be out at the same time too?

Fabiano was our top target this summer. In the end the money behind it didn't make financial sense and if the deal jeoparidsed the financial future of the club then fair enough. There was little movement during the transfer window unless there were oil-rich arabs behind a club. Harry isn't afraid to spend money and if there weren't any players good enough available then there isn't a lot he can do.

I'm sorry but you post on here from your pedestal looking down from above with your vast and expansive 'football knowledge' constantly trying to disprove anybody's opinions just because you are all knowing. That post above is just typical of you.

I can't believe this has all started just because I thought City would give Chelsea a bit more of a game at the weekend.

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EDIT - LOL, just read Minstrels post in full, he's trying to take the piss out of Tottenham spending £8M on Van Der Vaart, when they spent £27M on Milner...

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Originally Posted by StefanWolves

EDIT - LOL, just read Minstrels post in full, he's trying to take the piss out of Tottenham spending £8M on Van Der Vaart, when they spent £27M on Milner...

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Pardon?

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Originally Posted by Spuds

Pardon?

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er, pardon?

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Originally Posted by StefanWolves

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I'm just trying to spot what part of the post I took "the piss out of Tottenham spending £8M on Van Der Vaart", couldn't help could you? The only bit I can spot is where I said that although he's a good player he's not what they needed. They already had Modric and the lad from Portsmouth, they needed defenders and a striker. So as you can see, tad confused.

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Originally Posted by Spuds

I'm just trying to spot what part of the post I took "the piss out of Tottenham spending £8M on Van Der Vaart", couldn't help could you? The only bit I can spot is where I said that although he's a good player he's not what they needed. They already had Modric and the lad from Portsmouth, they needed defenders and a striker. So as you can see, tad confused.

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Okay, I phrased it wrong. You were hypocritical. Man City have something crazy like 12 midfielders. 12, yet you spend £27M on a midfielder that you didn't necessarily need. Yet you are saying Tottenham wasted £8M on a top, top class Midfielder when they have about 4 less midfielders, maybe more, than Man City.

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Originally Posted by StefanWolves

Okay, I phrased it wrong. You were hypocritical. Man City have something crazy like 12 midfielders. 12, yet you spend £27M on a midfielder that you didn't necessarily need. Yet you are saying Tottenham wasted £8M on a top, top class Midfielder when they have about 4 less midfielders, maybe more, than Man City.

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Looking at Tottenhams website they have Bale, Bentley, Lennon and possibly Sandro as wingers. Which is good but Bentley has already made it clear that he wants first team action on a regular basis. Then they have Huddlestone and Palacios who both had good seasons with Spurs last season, but they've also got O'Hara who also had an excellent season who should be expecting first team action. Then they have Jenas who I believe JackBuddy has said is poor so I don't know whether Jenas knows if he's a squad player, probably considering he was halfway out the door to Stoke. Tottenham also have VDV, Dos Santos, Kranjcar and Modric battling for that single attacking midfield spot. Chuck in Rose expecting to break through and at first it looks strong which is great but not so great when you look at the defence and forwards. Then you have to question the purchase of VDV. Could that £8,000,000 be spent elsewhere? No arguing he's a good player but that £8,000,000 could have been spent on a player which is in desperate need, surely Modric, Dos Santos and Kranjcar would see you through till January at the earliest?

As for Manchester City, although we overspent on players we did it in a fashion which meant we're not left short. Yes we'll have selection problems but to an extent where it's players battling to start all over the pitch, not just in one area which is where Tottenhams problem is.

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Originally Posted by Spuds

Looking at Tottenhams website they have Bale, Bentley, Lennon and possibly Sandro as wingers. Which is good but Bentley has already made it clear that he wants first team action on a regular basis. Then they have Huddlestone and Palacios who both had good seasons with Spurs last season, but they've also got O'Hara who also had an excellent season who should be expecting first team action. Then they have Jenas who I believe JackBuddy has said is poor so I don't know whether Jenas knows if he's a squad player, probably considering he was halfway out the door to Stoke. Tottenham also have VDV, Dos Santos, Kranjcar and Modric battling for that single attacking midfield spot. Chuck in Rose expecting to break through and at first it looks strong which is great but not so great when you look at the defence and forwards. Then you have to question the purchase of VDV. Could that £8,000,000 be spent elsewhere? No arguing he's a good player but that £8,000,000 could have been spent on a player which is in desperate need, surely Modric, Dos Santos and Kranjcar would see you through till January at the earliest?

