Do you think pornography is acceptable?

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14-10-2011, 06:13 PM
MKR&*42

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And..here come the quotes >.<

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Originally Posted by Mathew

Of course, children shouldn't be watching it; but that isn't the state's problem. You'd be nearer to the truth by saying the slight problem lies with the parents for not blocking such sites, or at least teaching them if it becomes a problem (although I would suggest that most children would know of it and click away).

Society is changing. People are changing. Attitudes are changing. You can't stop change because every day there's a new status quo. Let people make their own mind up about things rather than the state getting involved and holding our hands along the way.

1. The weakness in your point there is 'The problem lies with the parent for not blocking such sites'. Do you realise, how incredibly easy it is for a child to bypass a filter/remove a filter? For example, if a parent blocked all searches for 'porn' on all search engines - all the child needs to do, is to go into options and turn safe-search off.

Also, parental controls is easy to bypass. Not all websites are blocked by parental controls - if the parents want to type out every pornsite they wish to be blocked, then fine. But if they put .. idk "extreme protection" on web-searches -it won't always work. Parental controls is useless 99% of the time.

2. If you're going to say that the state shouldn't be involved about 'things'. Then, I'm sorry but that's almost impossible. Nearly every website on the internet monitors your information e.g. Facebook keeps data of every website you visit for a 9 month period... mhm. TV channels you watch are also monitored by 'people' - you have almost, no say in what the state get involved in... Especially if it's your own opinion.

What if a person decided "I feel like murdering people today instead of watching porn" ...would you want the state involved then? Both of those situations involve a persons choice, the state won't allow everyone to make every choice they want :S

3. Attitudes may be changing, but do you really want to follow these attitudes? Who knows, in 200 years time - Prostitution may become a 'hobby' for every person in the future... (I'm not saying that's going to actually happen -_-)

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Originally Posted by Publicised

i would now say rather than a primary function, breeding is now the secondary function of sexual intercourse.

the most bizarre thing i find is when people in relationships have problems with their partners watching pornography. why?! i don't get it.

i think it can be quite educational really hahahaha.

you sound a bit uptight, maybe you should have a tug.

1. ... Wow at the last sentence.
2. 'Educational' - Ok then.
3. I think people in a relationship would have a problem with their 'other half' watching porn because.. well If I was married to someone, I don't she'd like the thought of me jacking off to some other woman on the internet would she? Basically, if you want to watch porn of some other woman whilst in a serious relationship - then they shouldn't even be in a relationship. If you've clearly got a connection with a man/woman then you'd surely want to be faithful and loving towards them... not imply "Oh, you're not beautiful IMO, so I'm gonna watch some naked stranger online".

Basically, if you're married/in a serious relationship and only care about how attractive a man/woman is and how excited you get by jacking off to them. Then tbh, you shouldn't be in that relationship - you should be a promiscuous man/woman if that's what "floats your boat".

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Originally Posted by Inseriousity.

Something to do to pass the time. As long as people are aware that it's not real, it's fine. It's when people have horribly misguided views over what a female/male should look like based on what they've seen in pornography that it becomes unacceptable but this is just a negative consequence to something that people are naturally going to do whether you ban it or not. If you banned it, there'd just be a blackmarket trade of dirty dvds and magazines.

Don't really have much to pick out here except about the 'black-market trade' thing. I agree that it would definitely cause that, but it would limit the number of people who actually viewed porn - I don't think every single person has an interest in buying (if banned) banned magazines and dvds.

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Originally Posted by Oleh

As scientific studies reveal "rubbing the johnson" is a method of reducing the risk of testicular cancer, porn is all the more useful in today's society.

As porn is just as useful as a sex education video, it is a good thing. It can educate randy teens how to have intercourse properly, do everything safely and of course, know which profession to move into.

porn cannot tell you anything about china nor the outside worlds chatter about it, therefore isn't banned.

