Poppy Burners Banned

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Well actually you can if they are being downright offensive. It is called breach of the peace.

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But to many this poppy burning may not offend them, therefore why is it being banned? you just cannot accept the fact that if people have controversial opinions that if you disagree with them you should debate them rather than silence them.

The views of EU federalists anger me (or offend if you like) who argue this country ought to be abolished, should I be able to silence them?

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

But you believe in capital punishment?

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Before you start, i'm against the killing of the innocent - not the guilty. Aborted children have not committed a crime, have not been given a trial by jury, have not been given a defence and have not been given an appeal - that is the difference between abortion and the death penalty.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Also you are far too melodramatic by calling an embryo or unformed feotus 'an innocent human being'. Do you believe in vascetomy or sterilisation because they with your definition sperm or ova could be called 'innocent human beings'.

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I'm afraid they are human beings, the same species - they are a person because they are fertilised, unlike sperm.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Do you believe that a gay person has the right to be married. No I don't think you do.

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I do, I believe people should be allowed to sign a contract between themselves and call it what they want.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

It would be fair enough if you said that you believed in some things not others but blanketing in 'freedom' as you do is bizarre as it is only freedom when it suits you.

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The cases are very clear, I explained gay marriage above for example but you've just ignored it.

By the way, as a moderator, mind if I post a picture of an aborted 'fetus'? if its only a bunch of cells then it surely won't matter?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

We are talking about human beings here and not animals or trees, but if your so keen on abortion why don't you go on Google for around an hour and just have a look at the abortion methods (such as cracking open a skull with a pair of metal grippers and then sucking out the 'fetus' which has human DNA and human functions) along with how abortions are performed (for example abortion doctors do not refer to the body parts because that would make it plain as to what they are doing, instead they refer to body parts as 'a' and 'b' etc).

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I am aware it's not exactly pretty but:

a) It's safer than a metal hanger
b) They don't refer to the exact parts for everyone's benefit and technical correctness (Not fully formed etc.)

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Agreed, or the government - so remove both out of marriage and let Churches/places of registery decide what they want to call 'marriage'.

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Well, I agree, but removing government from the equation would probably take a bit longer because of all the legal ties (E.g. taxes when married etc.)

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

But to many this poppy burning may not offend them, therefore why is it being banned? you just cannot accept the fact that if people have controversial opinions that if you disagree with them you should debate them rather than silence them.

The views of EU federalists anger me (or offend if you like) who argue this country ought to be abolished, should I be able to silence them?

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In the good old days, Dan when freedom what freedom under the magna carta etc etc etc they would have been executed for treason. I don't know where you get all this from as people used to be executed for their religion or even looking the wrong way. What you are after is just downright anarchy. That's my view.

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Before you start, i'm against the killing of the innocent - not the guilty. Aborted children have not committed a crime, have not been given a trial by jury, have not been given a defence and have not been given an appeal - that is the difference between abortion and the death penalty.
I'm afraid they are human beings, the same species - they are a person because they are fertilised, unlike sperm.

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Well interestingly you are saying that a guilty man/woman (which may later to have been proved a miscarriage of justice) has no rights but an embryo or feotus which has no rights in law and is not considered to be a human being in law until it is born should have full rights?
Also their legal status is no different to ova or sperm.

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By the way, as a moderator, mind if I post a picture of an aborted 'fetus'? if its only a bunch of cells then it surely won't matter?

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You have to remember the abortion laws only allow it to a certain number of weeks in this country and a lot these pictures are produced by christian fundamentalists are of very late abortions in different countries. Obviously they would be very distressing. You should therefore be very careful of what you are posting.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

I am aware it's not exactly pretty but:

a) It's safer than a metal hanger
b) They don't refer to the exact parts for everyone's benefit and technical correctness (Not fully formed etc.)

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Actually they refer to the parts because its uncomfortable to describe exactly what they are doing, as they would in any other operation - we know its a human being yet we pretend its not for our own comfort. It has been the same throughout history whenever somebody wishes to justify killing on baseless grounds; they [usually sinister regimes] dehumanise it in order to kill it.

Read accounts I urge you, I supported abortion until I could no longer deny to myself (after weeks of studying the topic) that what is within the womb is not a 'fetus', its a child - hence why when a woman is willingly pregnant she refers to her 'baby'.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

Well, I agree, but removing government from the equation would probably take a bit longer because of all the legal ties (E.g. taxes when married etc.)

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Not long at all, remove taxation from marriage at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

In the good old days, Dan when freedom what freedom under the magna carta etc etc etc they would have been executed for treason. I don't know where you get all this from as people used to be executed for their religion or even looking the wrong way. What you are after is just downright anarchy. That's my view.

