Christian preacher wins £13k after wrongful arrest for telling gay couple....

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Originally Posted by The Don

Re-read my post and explain how it is wrong and then I will reply. Love how you dismiss my point because you know it's true and cannot reply.

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You are avoiding the point.

You said how you hated preachers on the streets, but seemingly haven't a problem with gay parades. My point is that given the choice between having old men preach at me from their Bibles or gay men prancing up and down the streets wearing the bare minimum, I know which one i'd prefer. You obviously think different. And are they lauded as bastions of good? You answered that yourself when you tried to make some weak connection between prancing about in an exhibitionist way on public streets with the fight for equal treatment in law.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

why are the gays bothered about an old man reading from his Bible what the hell

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You didn't answer my question

from what I read the guy approached the couple initially so initiator = old guy with the bible

who did the unnecessary religious rant? old guy with the bible

why are you fired up by retaliation by the couple? it was harmless and i'd do the same? so much for free speech and free country!! when you can go and dehumanize anyone on the streets telling them they're sinners and what not..contrary to popular belief among socially conservative population, you can be an 'old guy with the bible' anywhere but when it comes to being a gay couple, a harmless relationship has to be questioned repeatedly. being a christian is not a hurdle. please stop

p.s: what's with the use of "the gays" while referring to homosexual people lol

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

You are avoiding the point.

You said how you hated preachers on the streets, but seemingly haven't a problem with gay parades. My point is that given the choice between having old men preach at me from their Bibles or gay men prancing up and down the streets wearing the bare minimum, I know which one i'd prefer. You obviously think different. And are they lauded as bastions of good? You answered that yourself when you tried to make some weak connection between prancing about in an exhibitionist way on public streets with the fight for equal treatment in law.

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Are you incapable of reading? I've answered your 'point' on page one (post #5). You've then replied with another point which I have yet again responded to (see how discussions evolve?). You then made yet another point

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It's largely a public display of sex and nudity which I regard as far worse than a preacher on the street reading out his Bible. But then again, in modern Britain it speaks volumes when gay pride parades (involving the stuff i've mentioned) are held as bastions of good and a man preaching from his Bible is deemed worthy of abuse and arrest. What a country we live in.

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Which I responded to with

Giving two incredibly bias and extreme examples from either side to somehow win an argument is an incredibly weak effort on your part. Are gay parades lauded and classed as 'bastions of good'? Are all preachers abused and arrested? The answer to both is a resounding no but of course let's not let the facts get in the way. The same way you act as if everybody attending a gay parade is bondage-cladded and sex crazed, more often than not this is not the case and using extremities does not make your argument stronger.

YOU then avoided the point by simply writing off my post with DON'T GIVE ME YOUR THEORIES (lol what?) and then accused me of avoiding the point when i've responded to every one of your posts in detail, the same can't be said for yourself and I am still waiting for a response to my paragraph above.

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Originally Posted by karter

You didn't answer my question

from what I read the guy approached the couple initially so initiator = old guy with the bible

who did the unnecessary religious rant? old guy with the bible

why are you fired up by retaliation by the couple? it was harmless and i'd do the same? so much for free speech and free country!! when you can go and dehumanize anyone on the streets telling them they're sinners and what not..contrary to popular belief among socially conservative population, you can be an 'old guy with the bible' anywhere but when it comes to being a gay couple, a harmless relationship has to be questioned repeatedly. being a christian is not a hurdle. please stop

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It's not the kissing I have a problem with, it's the fact they purposely went to a Police officer to intervene. That's low.

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Originally Posted by karter

p.s: what's with the use of "the gays" while referring to homosexual people lol

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It was the homosexual campaign groups which hijacked the word gay decades ago. Do they want to be called gay or homosexual?

