March for the Alternative - London - Today

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Originally Posted by jam666

Your solution wont work because this situation whilst in essence is similar to previous rescessions its not the same as this was caused by one group of people only and thats Labour.

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So the recessions in other countries ALSO came from Labour?

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Originally Posted by jam666

The pound is already at an all time low against the euro.

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I'd hardly call an all time low over ten years a catastrophe.

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Originally Posted by jam666

The one example if any that we should follow is Canada. They had debt problems like ourselves and cut alot of things including blowing up hospitals because they couldnt afford them. Fast forward a dozen years and Canada is going about its business just fine.

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Yes because our economy isn't one of those big ones like Canada...

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Originally Posted by jam666

I don't understand why people fail to see a pattern that is very clear and has arised. The pattern being labour spend, then spend some more and continuing spending till there is nothing left. A conservative government is then elected and solves all of our problems and makes the country prosper again. Labour is then elected again and makes the same mistakes of spending everything we have and MORE.. and then we end up with our present conservative / lib dem coalition.

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You're projecting a pattern that has only occurred once.

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Originally Posted by jam666

I have no doubts that this pattern will probably happen again but it won't be third time lucky.

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It'll be third time's the charm?

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Originally Posted by jam666

Your solution wont work because this situation whilst in essence is similar to previous rescessions its not the same as this was caused by one group of people only and thats Labour.

The pound is already at an all time low against the euro.

The one example if any that we should follow is Canada. They had debt problems like ourselves and cut alot of things including blowing up hospitals because they couldnt afford them. Fast forward a dozen years and Canada is going about its business just fine.

I don't understand why people fail to see a pattern that is very clear and has arised. The pattern being labour spend, then spend some more and continuing spending till there is nothing left. A conservative government is then elected and solves all of our problems and makes the country prosper again. Labour is then elected again and makes the same mistakes of spending everything we have and MORE.. and then we end up with our present conservative / lib dem coalition.

I have no doubts that this pattern will probably happen again but it won't be third time lucky.

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I noticed this pattern too. Basically, Labour spend all our money to keep us happy, then get us into debt and happily walk out Number 10. knowing they'll be back in 5-10 years because people won't like the Tory cuts - however the Tory cuts get us back on track, but because of the cuts, people feel hard-done-by so they then re-elect Labour who spend all the money the Tories got back.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

So the recessions in other countries ALSO came from Labour?

No, the recession is different. The recession is a consequence of several countries having substantial debts and the banks lending more than they could afford. But our National debt was caused by labour borrowing too much.

I'd hardly call an all time low over ten years a catastrophe.

12 years* and anyway, it's still bad?

Yes because our economy isn't one of those big ones like Canada...

what's your point here?

You're projecting a pattern that has only occurred once.

Uhm, actually, 1919, 1930, 1974, 1980, & 2008. That's 6 times. Guess which party were in power?: 1919 - Coalition (Prime Minister - Lloyd George - Labour). 1930 - Labour. 1974 - Labour, 1980 - Conservative, 2008 - Labour. One exception to the rule.

It'll be third time's the charm?

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I agree with almost all of this and add my points in bold

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Originally Posted by jam666

Dont forget me :).

This march in westminster is absolutely disgraceful and EVERYONE who is there should hang their heads in shame. This is usual of the left and socialist who think marching will achieve anything.. but it wont. They squark and squirm how "everyone agrees with them" but we do NOT.
I thought Mr Milliband's speech at the end of the protest/march was rather weak, he claims that he knew the Torries would say the people protesting are in minority, the thing is they actually were in minority, Labour created this situation and the Torries are doing it in the most swift way. This wy it means the counrty can get back on track quickly.

The unions died in the 80's and quite frankly need to perish into the pits of oblivion as they serve no purpose what-so-ever except to protest against things that need to be done.
All public sector based unions that is. There is no way the public sector would accept as much inductrial action as we allow the public sector to display at the expense of the tax payer.

Im a Conservative but I don't agree with everything that David Cameron has said or done...

* He didn't give us an EU refferendum
* No reform on british bill of rights
* Inheritence tax chages scrapped

and these are just a few of the things I disagree with..... infact I'd say cuts need to be over 20% for example across the board and nothing less will do.
fair points above.

As for college or uni lecturers they need to get off their high horse and take a cold hard look at them selves. The only reason they are complaining is because their pensions are being brought into line with what the private sector has had for years and just because they wont get their gold plated pensions or pay rises here and there they strike for nothing but purely greed.
again referring to my point above about the public sector, the solution however should be streamlining and making the public sector more effective, as opposed to 'cuts'.

Most people are forgetting who caused this mess and the answer is the LABOUR party... You ask most left wing supporters what the alternative is to the cuts and they cant even come up with an answer which renders their silly little protest USELESS!.
Ed Miliband touched on this, saying labour would disperse the cuts across more years, however this would also be rendered useless because they are not going to be in power after their cuts for more than 4 years, or when the election is called, they would therefore be useless, in effect, all modern politics need to be aimed to be achieved in less than 4 years.