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I'm not looking for anarchy at all, I trust the people and the individual; the shop keepers knows how to run his butchers best, not mandarins in Whitehall or Brussels. The teacher knows best how to teach, not the mandarins in Whitehall or Brussels - and so forth.

With the poppy burning i'd ask again, why can't I silence the offensive views of EU federalists by force?

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Well interestingly you are saying that a guilty man/woman (which may later to have been proved a miscarriage of justice) has no rights but an embryo or feotus which has no rights in law and is not considered to be a human being in law until it is born should have full rights?

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Indeed it should have, but the point on a miscarriage of justice is moot - thats another argument against the death penalty, not against abortion - the deal is simple, the death penalty punishes the guilty after a trial by jury, a defence hearing and an appeal whereas abortion punishes the innocent with none of the above in place.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Also their legal status is no different to ova or sperm.

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Which is what i'm disputing.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

You have to remember the abortion laws only allow it to a certain number of weeks in this country and a lot these pictures are produced by christian fundamentalists are of very late abortions in different countries. Obviously they would be very distressing. You should therefore be very careful of what you are posting.

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Up to what week can I can post pictures of the 'bundle of cells' then?

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I'm not looking for anarchy at all, I trust the people and the individual; the shop keepers knows how to run his butchers best, not mandarins in Whitehall or Brussels. The teacher knows best how to teach, not the mandarins in Whitehall or Brussels - and so forth.

With the poppy burning i'd ask again, why can't I silence the offensive views of EU federalists by force?

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What offensive views? Where do they go marching and burning poppies calling us infidels and calling british soldiers unmentionable things? In that case I would support banning Brian Hitchens and Nick Griffin whose views I find offensive. You would support banning all spokesmen of the major parties as you find their views offensive. This not an argument with any substance.

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Indeed it should have, but the point on a miscarriage of justice is moot - thats another argument against the death penalty, not against abortion - the deal is simple, the death penalty punishes the guilty after a trial by jury, a defence hearing and an appeal whereas abortion punishes the innocent with none of the above in place.
Which is what i'm disputing.

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We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. It is only a problem that a woman has and a very emotive subject which with respect, I do not believe a man would understand, and I prefer to believe the legal definition and until this has been disproven rather than the emotional one that labels an embryo or fetus as a human being from conception. I only agree with abortion to the limits of the law within the UK.

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Up to what week can I can post pictures of the 'bundle of cells' then?

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It is not up to me to dictate what you post. You can post any pictures you like provided they comply with the rules remembering this is a habbo fansite.

That is the end of that one, until next year when they reform.

Good decision to ban them though by Theresa May.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

What offensive views? Where do they go marching and burning poppies calling us infidels and calling british soldiers unmentionable things? In that case I would support banning Brian Hitchens and Nick Griffin whose views I find offensive. You would support banning all spokesmen of the major parties as you find their views offensive. This not an argument with any substance.

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And EU federalists go around saying how our nation is nothing, has no future and that we should submit to a European superstate - many may find that offensive, if not downright totalitarian. So why is it that we can ban one viewpoint, but not the other viewpoint? All your argument hands upon is 'its offensive and unmentionable' - the same can be said for many other opinions, so again, why not ban them?

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

You would support banning all spokesmen of the major parties as you find their views offensive

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No I wouldn't because banning speech or expression is what i'm arguing against here, so under no circumstances would I support banning any speech or any expression from any group or individual. I am the biggest defender of our armed forces and their history on this forum, yet as fond as I am of the armed forces and our military I cannot under any circumstances agree to ban free speech and expression. [/quote]

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. It is only a problem that a woman has and a very emotive subject which with respect, I do not believe a man would understand, and I prefer to believe the legal definition and until this has been disproven rather than the emotional one that labels an embryo or fetus as a human being from conception. I only agree with abortion to the limits of the law within the UK.

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You are doing it again, pretending it is not a human being when it is one.


You dehumanise it in order to kill it.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

It is not up to me to dictate what you post. You can post any pictures you like provided they comply with the rules remembering this is a habbo fansite.

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I'm asking for clarification.

They could wear the White Poppies as a sign of remembering those who died in the conflict, and to put an end to current wars. It seems to be getting more recognisition lately than the Poppy Burner brigade.

Why are these ********s in our country? If this was 50 years ago, they'd be off to hospital or the morgue if they did something like this..

I actually hate religion. It's all a load of bul****

Thank goodness,disrespectful ********s