Gender-based abortions: right or wrong?

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Originally Posted by karter

And you're saying this because you're male. Typical.

A woman has a moral right to decide what to do with their bodies, you ain't influencing her decision buddy because you aren't the one holding a child in your womb for 9 months. It's her decision and [B]hers only.

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She consented to sex and believe it or not (shock horror) sex actually often leads to you falling pregnant. See, that's why humans crave sex.. to reproduce. If women don't want the risk of falling pregnant, then maybe they should keep their legs shut and turn irresponsible males away?

That'd be personal responsibility. A strange concept today I know, but yeah.

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Originally Posted by karter

Pregnancy disrupts a woman's life, her job, deteriorates her health and often harms the body. Excuse me but no one gave you the right to tell what's right and what's wrong. The fetus is in the mother's womb not yours.

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As above.

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Originally Posted by karter

Regarding the 'you're killing life' argument. We can't say if a fetus is a human being or not, it's a bunch of cells which cannot survive outside the uterus. Yeah sure, it could grow into a human being. But so can the millions of sperms and thousands of eggs in the male and female body. Looking at your perspective, if we use contraceptives we actually kill life. If you have a fetus in one hand and a new born baby in another and you have to drop one of them then you'll obviously choose the baby. Why? because the baby is living but the fetus well, biologically yes, but otherwise not.

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So can you all define for us (which science has not been able to do) when a 'foetus' becomes a human being or a baby please. Not a vague answer, the exact timing - and then we can all shut up about abortion and go about our business.

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Originally Posted by karter

I am honestly done with men who think they have a shot at winning this argument bc in the end the choice is a woman's. All you can do is sit and judge from the distance

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Oh so I don't get to have a say on individual rights because I have a penis. Oh right.

That's akin to saying I can't have an opinion on the Holocaust because i'm not Jewish, Gay or Slavic.

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Originally Posted by karter

On topic, I think it is wrong and gender based abortion is even banned in my country. Abortion should be done only if the mother is not ready (whether financially, mentally or health wise)

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Then why didn't she think about those things which are so important to her before she engaged in sex?

Actually, contraception is used to prevent pregnancy, it makes sure sperm can't enter to fertilise the egg. So you aren't killing anything by using contraception.

I am a woman and I see so many genuine people who try and try and just can't have kids. THen you hear about abortion, it is wrong. You said that abortion should be done if the mother is not ready; there are so many other options to this. Give the baby up for adoption.

You said that women have a right to decide what they do with their bodies, which is correct. If they know they aren't ready for a baby, use precautions.

Your argument of shaming the mother for having sex is so horribly ****** up, I am feeling nauseous that a person is actually using this dumb ****** excuse in a debate. Even in a heavily religion influenced and male dominated country like mine, this excuse is not valid.

She had sex without protection. Wow, shocker. She got pregnant (oops! bad move) Now she'll have to live 9 months caring for the child she doesn't want. This may ruin her career, her health forever. Oh well she deserves it right, she had sex. She was so irresponsible that she deserves a huge responsibility as punishment. Yay!

I'm going to say this one last time, the womb isn't yours, the choice isn't yours. Men don't have a say in this because all along for centuries they've pressurized women to do what they think is right but not this time, this time the choice is the mother's. Because it's her body, not yours.

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What you expect is every pregnant woman should carry their pregnancy to term. If she is not ready for the responsibility, she should put the child for adoption. Great. Now what if these unexpected pregnancies don't go so well? What if it has a permanent effect on the mother's life and even the new born's life? What if the new born does not get a healthy environment. That's multiple lives ruined just to save a cluster of cells. You're willing to risk all that just to save a cluster of cells.

Here's some facts you need to learn

• - children throughout the world are killed, severely injured, displaced, & lose family members due to wars/conflict/drones
• - thousands of children are in foster homes/wait in orphanages to be adopted for years
• - many of these children are never adopted
• - children of color/disabled children have a lower chance of being adopted
• - thousands of children live in poverty

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Originally Posted by -Moniquee.

Actually, contraception is used to prevent pregnancy, it makes sure sperm can't enter to fertilise the egg. So you aren't killing anything by using contraception.

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According to your logic, yes you are, because sperms and eggs are potential babies.

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I am a woman and I see so many genuine people who try and try and just can't have kids. THen you hear about abortion, it is wrong. You said that abortion should be done if the mother is not ready; there are so many other options to this. Give the baby up for adoption.

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You're seriously not using that excuse here. Just because someone isn't able to conceive doesn't mean that the choice to abort should be taken away. This is honestly the most stupid logic ever

Read my post above if you think the adoption system is efficient

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Originally Posted by -Moniquee.

You said that women have a right to decide what they do with their bodies, which is correct. If they know they aren't ready for a baby, use precautions.

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Sometimes people make mistakes, sometimes precautions don't work. The responsibility of a baby for a woman who was not responsible according to you just doesn't add up, sorry.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

That's akin to saying I can't have an opinion on the Holocaust because i'm not Jewish, Gay or Slavic.