In may you know who to vote for and it certainly isnt labour, lib dems or any other left social party including the greens.

Vote Conservative / UKIP.

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Originally Posted by Conservative,

1919 - Coalition (Prime Minister - Lloyd George - Labour)

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Wrong.

Lloyd George was the Liberal party leader who had to form a coalition with Labour, he himself was not the leader of Labour. They were shoe-horned in as a working class vote netcatcher, I believe that they'll repeat the same mistakes nowadays with the Liberal Democrats being shoe-horned into a coalition.

ITT: People claiming that the Tories are better than Labour when they cut some of the only things they shouldn't cut, like the NHS (unless you sack 90% of the bloated administration which would be good) or Education and then increase Foreign Aid spending, increase EU spending and develop a cop out budget. Most people have it right; labour ideology is just not applicable to a stable country but what the Conservatives have done is go about cutting in possibly the worst way achievable, quite remarkable really. I don't see why people are so fixated on Lib/Lab/Con. Other parties do exist you know.

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Originally Posted by Wig44.

ITT: People claiming that the Tories are better than Labour when they cut some of the only things they shouldn't cut, like the NHS

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ITT people who think money comes from the money tree.

I've not really followed the story about the protests but it does seem to be on a massive scale. Stuff like this really angers me. I really do frown upon protests because they really are so pathetic in most cases. It's just silly, petty people who seem to think sitting around (albeit turning into havoc) can get the Government on their side. These people have been under the "buy-what-you-want-worry-about-it-later" procedures that our last Labour Government applied and they can't accept change.

As we've seen with tuition fees (and now this), the Government won't listen to protests, and thank goodness too. These people are wasting their time and it just makes the country look stupid. It's an embarassment.

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Originally Posted by jam666

Dont forget me :).

This march in westminster is absolutely disgraceful and EVERYONE who is there should hang their heads in shame. This is usual of the left and socialist who think marching will achieve anything.. but it wont. They squark and squirm how "everyone agrees with them" but we do NOT.

The unions died in the 80's and quite frankly need to perish into the pits of oblivion as they serve no purpose what-so-ever except to protest against things that need to be done.

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I think the part in bold actually sums up exactly what this is about except it need to be done for the people not the self serving ideological policies of this government who actually don't seem interested in the majority of this country.

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Im a Conservative but I don't agree with everything that David Cameron has said or done...

* He didn't give us an EU refferendum
* No reform on british bill of rights
* Inheritence tax chages scrapped

and these are just a few of the things I disagree with..... infact I'd say cuts need to be over 20% for example across the board and nothing less will do.

As for college or uni lecturers they need to get off their high horse and take a cold hard look at them selves. The only reason they are complaining is because their pensions are being brought into line with what the private sector has had for years and just because they wont get their gold plated pensions or pay rises here and there they strike for nothing but purely greed.

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I think you will find that public sector workers have always been paid less that private sector workers. The average pension is about £6,000 a year. Hardly gold plated. What you forget is that any other reform has
not been retrospective so this is quite a diversion in policy. They have contributed to their pensions for years and now face them being cut. Also this was not just about the pensions it was about the savage cuts in general. Interesting to know that whilst Osbourne didn't announce it they are cutting pensioner's winter fuel allowance by 25 % despite Cameron promising it would not be done.

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Most people are forgetting who caused this mess and the answer is the LABOUR party... You ask most left wing supporters what the alternative is to the cuts and they cant even come up with an answer which renders their silly little protest USELESS!.

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Yes Labour caused all the mess - the banking sector and global world crisis and recession had nothing to do with it. I think you will find this is just the beginning and I wonder how you will feel when we start plunging into a double dip recession, huge unemployment, and galloping inflation. This is the only thing the conservative government are successful at. Labourey do have a plan -halving the deficit over 4 years which is backed by nobel prize winners. The RBS Shares are now worth at least X3 than when Labour bailed them out so not a bad investment there.:P

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In may you know who to vote for and it certainly isnt labour, lib dems or any other left social party including the greens.

Vote Conservative / UKIP.

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I think you should enjoy your short time in the sun because it will be short. The local elections in May will show a crushing defeat for both Lib Dems and Conservatives and the road for them started going downhill from the first week.

It's supposed to be a democratic country so they have every right to protest. They won't feel like they're wasting their time because they are standing up for what they believe in and personally I wish people would start doing that more often - whether you agree with cuts or not, whether you agree with fascism or not etc etc

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Originally Posted by Inseriousity.

It's supposed to be a democratic country so they have every right to protest. They won't feel like they're wasting their time because they are standing up for what they believe in and personally I wish people would start doing that more often - whether you agree with cuts or not, whether you agree with fascism or not etc etc

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Would it be considered prissy to suggest they're cluttering up the place? :P It's all well and good for this to be a democratic country, but 9 times out of 10 this rubbish leads to violence; which is when problems start.
I just have a mental image of an American chap yesterday, watching pictures of London and thinking "oh what a state." Why don't they learn that protesting isn't going to shift the Governments choice? They were voted in power for a reason, let them do their job.