1. Loved the last sentence xL

2. 'Reducing the risk of cancer'. I'm sorry, but I'm sick of all these facts about 'blah blah reduces risk of cancer'. People who have been healthy all their life - lived a good lifestyle, still get cancer... it can be random! You can't purely base the chances of getting cancer on a few facts >.<

Example: Smoking increases chance of cancer, un-healthy lifestyle increases chance of dying early. Well my grandparents lived near a person who'd smoke sinced he was a teen, wasn't healthy throughout is life and wasn't that out-going. He lived to 100 .. he didn't die from cancer or any other terminal illness.

3. Porn does not bring up 'safe views'... Enough said. You don't see some woman on a porn video going "Now, always remember to put a condom on when having sex, and to see your dr. immediately if you have signs of an STI/STD", do you...

4. Fine, I agree that it can give 'information' about sex positions to 'randy teens'.. Don't see why they need to be that interested at 13-16. I'm pretty sure, that most people would want the "missionary" position when first having sex, they don't need to learn how to have 69 properly.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

As sympathetic to your arguments as I am, being conservative myself, I cannot support the state banning what is essentially something that is not the business of the state. I would however, in a question to Matthew among others who are now using the 'state cant stop me' card which is all very well and good - but do you have the same stance on the fox hunting ban, the smoking ban and so on? if so, like myself, you think all these ought to be repealed then we are in agreement on the principle that the state should keep its nose out of our business and your argument is sound and principled.

If not, well, i'd have to say you're talking complete rubbish.

Sex Education has failed utterly - since Sex Education was introduced we've had more abortion, more teenage pregnancy and more disease. Sex Education was never about 'educating', it was always about demoralising society - personally I find it shows just how sick we are as a country, that we now show primary school children how to have sex.

Not much to say here either - I agree that Sex Education is that useful. But I don't think that turning to porn is a suitable solution at all, I'd rather have someone with experience e.g. a doctor (IDK?) tell me how to have sex safely. Not some teacher who knows **** all, apart from what the government force-feed them.

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

I think you need to clarify whether your issue is with porn in general and whether or not it should be socially acceptable, or whether the issue is of underage viewers of pornography - as both are ultimately very seperate issues.

As many people have already said - obviously you are entitled to your own opinion and if you dislike porn or what you think it stands for then nobody is making you watch it and so it shouldn't be a part of your life. However, similairly if people do wish to watch it for personal stimulation then it should ultimately be up to that individual and no-one else should have the authority to tell someone what they can and can't do. Of course - illegal subject matters are outwith this and obviously porn containing minors etc. is a completely different issue.

I think you need to realise that the sort of personality and attitudes you have are ultimately the minority in our society. That is not an issue and is perfectly acceptable - however you need to put these opinions in a realistic context also. You mention how outrageous it is that young people can view pornography at such a young age and use it to get off.

However, whether you like it or not society is sexualised now - and from roughyl the age of 13 and upwards kids these days are constantly thinking about sex and are curious about their bodies and what they can do with them. Surely it's better for their health, development and general safety that they can access pornography if it gives them a safe means of exlporation as opposed to actually going out and doing it?

I think it is clear from other posts you have made that you personally have a low sex drive and are simply not interested in sexual relations with anyone. However - as I said to you before, it is my strong opinion that this will change. Ultimately you have been put on this earth to reproduce and that is your sole purpose. I think you are simply not at a stage of sexual maturity yet in which you are having physical attractions or urges to explore any element of sex or what your body can do. I promise you - whether you think it now or don't want it to, it will come. (Pardon the pun).

Don't get me wrong - some people do have low sex drives and lead happy lives and don't have much sex, however - it is the same principle of a child. Most kids don't ever think really of sex in a serious manner or have any physical urges to experiment until their body is at a stage of maturity and they become curious. Perhaps your development in this area is simply in the latter in comparison to your peers - and this is why you are finding your views so different from others.

Ultimately - to summarise, I think your views are perfectly acceptible but simply unrealistic. You may have a understandable dislike for pornography and the way in which it is now embedded within society - but ultimately you simply cannot get away from the fact that you are living in a sexualised society within which the citizens are sexually active and the children of today are curious about their bodies and development.

