rare values reform

I tried to reform Rare Values (well, I wanted to do so) but wasn't allowed to at the time, see this thread for my full explanation: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...45#post8150045

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Originally Posted by Mr-Trainor

I tried to reform Rare Values (well, I wanted to do so) but wasn't allowed to at the time, see this thread for my full explanation: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...45#post8150045

This is roughly what we're working off now - just having to tweak things because what we'd like to do won't be possible with current system - but I'm fed up of waiting for it as SOMETHING can be done now!

I just had a thought about the items in demand - I don't know like what's paricularly popular but I thought we could put a form on saying "The item you're looking for not here? Fill out this form and we'll see what we can do" and if we have multiples of that, consider bringing it back into a misc section. Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Kyle

I don't agree with removing ANY section. All prices change, norms more than most.

~~from phone

I'd love to agree with you, but the problem is the lack of staff which just makes it all unfeasible in its current form. I've just looked at the staff list to see the department is even smaller than I thought, with only 2 Rare Values Reporters?! As for the number of furniture items on Habbo, roughly 5050 - if you were to assign each reporter a set of items, they'd have a list exceeding 2000. There just isn't the staff anymore to keep up with updating everything and the number of people relying on Habbox for Rare Values has definitely fallen considerably since its peak.

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Originally Posted by lawrawrrr

The general consensus for many years now has been that it's a waste of everyone's time to value norms, as they're so easy to track on the Marketplace. Focusing the department more on the actual rares side (although that definitely needs a proper definition as so many furni classify as "rare" these days judging by the definition @Samanfa; gave me about a year ago), gives it a real purpose, and leaves scope for so much more.

I see what you mean about seasonals @Lewis; but these are only really properly traded (with price changes) around those particular seasons, and often re-released into the catalogue anyway these days so I don't really agree with keeping them I'm afraid :(

There's a lot more to Rare Values than just the value - there's the graphs and value history that goes back way longer than what Habbo allows us to see and so for that reason it'd be great if every single item could exist on Habbox. However, as I've said before it just does not work anymore.

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Originally Posted by scottish

i think you should just value LTD's and scrap everything else, as habbox has been a better indicator for the last 5 years.

only time i've ever used hxf was
a) somethings not in the market (rarely happens)
b) it's ltd

whilst writing this I just remembered you can put LTD's in the Marketplace now, so scrap RV dept.

If it was my choice I'd keep gold star items (super rates) too, and also silver star items (normal rares).

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Originally Posted by lawrawrrr

Just because that's the only time you use it, doesn't mean that's the same for everyone! There was a poll a while back and the overwhelming majority voted to go with (roughly) the plan which Dan announced the other day.

Has this been announced publicly? (I haven't been very active as of late, but it'd be nice to have a look if it's out there!).

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Originally Posted by scottish

How many people actively search for more than 1 thing per day on RV?

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Originally Posted by lawrawrrr

I don't have access to those statistics, if they're possible to come across anyway.

Page views would be interesting too, and if possible some way of actually seeing which categories are more actively used.

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Originally Posted by Mk,

I agree the main focus should be LTDS, but I don't think they should remove the likes of the big and classic rares. They definitely should remove every single item that can be purchased in the shop, and others that are just obvious.

Agreed!

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Originally Posted by Hatix

They're fine as they are

But surely it's unreasonable to expect only a few staff to keep over 5000 values up to date?

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

A reform in the department was needed, whether it's the right way to go about it we can only tell in time. However, some valid points were made in the announcement, but I don't agree with them all.

- Scrapping the likes of Area, really? They're always flexible in value and they haven't been released since last year (and that was only black). Area is one of those you should keep valued, they are traded a lot and some of the items as @sex; knows are very hard to find.

However, with Iced I can see your point, they're not all in the catalogue I believe, but unlike Area they aren't as sought after anymore. A couple of years back you'd spend everything to get certain colours of Iced, now, you're lucky to get 1 Credit per item (in some cases).

It seems the department decides to pride itself on its values, but what about what Habbox Rare Values really is... a guide. To me, a guide is having a value to fall back or look at if you're unsure - you can then take that price and bend it as much as you wish. I also think a point of a guide is for something you are unsure on - perhaps an item rarely found in the Market Place and therefore you need to look at alternative places to find the value.

You say there will also be a new classification system for rare seasonal/misc. will this include the likes of Stately Roofs, Light Clouds, Sunset Wall etc? I sort of agree with this, but I don't think there's an end on furniture that could fit there.

It's unfortunate the department isn't a little bigger, as an idea that could possibly work is have sections for different types of items. I know it's the 'Rare' Values department, but you could have had 'Rare Values Reporter (Norms)', 'Rare Values Reporter (Supers)' (which would include LTDS) and 'Rare Values Reporter (Categorised)/(Catalogue Rares). You could then have the Heads doing what they do now - approving or denying values, but they would also be able to report all types of items.

