Is torture ever acceptable? [ENDS 27/02/2011]

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Originally Posted by Saracen

they don't need to be tortured to find out how and why they did it, torture is only necessary in order to prevent an action being carried out. If the crime has taken place what is there to gain from torture?

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If they were tortured into telling us WHY they did it, it would help scientists find out what happens in a killers mind before a killing, and it would give the police more information on how to prevent things like them happening again.

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Originally Posted by Saracen

Yes really and you've just contradicted yourself. If you 'show the pain they gave someone else' then you're just doing what they've done. As their actions are undoubtedly wrong then you're actions are equally just as wrong and thus you're just being as bad as them.
'Turture' isn't the right answer. If they've done crime that's really wrong then they should be put to death but there's no reason to cause unnecessary pain, that's just callous.

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I agree we are just as bad as them and it's wrong. It's also wrong what they did to someone else they should share the same pain, I only agree with torture if it's a serous effence, murder, manslaughter ect...

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Originally Posted by Bisusz

I agree we are just as bad as them and it's wrong. It's also wrong what they did to someone else they should share the same pain, I only agree with torture if it's a serous effence, murder, manslaughter ect...

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I'm not saying what they hypothetically did isn't wrong but there's no need to go to their level.

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Originally Posted by Saracen

I'm not saying what they hypothetically did isn't wrong but there's no need to go to their level.

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There's no need to kill somebody?

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Originally Posted by Wiizzz

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. - Gandhi

I only believe it should be done (whether or not it's accepted by society, that's a whole other story) if that person has been convicted of a serious crime and has information that could lead to saving someone's life. If it's just to get back at them, no way whatsoever.

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I agree, if someones life could be saved, then save it. However if they have also killed some one ect, they should still be tortured to feel as much pain as what they've caused. It's only fair.

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Originally Posted by Bisusz

There's no need to kill somebody?

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Who said there was? But by torturing them your just being as bad as them. You stated that you agree that you would be as bad as them. Well that just makes you a sadistic. Don't start saying stuff like 'there's no need to kill somebody', no one said that.

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Originally Posted by Bisusz

I agree, if someones life could be saved, then save it. However if they have also killed some one ect, they should still be tortured to feel as much pain as what they've caused. It's only fair.

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If lives can be saved yes. Otherwise no.

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Originally Posted by Saracen

Who said there was? But by torturing them your just being as bad as them. You stated that you agree that you would be as bad as them. Well that just makes you a sadistic. Don't start saying stuff like 'there's no need to kill somebody', no one said that.



If lives can be saved yes. Otherwise no.

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If there's no need to go to their level, then there's no need to kill people. (that's what I ment :P) and at what point did I say someone said it?

There is need to torture them as most prisionors will keep re committing crimes as prison offers a roof over there head, a bed and they get fed 3 times aday, I don't know about you but all that is pretty good for saying you took someones life, they need a better understanding of what they've done and giving them all of the above luxeruses isn't going to help no one. Torture or death Is the only option, I still disagree with death as it's not really a punishment, they won't feel nothing.

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Originally Posted by Bisusz

If there's no need to go to their level, then there's no need to kill people. (that's what I ment :P) and at what point did I say someone said it?

There is need to torture them as most prisionors will keep re committing crimes as prison offers a roof over there head, a bed and they get fed 3 times aday, I don't know about you but all that is pretty good for saying you took someones life, they need a better understanding of what they've done and giving them all of the above luxeruses isn't going to help no one. Torture or death Is the only option, I still disagree with death as it's not really a punishment, they won't feel nothing.

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Well there's no point to continue arguing if that's how you feel. I believe it to be morally wrong but you can't change peoples feelings.

Hmm I used to be of the view that torture is wrong in all circumstances but after talking to a friend in the Royal Marines it's changed somewhat. It definitely shouldn't be used as punishment that's for sure no matter what they've done, but to extract life-saving information in some circumstances it's okay I guess.

For instance, while it is illegal and breaking various conventions, it's sort of known within military circles that it still goes on behind closed doors in Iraq and Afghanistan to save lives and this is acceptable I guess. But naturally these are just Taliban fighters with no lawyers, legal protection etc so it goes unnoticed and seniors aren't told. It's their only option in these cases really, I think we'd all be surprised to learn how much it really goes on behind closed doors.

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Originally Posted by Saracen

Well there's no point to continue arguing if that's how you feel. I believe it to be morally wrong but you can't change peoples feelings.

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Yupp everyones intitled to there opinions, you've got yours and I've got mine, that's all that matters :P

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Hmm I used to be of the view that torture is wrong in all circumstances but after talking to a friend in the Royal Marines it's changed somewhat. It definitely shouldn't be used as punishment that's for sure no matter what they've done, but to extract life-saving information in some circumstances it's okay I guess.

For instance, while it is illegal and breaking various conventions, it's sort of known within military circles that it still goes on behind closed doors in Iraq and Afghanistan to save lives and this is acceptable I guess. But naturally these are just Taliban fighters with no lawyers, legal protection etc so it goes unnoticed and seniors aren't told. It's their only option in these cases really, I think we'd all be surprised to learn how much it really goes on behind closed doors.

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I agree with the saving lives bit, but it should also be used as a punishment, or the attakers will never learn, they will keep re-committing, prison is like a contry club to some criminals. They will keep re-committing, if you used torture criminals will not want to re committ.