I simply put it to you - would you not rather that the kids of today can experiment in a safe environment using porn rather than finding people who they can carry acts out with and experiment in person and ultimately risk their own health and safety, or worse yet increasing their risk of becoming pregnant and therefore becoming a bigger burdon on the state overall?

I don't really have much to add here :L

1. I don't think the point about 'experimenting' is still valid. Right, so I understand that some teenagers genuinely are interested in finding out about sex but the majority are just doing it as a hobby/for fun. I don't think you'd learn much - jacking off to the same thing every day X_x Also, in regards to pregnancy - well they shouldn't experiment until they're in a proper relationship... or if they want to be promiscuous, then they need to try and be as safe as possible if they don't want to become pregnant (for women).

2. My issue is with all porn in general - Including children who watch porn. I don't see why people find it socially acceptable for anyone to watch porn (inc. children) not just specifically kids.

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Originally Posted by Camy

1) I'll agree with you on this, I remember when i started secondary and people used to always say things like: 'have a good **** last night?' etc. Just annoyed me at the time, being 11/12, told them where to go.

2) I think it's up to the parents, if they don't want them seeing it, they should put measures in place on their computers, if not, then well it's their choice. That's generally the age teenagers start puberty? So if they want to experiment, I don't see the harm. I didn't see anything until I was 13/14, but I know other people had seen it at 11/12, I just waited until I felt ready for it. And having thought's of them watching it? Why would you be doing that...

3) In my opinion, pornography is fine, a good thing, it let's you explore things without having to do anything stupid, and can make you more comfortable with your sexuality.
I'm trying to understand why/how you find it all so disgusting, but I just can't.
It also relieves alot of stress too.

"I don't see why pornography doesn't deserve a world-wide ban, if you really want to get stimulated 1. You have an imagination or 2. Wait for a partner." - Seriously? This is the kind of attitude that annoys me, just because you don't enjoy it, or a group of people don't enjoy it, doesn't mean you have the right to try and ruin things for everyone else. Just stay clear of it.

I've sort of explained everything you mentioned already, so just take a look at everything below the other quotes ^_^.

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Originally Posted by Publicised

I don't know if educational is the right word.

Well, in that situation - you should have said; "It can make people more confident in regards to sex". I've already argued about that btw.

Ok, that's most of the quotes - the rest.. didn't really need a reply :L
14-10-2011, 06:34 PM
Oleh

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Originally Posted by Wazzervaldez

1. Loved the last sentence xL

2. 'Reducing the risk of cancer'. I'm sorry, but I'm sick of all these facts about 'blah blah reduces risk of cancer'. People who have been healthy all their life - lived a good lifestyle, still get cancer... it can be random! You can't purely base the chances of getting cancer on a few facts >.<

Example: Smoking increases chance of cancer, un-healthy lifestyle increases chance of dying early. Well my grandparents lived near a person who'd smoke sinced he was a teen, wasn't healthy throughout is life and wasn't that out-going. He lived to 100 .. he didn't die from cancer or any other terminal illness.

Facts are named Facts for a reason.. Because they are Fact. and to correct my point it can be both Testicular and Prostate. Yes you are true, because cancer can attack at any time, but what I said was "reduces the risk" and that was used in the same context as apples "faster internet" tagline on the iphone 4s.
14-10-2011, 07:29 PM
Ardemax

Apart from the downgrading to women and all that, I think it's ok for someone to do what they like on the computer, as long as they don't bang on about it the next day.
14-10-2011, 07:48 PM
Camy

"What if a person decided "I feel like murdering people today instead of watching porn" ...would you want the state involved then?" - I don't get this, how has this got anything to do with porn. I very much doubt people that decide to murder people, type into google 'How to murder someone' then a solution comes up. But hey, I wouldn't be surprised.

"Both of those situations involve a persons choice, the state won't allow everyone to make every choice they want :S" That's not really the way things work though, you've always got the choice, even with murder. Most normal people know not to murder people, the state just put in place consequences incase people do decide to do it. Blocking sites takes away that choice, which just shouldn't happen.

