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13-12-2013, 12:12 PM
-:Undertaker:-

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Well I say that and I live in Middlesbrough, one of the most economically deprived areas in the country where the only league tables it's near the top are for unemployment, child poverty, alcohol-related illnesses etc. Competing for low skill jobs? What jobs?!! haha. That's more of a working class reality where I live!

Just seems a bit simplistic, one cliche of middle class life is that they're all left wing luvvies out of touch with the real world and the other cliche is that they're the daily mail readers right wingers who moan and moan about the country going to the dogs who look their noses down at those beneath them in the social ladder. It's a shame you resorted to such a simplistic attack!

As for the topic itself, who actually gets them lol

The point is that many MPs in the Commons today are the kind of people who are completely insulated from normal life - since the grammar schools were abolished, this has increasingly become the case... just look at the Conservative Party hierarchy under Cameron to cite one example. The problem is this, that many of these people when younger led lives in prosperous places like Islington in London where it's pretty easy to get a coffee shop job even when competiting against low skilled immigrants. Therefore, when other people in less advantaged areas complain about this - they are met with howls and chants of 'racist' and 'bigot' despite the fact they are voicing genuine concerns.

And that's the problem on a range of issues, they're totally insulated in the lives they (mainly) lead in the wealthy capital. I don't think it's fair that British people are denied work in place of migrant workers whereas the politicians and their corporate backers do. Who's right?

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Originally Posted by Payasam

I should point out whilst I am a Telegraph reader, I am yet to read the Guardian. Furthermore, I don't think I've ever read the Observer. But nice assumptions. The Daily Mail? Worst paper in Britain after the Sun and Daily Star.

Nigel Farage does it for PR just like the others, anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. I would hardly call someone who worked as a stock broker and went to public school a standard bloke in Britain, so he really hasn't had a different life than many Politicians.

Indeed, he's been a lucky chap going to a private school in Kent - absolutely. The reason why he has more of a common touch though is the fact that he has had a real job whereas the other three haven't ... all Clegg, Cameron and Miliband have known is politics.

And that's why they don't stand for anything really and he does - and that doesn't mean you have to agree with him. You know, it's like Margaret Thatcher and Tony Benn: whichever side of the political spectrum you stand on, at least people admired them for their principled positions rather than pandering to everybody and anybody. Farage is the same, love him or loathe him you at least know what he stands for.

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Originally Posted by Payasam

Also, we all know you despise the BBC - however it is a trusted news source across the country

So? I don't trust it and therefore don't pay any attention to it. It's as simple as that. If you like the BBC then sure, keep using it. But don't hound the rest of us who hate the way it twists the truth just in a more clever way than the newspapers (of both left and right) do.

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Originally Posted by Payasam

that doesn't have constant articles telling us how "30m Eastern Europeans are going to be coming in 2014"...

Nobody to my knowledge has claimed this, it's a figment of your imagination. What has been claimed (by mainly the Express, Mail and UKIP) is this: that on January 1st 2014, we're opening the borders to 29m Romanians and Bulgarians as they will be entitled to free movement around the EU like other EU member states are.

That is a statement of fact.
13-12-2013, 05:32 PM
AgnesIO

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Indeed, he's been a lucky chap going to a private school in Kent - absolutely. The reason why he has more of a common touch though is the fact that he has had a real job whereas the other three haven't ... all Clegg, Cameron and Miliband have known is politics.

And that's why they don't stand for anything really and he does - and that doesn't mean you have to agree with him. You know, it's like Margaret Thatcher and Tony Benn: whichever side of the political spectrum you stand on, at least people admired them for their principled positions rather than pandering to everybody and anybody. Farage is the same, love him or loathe him you at least know what he stands for.

Being a broker is a fairly privileged job; hardly a "normal" job. Bit like saying "fat cat" bankers are in "normal" jobs. Sorry, but whether you like Farage or not, he simply isn't the typical British man.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

So? I don't trust it and therefore don't pay any attention to it. It's as simple as that. If you like the BBC then sure, keep using it. But don't hound the rest of us who hate the way it twists the truth just in a more clever way than the newspapers (of both left and right) do.

Ironically, I would argue that you are the one who hounds us for relying on the BBC; I don't hound you for not using it - I may hound you for relying on certain newspapers that are nothing more than jumped up versions of "the Sun" (ie. Daily Mail).

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Nobody to my knowledge has claimed this, it's a figment of your imagination. What has been claimed (by mainly the Express, Mail and UKIP) is this: that on January 1st 2014, we're opening the borders to 29m Romanians and Bulgarians as they will be entitled to free movement around the EU like other EU member states are.

That is a statement of fact.

But the way certain news sources are publishing it is as if we can expected a vast majority of their population to fly over on the 1st of January. I still stand by the fact that the vast number of jobs that Eastern Europeans end up in are totally unskilled jobs that many British people have this bizarre thing against ("I'm not doing that job").
13-12-2013, 07:40 PM
-:Undertaker:-

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Originally Posted by Payasam

Being a broker is a fairly privileged job; hardly a "normal" job. Bit like saying "fat cat" bankers are in "normal" jobs. Sorry, but whether you like Farage or not, he simply isn't the typical British man.

But nobody denies he has had a lucky upbringing.

The point is, he's had a real job and the others haven't - all they've ever known is politics. That is why they are so out of touch. That is why increasingly people are leaving them in droves.

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Originally Posted by Payasam

Ironically, I would argue that you are the one who hounds us for relying on the BBC; I don't hound you for not using it - I may hound you for relying on certain newspapers that are nothing more than jumped up versions of "the Sun" (ie. Daily Mail).

Find me one example where i've commented on a thread somebody has posted saying something like 'OH YEAH THE BBC WOULD SAY THAT' like I get all the time when I post from the Daily Mail. +rep and a sticker if you can.

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Originally Posted by Payasam

But the way certain news sources are publishing it is as if we can expected a vast majority of their population to fly over on the 1st of January.

I haven't seen anything of the sort and i'm unsure whether you have to.

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I still stand by the fact that the vast number of jobs that Eastern Europeans end up in are totally unskilled jobs that many British people have this bizarre thing against ("I'm not doing that job").

In some cases - often though British people are discriminated against in favour of foreign workers who will work for under the minimum wage and the jobs are only being advertised abroad.

Either way, let's say a lot of Britons refuse to do the jobs - it's time to make them do the jobs for the sake of our future as a country. But if you keep letting hundreds of thousands of foreigners in to do those jobs, then Britons will continue to claim there is no work. And all this isn't mentioning what i've touched on here - that in the likes of London it's relatively easy for middle class kids to get restaurant/coffee shop jobs alongside the migrants, but in other parts of the country the British kids are being completely passed over.

Any sane country would make an effort to get it's young into work rather than importing hundreds of thousands of foreign workers to do it.

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