If i'm honest I couldn't care less, but I thought I was being nice calling them what they want to be called. I can't win really, can I? :P

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Originally Posted by The Don

Are you incapable of reading? I've answered your 'point' on page one (post #5). You've then replied with another point which I have yet again responded to (see how discussions evolve?). You then made yet another point

Which I responded to with

Giving two incredibly bias and extreme examples from either side to somehow win an argument is an incredibly weak effort on your part. Are gay parades lauded and classed as 'bastions of good'? Are all preachers abused and arrested? The answer to both is a resounding no but of course let's not let the facts get in the way. The same way you act as if everybody attending a gay parade is bondage-cladded and sex crazed, more often than not this is not the case and using extremities does not make your argument stronger.

YOU then avoided the point by simply writing off my post with DON'T GIVE ME YOUR THEORIES (lol what?) and then accused me of avoiding the point when i've responded to every one of your posts in detail, the same can't be said for yourself and I am still waiting for a response to my paragraph above.

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No no no dear, that's you. You do it every time. You know exactly what i'm talking about - that Christians in this country are now being hounded by the media, law and homosexual campaign groups - simply because they happen to disagree with gay marriage and/or homosexuality itself. Instead, you do as you always do which is state the bleeding obvious that not everybody in a gay pride parade is wearing a gimp mask and skimpy undies - well really Einstein!!!? The point however still stands that whilst you may find street preachers annoying or detestable, I find the sight of gay parades with large amounts of men dressed as women, public exhibitionists and bondage weirdos as detestable and/or annoying.

So to clarify the bleeding obvious for you: not everybody at a gay parade is bondage or skimpily clad. But many of them are.

Happy now? |-)

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

No no no dear, that's you. You do it every time.

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I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I?! Grow up, I don't write off entire paragraphs with a five word sentence.

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You know exactly what i'm talking about - that Christians in this country are now being hounded by the media, law and homosexual campaign groups - simply because they happen to disagree with gay marriage and/or homosexuality itself.

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Grand exaggeration there. Give me some examples of Christians being 'hounded' excluding cases where their outdated and bigoted beliefs have been challenged. You're living in fantasy land, two gay people kissing in front of a homophobic preacher in a public places is hardly classed as hounding. Especially when the preacher approached them as i'm lead to believe.

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Instead, you do as you always do which is state the bleeding obvious that not everybody in a gay pride parade is wearing a gimp mask and skimpy undies - well really Einstein!!!?

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Because you continuously mass generalise huge groups of people. If it's not 'the gays' (as you like to call them) it's those bloody muslims, they are all third worlders and inferior to christians, right?! It was only yesterday you derailed a gay marriage legalisation thread to mention how all gay people are scared of muslims because every person that follows islam is violent and homophobic. Or how you virtually refer to all Romanians as criminals.

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The point however still stands that whilst you may find street preachers annoying or detestable, I find the sight of gay parades with large amounts of men dressed as women, public exhibitionists and bondage weirdos as detestable and/or annoying.

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I find people campaigning for equality much better than those campaigning for inequality. How dare 'those gays' think they have the same rights as us? Only a man and woman deserve the right of marriage since the bible says so!

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That's low.

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Calling the police when you're being harassed by a guy whose opinions were totallly unnecessary and uncalled for is low? kay....

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If i'm honest I couldn't care less, but I thought I was being nice calling them what they want to be called. I can't win really, can I?

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idk have you tried calling them gay people or homosexual people...because...well...they are people?

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simply because they happen to disagree with gay marriage and/or homosexuality itself

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Denying basic rights to people is not included in cutesy acceptable 'opinions vary' stuff so.

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I find the sight of gay parades with large amounts of men dressed as women

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O_O

let's just leave this aside...but you do know that trans people exist right? and they actively participate in lgbt rallies? I can't believe I have to ask you this

It seems blatantly obvious that is his opinion that gays are an abomination. If it wasn't he wouldn't feel the need to spout it purposefully in front of the couple.