"I think people in a relationship would have a problem with their 'other half' watching porn because.. well If I was married to someone, I don't she'd like the thought of me jacking off to some other woman on the internet would she? Basically, if you want to watch porn of some other woman whilst in a serious relationship - then they shouldn't even be in a relationship. If you've clearly got a connection with a man/woman then you'd surely want to be faithful and loving towards them... not imply "Oh, you're not beautiful IMO, so I'm gonna watch some naked stranger online"." - If you're in a serious relationship, I'm pretty sure the trust would be there, things would get stale after a while of being together, and sometimes maybe their partner wouldn't be in the mood. I doubt they would think 'jacking off' over someone else is equal to being unfaithful, or implying they didn't find them attractive. I guess some people would but, I still feel we should always have that choice.

"Basically, if you're married/in a serious relationship and only care about how attractive a man/woman is and how excited you get by jacking off to them. Then tbh, you shouldn't be in that relationship - you should be a promiscuous man/woman if that's what "floats your boat"." - Implying 'jacking off' is some big thing, equal to cheating. It's just not.

"Don't really have much to pick out here except about the 'black-market trade' thing. I agree that it would definitely cause that, but it would limit the number of people who actually viewed porn - I don't think every single person has an interest in buying (if banned) banned magazines and dvds." - Quite possibly it would, but why should the choice be taken away. Why does it bother you so much if that's what people like to do in their own time?

"Not much to say here either - I agree that Sex Education is that useful. But I don't think that turning to porn is a suitable solution at all, I'd rather have someone with experience e.g. a doctor (IDK?) tell me how to have sex safely. Not some teacher who knows **** all, apart from what the government force-feed them." Someone with experience? WHAT? Implying all teachers are virgins? OK.

"I don't think the point about 'experimenting' is still valid. Right, so I understand that some teenagers genuinely are interested in finding out about sex but the majority are just doing it as a hobby/for fun. I don't think you'd learn much - jacking off to the same thing every day X_x " Hahahaha, there's a whole world of different porn out there, women/men of all shapes and sizes and into different things, 80% or a crazy percentage of the internet is porn, so it's hardly the same thing every day, and definitely does let people experiment.

"My issue is with all porn in general - Including children who watch porn. I don't see why people find it socially acceptable for anyone to watch porn (inc. children) not just specifically kids." That's just my main point really, it's not so much socially acceptable, it's just something people enjoy. The only time people brag about it/make it a big thing, is in school, guys just trying to do each other etc.

I'm trying to understand your point of view, but it's just so different from my own, I'm having trouble.
14-10-2011, 10:45 PM
The Don

lol at the comparison between murdering people and watching porn. Watching porn doesn't affect anyone besides the individual viewing it.
14-10-2011, 11:16 PM
beth

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

Apart from the downgrading to women and all that, I think it's ok for someone to do what they like on the computer, as long as they don't bang on about it the next day.

i think the word yr looking for is degrading and it isn't degrading to women. i find it empowering, but that's a whole different argument.
15-10-2011, 11:05 AM
Wig44.

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Originally Posted by Publicised

i think the word yr looking for is degrading and it isn't degrading to women. i find it empowering, but that's a whole different argument.

It's pretty degrading in my eyes..
15-10-2011, 11:14 AM
MKR&*42

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Originally Posted by Wig44.

It's pretty degrading in my eyes..

I'd have to agree... unless a woman likes the viewpoint that their body is purely for sex/pleasure?

and I don't think they do...if I went and asked a woman now, if she'd like my view that 'the female body is just for sex' she'd prob. slap me? XL
15-10-2011, 12:28 PM
AgnesIO

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Originally Posted by Wazzervaldez

I'd have to agree... unless a woman likes the viewpoint that their body is purely for sex/pleasure?

and I don't think they do...if I went and asked a woman now, if she'd like my view that 'the female body is just for sex' she'd prob. slap me? XL

You do realise not all porn is females..?
15-10-2011, 12:35 PM
MKR&*42

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Originally Posted by Marketing

You do realise not all porn is females..?

I know it's not all women. The majority of it is though - and I was only discussing how degrading it is for women, I didn't mention males.

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