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You do have an opinion unless you are speaking against them

If an egg hasn't been fertilised it isn't living. If you truly understand the facts you just sent then why should people be killing more people?
Adoption agencies generally ensure all children are adopted to good families before letting the child go. SURROGACY also allows the child to be switched parents at birth so it wouldn't know any different. Don't you think it is fair for a child to live a life they deserve?
If you think children of colour/ disability have a lower chance of being adopted you are WRONG. I always see on the news that people have adopted a child with a disability of a certain race.
If the woman or couple isn't ready to have a baby then she shouldn't be engaging in sex. SIMPLE AS THAT.
If you think abortion is okay, then shame on you. You are killing the future generation.
Abortion is murder of a defenceless child. It is actually disgraceful that in the 21st century people still think that it is okay to abort an unborn child.
TO SUM IT ALL UP, IF YOU CAN'T LOOK AFTER A CHILD KEEP YOUR LEGS SHUT!
@karter

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Oh i didn't read the post above that. You think that womens health is affected when she falls pregnant? Well an abortion leads to worse health problems than pregnancy could ever lead to. An abortion leads to an increase in breast cancer and could also potentially lead to future miscarriages and problems with conceiving.
I think you need to look at the health issues associated with abortion and re-think your opinion.
@karter

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Originally Posted by -Moniquee.

If an egg hasn't been fertilised it isn't living. If you truly understand the facts you just sent then why should people be killing more people?
Adoption agencies generally ensure all children are adopted to good families before letting the child go. SURROGACY also allows the child to be switched parents at birth so it wouldn't know any different. Don't you think it is fair for a child to live a life they deserve?
If you think children of colour/ disability have a lower chance of being adopted you are WRONG. I always see on the news that people have adopted a child with a disability of a certain race.
If the woman or couple isn't ready to have a baby then she shouldn't be engaging in sex. SIMPLE AS THAT.
If you think abortion is okay, then shame on you. You are killing the future generation.
Abortion is murder of a defenceless child. It is actually disgraceful that in the 21st century people still think that it is okay to abort an unborn child.
TO SUM IT ALL UP, IF YOU CAN'T LOOK AFTER A CHILD KEEP YOUR LEGS SHUT!
@karter

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I am not repeating my points, just read my post above

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If you think children of colour/ disability have a lower chance of being adopted you are WRONG. I always see on the news that people have adopted a child with a disability of a certain race.

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Ah yes, because a girl from a first world country has seen couples adopting children from other races, the fact is overshadowed that there are millions of orphaned children in Africa and Asia. Sorry to break the bubble of your utopian world. Let's say in Australia the system is perfect (when actually it isn't) but it's not in many countries

Too bad a woman could not keep 'her legs shut' now she is forced to keep a child in her womb that she doesn't want. Nice logic

If Abortion is the murder of a defenceless child then anti abortion laws are oppressive and cruel to women who do not want to bear children. You're right. The only thing which is disgraceful here is your ****** excuses which make no sense in real life.

The heartbreak women go through when they have a Miscarriage makes me ponder why the heck they would even think to have an abortion, My ex-girlfriend had two Miscarriages and at no time before those unfortunate events did we think of abortion even though in a particular time it would of been a challenge.

I understand people are after the perfect baby but that does come along with gender.

@-Moniquee.

According to World Health Organization's 2005 report:

Major Maternal death causes were

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severe bleeding/hemorrhage (25%)
infections (13%)
unsafe abortions (13%), eclampsia (12%), obstructed labour (8%), other direct causes (8%), and indirect causes (20%). Indirect causes are malaria, anaemia,^[3]HIV/AIDS, and cardiovascular disease, all of which may complicate pregnancy or be aggravated by it.

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Emphasis on "unsafe" abortions.

tl;dr
Personal Opinion - Abortion is extremely wrong, I think if a woman is raped or otherwise she should have the baby and if wishes to give it up for adoption should do so, I personally have a half sister that I have never met the reason being my mum made a mistake and got pregnant at the age or 15 and personally she wanted the baby to have a mum and dad so gave it up for adoption, I do wish to meet my half sister and at one time was about to, but she canceled last minute to meet me and my brother. I can understand how it may be wrong and if someone is mentally challenged or is gay they could have a hardship of a life and no matter what you do or how you try to protect them things will happen to them because society has flaws and that will not change. My brother is gay and I know for a fact he has been bullied multiple times, but he moves on has a fine life and many friends, he is my brother and I love him. When you are aborting a baby coat hanger or otherwise you are ending something that could be life even if it has yet to develop at the age to have feelings or otherwise.

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Originally Posted by karter

@-Moniquee.

According to World Health Organization's 2005 report:

Major Maternal death causes were



Emphasis on "unsafe" abortions.

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Well done you can certainly post 8 year old statistics never the less 13% is a high number.

Your logic makes no sense to me. You're saying that a womans health is affected, the abortion system isn't always positive and you are bringing up anti abortion laws which are 'oppressive'.
Well, in conclusion; abortion causes short and long- term health affects which is going to affect her more mentally, emotionally and physically than carrying a child would.
The adoption system these days is organising adoptions before the birth has even taken place, for other children, many find their homes within the first 3 months. They are fed and given attention, which to me is a lot better than being killed in the womb.
Anti abortion laws are enforced for a reason, just think about that.
Actually, today abortion is decreasing and hopefully in the future it will cease all together.

My argument is valid, makes sense and is logical. Therefore, I end my argument as you aren't bringing up any valid points.

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I laugh at your statistic on 'unsafe' abortion. Unsafe abortion is still an ABORTION. How is someone that wants to abort able to tell if it's going to be unsafe? I don't understand what point you were trying to prove here.