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Well considering they believe in a fairy tale about pork being cursed or w.e there is no PROPER reason to offer them an alternative meal. What I believe if they want to believe in pork is bad (which it isn't and I cant live without bacon) then **** them. Eat off the Vegan/Vegetarian Meals if possible. If not, bring your own food.
Honestly amazes me what indoctrination can do to someone. This meat bad, lets big man **** little girl.
France isn't known for being vegan/vegetarian friendly :P They would literally have to bring their own food and ignore the fine French cuisine!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragga
Well there is lots of very good french food, but some people are just crazy :lQuote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
I wouldn't say crazy, but if you have specific dietary needs you should probably just make your own food. Treat it similarly to allergies except without hiding them away in separate rooms when someone opens up a packet of nuts :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Dragga
You're clueless. I'm not religious at all but brushing their beliefs off as fairy tales is incredibly disrespectful. Arrogance and self righteousness is not a good look. If I'm paying taxes which goes towards funding schools and in turn school meals I expect an alternative if I can't eat meat for whatever dietary reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragga
Well in a French context it makes sense. Officially, religion is a big no. Unofficially, I'd be curious to see what this was like 'on the ground.' I honestly do not understand the integration argument, to me, it goes against basic human nature. Abide by the laws, yep, I can go with that but to imply that someone eating different food is somehow incompatible with British culture and tradition seems a stretch. Full integration is impossible because you can't just throw away your experiences.
If you are a law-abiding citizen who just wants to put their head down and get on with a normal day-to-day life - which is true for the vast majority of people regardless of where they are born - then you are compatible with British culture.
But laws are the product of a nation, and a nation is the product of a group of people being similar enough to one another to live together. For a democracy to exist, you need a group of culturally similar enough people to agree to live under the same political + legal system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inseriousity.
Nobody suggests that we all have to eat pie and chips everyday, sing God Save the Queen before we go to bed and wear compulsory tweed flatcaps. But it is practical and rational to suggest that migrants who move here will be expected to integrate (and will naturally as history has proven) as time moves by... you can see this with many Asians who adopt British names after a few generations here, as they've become a full part of this country. The same goes for Jews who fled mainland Europe in the 1800's and early 1900's.... they're completely integrated with the home culture.
Integration is a good thing - but it's when the home culture starts pandering to minorities that integration begins to falter. The French for example, so I have read in the past, refuse to print things like council letters/application forms in any language other than French.
Yup, it stems from the French Revolution of course. Much like the American Revolution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle
How does integration falter though? How does providing halal meat for Muslims, non pork for Jews affect your life in any way? How does it create a seismic shift in a national culture? It's just so ridiculous to assume the collapse of society, norms and traditions will suddenly occur over a part of culture that you've just said is not hugely important in the bigger picture ("nobody suggests we also eat pie and chips everyday" btw its fish and chips you non-brit!). You also said they're a minority so a minority will never have enough status or power to change the majority norm. That's sort of how norms work.
Yes they do - UAE and Qatar often do not impose Islamic laws on non-muslim minoritiesQuote:
Just like Islamic countries bend over backwards for other minorities, ey. :rolleyes:
Brunei does not impose tough Sharia laws on non-muslims, there are obviously many other examples but these are what I know of
Because if you start treating different parts of the population is a seperate manner then it creates the feeling of being seperate both for the minority population and the population at large. If, for example, you start printing council letters and applications in every language known to man as well as providing translators in hospitals - where is the pressure on newly arrived immigrants to conform and learn the language of the host country? There is none. And especially regarding language, without knowing the language of most of your countrymen then how can you even begin to become a part of that country other than simply holding a passport? You can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inseriousity.
In regards to the food point, it's not as important as other issues of integration but it is a simple matter of principle in that the customs and traditions of this country or those of the French Republic are not up for renegotiation. Once you start giving ground to minorities in aspects like this, then the demands will only grow and you'll again halt integration. We have seen this with Halal meat in this country where restaurants have now started selling ONLY halal meat just to cater to the demands of a small minority. There you have a big shift in cuisine, caused by a small and vocal group.
For now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inseriousity.
But again, a minority doesn't have to have a simple majority to affect the culture of politics of a nation. I ask this for example: if a vote on gay rights were being debated in parliament and you had 30% of the population of this country as Muslim - most of whom had not integrated with the host country - do you not think that the MPs would then be thinking about that 30% of the vote when it comes to policy? Of course they would be.
The same for foreign policy. If 40% of this country were Islamic of both Shia and Sunni, do you not think that foreign policy in regards to Syria or Iraq for example would then bring Britain closer to involvement in that sort of religious war than it otherwise would have done? The Syria issue is a HUGE issue in the Islamic world - why? Because many of them are similar enough (and Islam affects politics) so that it crosses borders. And that's not something I want for Britain, I do not want our politics to start mirroring the religious divides of a religion that has no historical basis in this country's culture or history.
Er what? Yes they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by karter
Qatar -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Qatar
UAE -Quote:
Originally Posted by FCO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_ri..._Arab_Emirates
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-ad...ws-and-customs - UAE travel advice.
Brunei -
https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-ad...ws-and-customs
And i'm not saying they're wrong to have these rules either. It's entirely their right to maintain their own culture, as it is ours.Quote:
Originally Posted by FCO