'Second hand smoke' myth

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Originally Posted by PrincessG

If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, I find it highly offensive that you're calling it a dirty habit.

Anyway, all three of the things you listed as "dirty habits" have no effects on anyone apart from the person who does them. SHS has proven effects on the people who inhale it.

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Why do you find me describing jerking off as a dirty habit 'offensive'? I am genuinely puzzled.

As for second hand smoking, please see the video for the one thousandeth time.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

So is consumption of fattyfoods, drinking alcohol, consuming high amounts of salt and consuming fooddyes.

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Which I choose to consume, people don't force that upon me,unlike smoking, so I fail to see the comparison?

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No it does not,please see the video and pay attention.

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I'm not going to listen to a biast propaganda video which you've linked me, I'm going to listen to all the health experts who disagree with it and also common sense.

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But watching a gaypride may have a mental negative effect on me even a physical effect by makingme feel sick watching (as I said before, I find it pornographic anddistatseful), so what about me? but essentially you've stated above that yourprime concern with smoking is the health of others.

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Suck it up; it isn't doing anything physical to you. Watching two men kiss each other won't give you lung cancer (I wouldn't be surprised if you tried to insinuate it did )

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So right now i'd like you to come out in favour of banningall consumption of alcohol in public places, all consumption of salts, allconsumption of fatty foods and so forth. Hey, why not go the whole hog and banit completely seeing as you know best?

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No because again, you drinking vodka next to me will not physically affect me, I would have to choose to drink alcohol as well to be affected which is down to my own free will, whereas when people smoke, free will is ignored as it removes choice regarding whether or not they are effected by the smoke, unless they walk out of the building, which is much more inconvenient considering there are more non-smokers than smokers and it's much more convenient for everyone if the smoker goes outside to a designated smoking zone.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

As for second hand smoking, please see the video for the one thousandeth time.

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It's fairly comical that people don't actually watch it before arguing (Still, not as bad as general management not bothering to read threads before making a comment which has already been countered..), but I seriously doubt the legitimacy of their claims and it seems they handpicked testimonies to prove their argument. There is also a lot of evidence for second hand smoking as being a cause and a trigger for asthma not just for being carcinogenic second hand.

Smoking is a filthy habit and one biased video does not disprove years of scientific research. Personally I feel smoking should be banned completely

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Why do you find me describing jerking off as a dirty habit 'offensive'? I am genuinely puzzled.

As for second hand smoking, please see the video for the one thousandeth time.

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Because it isn't a dirty habit.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

But watching a gay pride may have a mental negative effect on me even a physical effect by making me feel sick watching (as I said before, I find it pornographic and distatseful), so what about me?

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I don’t understand why you would bring even being gay up in an argument about SHS, but it must be because everyone can see your argument is false and you’re just clutching at straws.

Also, I suggest you read The Don's post very carefully because he's saying everything I'm thinking. :)

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Originally Posted by The Don

Which I choose to consume, people don't force that upon me,unlike smoking so I fail to see the comparison?

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You aren't forced to consume smoke.

You move away if somebody is smoking on certain premises. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by The Don

I'm not going to listen to a biast propaganda video whichyou've linked me, I'm going to listen to all the health experts who disagreewith it and also common sense.

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The video has the experts on it and show that the study which governments picked up on was discredited as complete and utter rubbish. But then don't let facts get in the way of an argument that you've been spoonfed by the media, the schools and by the general myth.

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Originally Posted by The Don

Suck it up; it isn't doing anything physical to you.Watching two men kiss each other won't give you lung cancer (I wouldn't be surprisedif you tried to insinuate it did )

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And passive smoking won't give you lung cancer either.

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Originally Posted by The Don

No because again, you drinking vodka next to me wouldn'tphysically affect me, I would have to choose to drink alcohol as well to beaffected which is down to my own free will, whereas when people smoke, peoplesfree will are ignored as they have no choice regarding whether or not they areeffected, unless they walk out of the building, which is much more inconvenientconsidering there are more non-smokers than smokers and it's much more convenientfor everyone if the smoker goes outside to a designated smoking zone.

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A free society isn't supposed to be convenient as a free society isn't ordered to the tastes of one individual.

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Originally Posted by Technologic

Smoking is a filthy habit and one biased video does not disprove years of scientific research. Personally I feel smoking should be banned completely

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The scientific research on the subject is bogus, anywho do you agree with banning fatty foods and alcohol? yes/no

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Originally Posted by PrincessG

I don’t understand why you would bring even being gay up in an argument about SHS, but it must be because everyone can see your argument is false and you’re just clutching at straws.

Also, I suggest you read The Don's post very carefully because he's saying everything I'm thinking.

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Because homosexuality is the perfect example of something that isn't viewed as negative by the younger generations (HxF) but is by the older generations, so i'm testing how this generation feels (along with homosexuals themselves on this forum) feel when I suggest that aspects of homosexuality ought to be banned based on how people feel about them rather than the rights of a free society coming first.

I don't even like smoking just as I don't like gay prides, but i'll defend both of them because its wrong to tell others how to live their lives.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewall

It's fairly comical that people don't actually watch it before arguing (Still, not as bad as general management not bothering to read threads before making a comment which has already been countered..), but I seriously doubt the legitimacy of their claims and it seems they handpicked testimonies to prove their argument. There is also a lot of evidence for second hand smoking as being a cause and a trigger for asthma not just for being carcinogenic second hand.

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Let's say even if it was harmful by second hand smoking (which its not), thats still not a reason to ban it because there are risks all around us.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

The video has the experts on it and show that the study which governments picked up on was discredited as complete and utter rubbish. But then don't let facts get in the way of an argument that you've been spoonfed by the media, the schools and by the general myth.

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They showed one study by the WHO to be erroneous out of quite a large amount of studies which agree that it's harmful and at many times they stated many things as fact without evidence.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

You aren't forced to consume smoke.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

You move away if somebody is smoking on certain premises.

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I've already mentioned, it's much more convenient for a smoker to go outside

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The video has theexperts on it and show that the study which governments picked up on wasdiscredited as complete and utter rubbish. But then don't let facts get in theway of an argument that you've been spoonfed by the media, the schools and bythe general myth.

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Pretty much what technologic said...

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And passive smokingwon't give you lung cancer either.

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Read above ^

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The scientificresearch on the subject is bogus, anywho do you agree with banning fatty foodsand alcohol? yes/no

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Did you not read my response to that stupid comparison the first time around?

Do you touch yourself at night? yes/no

Anyways, second hand smoke makes my clothes stink and that's more than enough reason to ban it.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

They showed one study by the WHO to be erroneous out of quite a large amount of studies which agree that it's harmful and at many times they stated many things as fact without evidence.

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Of which the WHO is accepted as the main platform of the science, just as the debunked IPCC is with global warming. All myths eventually fall apart just as global warming just has over the past year, this myth however concerning second hand smoke is still at its height.

But in time it will fall as they all do.

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Originally Posted by The Don

I've already mentioned, it's much more convenient for asmoker to go outside

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Then thats up to the pub owner who will decide based on what is good for his business which he owns.

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Originally Posted by The Don

Did you not read my response to that stupid comparison thefirst time around?

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You brought up health, you truly do not care about health (as the video states, the anti-smoking lobby will often bang on about health in the patronising manner to pretend its good vs evil) as you aren't willing to protect people from themselves in terms of alcohol consumption etc.

Next time, don't pretend that you care.

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Originally Posted by Technologic

Anyways, second hand smoke makes my clothes stink and that's more than enough reason to ban it.

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Could you answer the question.