What a waste of tax payers money - the police clearly do not know what assault is and, though his opinion was insulting, it wasn't an assault. Assault is having the victim(s) apprehend immediate and unlawful personal violence. None of his words were to that effect - just ignorant. If anything it was a misapplication of the law but the law here is solid. Don't blame the law when it is misapplied, blame those applying it wrong :P

Standard compensation but 3 years was horrific. It could have been a lot less compensation and a lot less in court fees if it was dealt with promptly - it should have only taken either immediate realisation (statements from the couple and the preacher) or a matter of weeks to realise the preacher did not assault the couple. It's not even necessary to go into the whole "free speech" rubbish as in this instance the argument falls short at the first hurdle that he was guilty of some sort of offence.

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Originally Posted by subo

well apparently they asked him his views on homosexuality he said it was a sin but god still loved them

so they started kissing in his face and mocking him crudely. they r just as annoying (if not more)

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Strangely you're post probably makes the most sense :P He wasn't necessarily offensive saying God loves them, just not what they do (hilarious Christian logic - I hate farming but I love farmers). Their response was a bit childish.

Why is everyone so blindly extreme in all their views this is a case involving a grand total of four people, all of whom were wrong in some way. The preacher didn't have to antagonise them by saying what he did, but their reaction went a long way too far. They purposefully acted to make him feel uncomfortable and then wrongly involved the law just for telling them what they probably already knew the Bible said. The policeman was also clearly wrong in making an arrest (rather than just getting everyone to move on) and then for whatever reason detaining the preacher without food or drink; I can't imagine why he would have thought that was a good idea on any level.

Now some reasons why everyone is wrong:
*Marriage was not for most of human history just between a man and a woman anyway.
*"Shoving religion in your face" is just the same as any advertising, and I'm yet to see a missionary of any kind force someone to listen when they don't want to.
*Gay Pride events are usually just big concerts tbh, anyone in extreme clothing is still in small enough number to be anomalous.
*Making a statement from a historical document is not abuse.
*The B&B thing was also one isolated incident and not an attack on the church at large.
*Public displays of intent and belief are public displays of intent and belief no matter what they entail, you either like them all or hate them all make a choice.
*Getting someone arrested isn't a harmless reaction.
*Christians are not "under attack", but their leaders (as with all restrictive pressure groups other than feminists) are being allowed less leeway in law than they were previously used to in order to not hold back simple rights from non-believers.

Did I miss anything important

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Did I miss anything important

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Other than a question mark you pretty much nailed it ;)

EDIT: Oh, maybe a misapplication of the law if the preacher did supposedly commit an assault on the couple.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Why is everyone so blindly extreme in all their views this is a case involving a grand total of four people, all of whom were wrong in some way. The preacher didn't have to antagonise them by saying what he did, but their reaction went a long way too far. They purposefully acted to make him feel uncomfortable and then wrongly involved the law just for telling them what they probably already knew the Bible said. The policeman was also clearly wrong in making an arrest (rather than just getting everyone to move on) and then for whatever reason detaining the preacher without food or drink; I can't imagine why he would have thought that was a good idea on any level.

Now some reasons why everyone is wrong:
*Marriage was not for most of human history just between a man and a woman anyway.
*"Shoving religion in your face" is just the same as any advertising, and I'm yet to see a missionary of any kind force someone to listen when they don't want to.
*Gay Pride events are usually just big concerts tbh, anyone in extreme clothing is still in small enough number to be anomalous.
*Making a statement from a historical document is not abuse.
*The B&B thing was also one isolated incident and not an attack on the church at large.
*Public displays of intent and belief are public displays of intent and belief no matter what they entail, you either like them all or hate them all make a choice.
*Getting someone arrested isn't a harmless reaction.
*Christians are not "under attack", but their leaders (as with all restrictive pressure groups other than feminists) are being allowed less leeway in law than they were previously used to in order to not hold back simple rights from non-believers.

Did I miss anything important

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I'm not sure if any of that is aimed at me but i've already stated in this thread that I thought all the people in this incident were wrong in some way. I also never said making a statement from the bible is abuse. Again, wasn't sure if you were aiming any of that post at me but wanted to clarify incase you were.