If there was the staff to maintain the values of all of the 4000+ tradable items on Habbo (just guessing that at least 4000 must be tradable, but maybe not :P) then I'd agree with you, but I think it's best if they just remove them all (in regards to your comment about Area etc).

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

The problem is though, as I said, whilst it would be nice to keep an entire database full of values we simply can't keep up with it anymore.... just as the notion of assigning staff to specific roles (an idea that has been tried in the past, against my opinion) hasn't worked. The team from now onwards is going to very small, and indeed we've just suffered September blues with staff resigning so there's now only three or four of us carrying the entire department on our backs.

In terms of specific items, I am happy - when categories are sorted - to add items that you find hard/of interest to the new Misc section and we can do that on a fluid basis, but having values for every item in every furniture line is impossible now.

It'd still be nice to have every item there - just separate the categories which are valued from the ones that aren't valued. So basically my vision is this; FE role will be affiliated with the Content department who will add all the items to Habbox. The categories which are valued will be displayed separately from those which are not, so for example perhaps going to hatbox.com/rv will allow you to see just the valued categories to avoid confusion, but going to the furniture guide under the guides section would show every category and every item whether valued or not. So the Content/RV department will have to communicate to make sure the valued categories are being set up correctly to enable the reporters to update values. If that makes sense..

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Originally Posted by HE-Joshua

Sounds like a lazy department - be like HabboxLive saying oh its just too darn hard to get people djing between 3am and 9am oh lightbulb lets just close it permanently between them hours.

What exactly makes them sound lazy?

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Originally Posted by lawrawrrr

This is roughly what we're working off now - just having to tweak things because what we'd like to do won't be possible with current system - but I'm fed up of waiting for it as SOMETHING can be done now!

I just had a thought about the items in demand - I don't know like what's paricularly popular but I thought we could put a form on saying "The item you're looking for not here? Fill out this form and we'll see what we can do" and if we have multiples of that, consider bringing it back into a misc section. Thoughts?

I think it could end up like the Trade Team and just be rarely used, and if an item was to be added due to request and department began to track it and value it.. how do you know people are actually making use of it? It is a nice idea though and if you're (aimed at the RV department) willing to put in that extra time and effort to maintain the request system then it could be ok, maybe just trial it at first.

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Originally Posted by Mr-Trainor

There's a lot more to Rare Values than just the value - there's the graphs and value history that goes back way longer than what Habbo allows us to see and so for that reason it'd be great if every single item could exist on Habbox. However, as I've said before it just does not work anymore.

I agree and I think theres even more that the department could move into - away from 'values' and into a plethora of new things - history, analysis, builders, the list goes on!

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Has this been announced publicly? (I haven't been very active as of late, but it'd be nice to have a look if it's out there!).

Dan announced it a while ago on the poll thread I think (or an update one) and done at least 1 announcement since about what we've been doing

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Page views would be interesting too, and if possible some way of actually seeing which categories are more actively used.

I'd be interested in seeing these stats. @xxMATTGxx;?

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I think it could end up like the Trade Team and just be rarely used, and if an item was to be added due to request and department began to track it and value it.. how do you know people are actually making use of it? It is a nice idea though and if you're (aimed at the RV department) willing to put in that extra time and effort to maintain the request system then it could be ok, maybe just trial it at first.

It wouldn't necessarily be every item that was requested - just if we saw a lot of requests for one item over a period of time, consider adding it?

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Originally Posted by lawrawrrr

It wouldn't necessarily be every item that was requested - just if we saw a lot of requests for one item over a period of time, consider adding it?

I guess it wouldn't be too hard to implement anyway, so you may as well try it out :P.

Unfortunately we don't really have V6 page stats - Not information that would tell you how much Rare Values is being used. What furni items on that are the most viewed or how much the search is used on it. Nothing like that whatsoever.

Get on it mattg.

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Originally Posted by Zak

As well, if they refined what they were looking at (i.e. scrapped a load of items and focused on the LTDs, supers, teleporters, arcanes and classic rares) the values would be a lot more accurate. Since the double credits some items have skyrocketed. For example the Pink Dragon was at 2600c yesterday yet Iouisvuitton refused 80gb for one the same day.

Maybe a reform needs to be done whereas users can submit values for approval? Then the experts could approve/disapprove?

Personally, I really like the idea of possibly keeping all/most categories but possibly having people submitting values for approval.. I'm not sure how this would be done, as extra features would need to be added to the site to be able to do this, but I do really like this idea.

Thanks!
-Mini :)

I came to habbox for values on things not in market place it truely did help, you have destroyed anything habbox had different to anywhere else. goodbye habbox...

What? Habbox has rare values? Since when...