As for Manchester City, although we overspent on players we did it in a fashion which meant we're not left short. Yes we'll have selection problems but to an extent where it's players battling to start all over the pitch, not just in one area which is where Tottenhams problem is.

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Originally Posted by StefanWolves

did you seriously lookup on websites just to come back with that?

poor, poor you

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Yes I checked the website to make sure that the point I was making was valid, which as far as I can see it is? I sometimes forget HxF is a forum for discussion, it's quite amusing seeing the users who articulate good, legthy posts which are able to continue a discussion without presuming the other user is in a tantrum, drift away from the forum and leave the drigs and drags who didn't add that much to the sports section when it was more 'healthy' to play with it until the section is a wasteland of two lined posts, must say you're doing a good job.

But anyway, as far as I can tell Tottenham invested in a midfielder where the money could have been invested in a more sensible investment. End of the matter for me unless I see a decent post, doubt it considering the likes of Adam, Adam and Harry, the old Arsenal fan (not CHA!N) have/are drifting away along with me. It's a shame JackBuddy and that Arsenal fan are still here having to put up with the otherwise drab posts from certain users.

Good night Stefan.

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Originally Posted by Spuds

Yes I checked the website to make sure that the point I was making was valid, which as far as I can see it is? I sometimes forget HxF is a forum for discussion, it's quite amusing seeing the users who articulate good, legthy posts which are able to continue a discussion without presuming the other user is in a tantrum, drift away from the forum and leave the drigs and drags who didn't add that much to the sports section when it was more 'healthy' to play with it until the section is a wasteland of two lined posts, must say you're doing a good job.

But anyway, as far as I can tell Tottenham invested in a midfielder where the money could have been invested in a more sensible investment. End of the matter for me unless I see a decent post, doubt it considering the likes of Adam, Adam and Harry, the old Arsenal fan (not CHA!N) have/are drifting away along with me. It's a shame JackBuddy and that Arsenal fan are still here having to put up with the otherwise drab posts from certain users.

Good night Stefan.

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Originally Posted by Spuds

Indeed it is me in a nutshell, posting my opinion directed towards Alex and laughing at any potential upset coursed by a few letters on an internet forum.

You drew to Bremen did you not? Away from home too? That single game would have matured a number of players, all it takes is one game away from the norm and you get a small taster of what it's like. Then you can prepare yourself for the rest of the journey. Preparation is key in this game, as proven by your recent form because of "injuries", 'Arry should have prepared for them in the summer. Roberto Mancini, a man of European experience, has purchased a few players allowing us to have a strong first and second team when all fit aswell as an 'alright' third team who with a mixture of first team players (let's not forgot that a whole starting 11 wont be injured), should be capable of defeating the likes of West Ham in the league. I can honestly say if we played our first team aswell as Helan and Boyata or Mee and Boyata or Guidetti and Mee (you get the idea), that we'd win considering it's only a sprinkle of third team players.

It's what makes a strong team, look at Real Madrid, Kaka in the reserves for a bit. Look at Chelsea, Kakuta sprinkled in with the first team. Look at Arsenal, a third team with a lot of talent. You're failures have been down to incompetent management. Everyone knew that if you got into the Champions League you would need more defenders and strikers. What do you buy? A Dutch midfielder, who is good, but wont slot into your defence when needed in times such as now. I would also like to add that the 'three' points looks a lot bigger when you realise we've played Liverpool and Chelsea already.


What is your style of play then? Why do you have a player who doesn't gel with the team? Surely this is down to more lacklustre management? You complain you have no funds to purchase players to fit the way you go about your games, why not sell Crouch and purchase someone who does fit in all the time? You signed Pavlyuchenko for around £14,000,000, correct? You could have purchased Gignac for a million more. Keane is past it, once again, why not sell and add to the Crouch funds even if it is a million or two? Screams to me that it's down to poor management who underestimated the strain of the Champions League, and you're only three or so games in for crying out loud.

Indeed it is obvious that King and Woodgate are injury stricken and pretty much dead so why not sell them, flog for two million each. You've now got Dawson, Gallas and Kaboul. Use the money you spent on a Dutch midfielder who plays the same game as Modric and the lad from Pompey on a centre back then you can match him up with a youth defender like Manchester City would with Mee and Boyata, Manchester United would with Smalling and Evans etc.

If Fabianho was your top target why didn't you have a plan B and C? Gignac moved for around £15,000,000. Huntelaar for around £12,000,000 and Asamoah Gyan for around the same. All quality strikers and out of those surely one would suit your style (whatever that is). You spunked £8,000,000 on a midfielder you don't really need and could have put that towards a nice shiny striker or defender. Newcastle proved how to play the market, look at Ben Arfa. Could deal for them, if he's good sign him up after the loan if not tell them you wont be engaging the clause. Easy enough. If Newcastle and Sunderland can pull off deals such as Ben Arfa and Gyan I'm sure Tottenham are capable of Huntelaar and Gignac if they're willing to splash £8,000,000 on a midfielder.

Typical me? You really should stop going back to that same old point, it's rather boring now. Arf.

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Jesus christ, Modric the same type of player as vdV? vdV is something we have been crying out for for years, we've never been able to play an effective 4-5-1. We played all of last season in a 4-4-2 and it was miraculous that we achieved the league results we did with that system. vdV gives us a 'Gerrard' type player who can play in the hole behind the striker, an attacking midfielder we have been craving for years. The purchase isn't questionable at all.

There were plan B's and C's. Huntelaar was on the market but we turned down the opportunity to sign him. Mistake? Maybe, but I'm sure the scouts and Harry know more about him and his game than somebody like you, or me. We were interested in the likes of Dzeko, Suarez and Fabiano initially. But when a £15m bid is accepted for a 30 year old Fabiano and he wants a 5 year contract worth £90k a week... from the top of my head that would cost around £35-40m during his time at the club. If there were no better options available on the market then I don't see why anybody should be bought if they don't upgrade what we already have. Harry said in the summer, he will get player who are available at the right price.

Selling players isn't as easy as you might think, the summer transfer window had such little movement when you exclude Milan, Barca and City. It makes business sense to get rid of the deadwood; Keane, Jenas, GDS and a few others were available but if there is no buyer then there isn't a lot that can be done. £8m on Sandro? We need a player like him, he's a huge prospect too. Have you seen Palacios play in the past year? Since his brother was found dead he has been a huge liability. Even Jenas has been playing instead of him as of late.

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Originally Posted by Spuds

Looking at Tottenhams website they have Bale, Bentley, Lennon and possibly Sandro as wingers. Which is good but Bentley has already made it clear that he wants first team action on a regular basis. Then they have Huddlestone and Palacios who both had good seasons with Spurs last season, but they've also got O'Hara who also had an excellent season who should be expecting first team action. Then they have Jenas who I believe JackBuddy has said is poor so I don't know whether Jenas knows if he's a squad player, probably considering he was halfway out the door to Stoke. Tottenham also have VDV, Dos Santos, Kranjcar and Modric battling for that single attacking midfield spot. Chuck in Rose expecting to break through and at first it looks strong which is great but not so great when you look at the defence and forwards. Then you have to question the purchase of VDV. Could that £8,000,000 be spent elsewhere? No arguing he's a good player but that £8,000,000 could have been spent on a player which is in desperate need, surely Modric, Dos Santos and Kranjcar would see you through till January at the earliest?

As for Manchester City, although we overspent on players we did it in a fashion which meant we're not left short. Yes we'll have selection problems but to an extent where it's players battling to start all over the pitch, not just in one area which is where Tottenhams problem is.

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Sandro is a defensive midfielder, see above re: vdV.

Harry said he would get the right player if he was available at the right price. We weren't willing to pay the £25m wanted by Athletico Madrid for Forlan, quite rightly too. vdV didn't prevent the purchase of anyone else. I really can't tell if you are trying to say that having competition for places is a good or bad thing. The injury situation is unfortunate, and unlucky. The team can only do as well as they can without the players that are missing.

Honestly, I can't believe what this has escalated from.