LBGTXYZ Group: Boarding schools should introduce 'gender neutral' uniforms

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Originally Posted by Empired

I specifically asked you to come up with what is normal, not what isn't and you seem to be incapable of offering me an answer without contradicting what you're currently saying. If the answer is that there is no set structure for normality, then using exactly the same logic there should be no set structure for abnormality as well?

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No, I said there obviously is a structure of normality whereas you seem to think there isn't.

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Originally Posted by Zealoux

Why is it that your opinion is automatically correct?

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What kind of a question is that? :S

Obviously I think my opinion is correct otherwise I wouldn't have it as an opinion.

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Originally Posted by Zealoux

You mock practically everyone that isn't yourself and hide behind the facade of a debate.

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A basic part of humour is to make fun of and laugh at differences.

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Originally Posted by Zealoux

If you have such strong beliefs, isn't the decent thing to do, not go out of your way to humiliate someone in public?

Are females still in the boundary of having to wear dresses and domesticity? Are we not to wear trousers for fear of being laughed at?
While you may not approve of trans dress wear choices, surely the decent and human thing to do is to keep that opinion to yourself.

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Why should I keep it to myself? Social Justice Warriors like yourself can't wait to punish everybody who doesn't accept their tumblr version of reality and ironically can't wait to criticise white, straight men for all the ills of the world just like you did below with the WASP comment.

The biggest shower of hypocrites on the planet.

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Originally Posted by Zealoux

Whenever you boast an opinion such as equality being a bad thing

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Equality is a myth as we are not all equal.

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Originally Posted by Zealoux

I feel like I'm surrounded by WASPs; just saying, their dress choice favoured the feminine side, long pure white dress.

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Ohhhh, and that's a bad thing is it even though it's those nasty evil wasps who created virtually the entire society you live in?

I'm a non-dress wearing WASP and proud.

Oh poor you, a humble taxpayer having to not pay for students to feel comfortable in what they're wearing, oh how sorry I feel for you. I'm really sorry people are making progress and modern changes to a school system that you have nothing to do with.

This is a good change and another step towards acceptance and equality and I hope it will positively affect the way students view themselves and others also I hope in the long term it may make the school system a more accepting place to learn

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

No, I said there obviously is a structure of normality whereas you seem to think there isn't.

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Then tell me what it is.

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Obviously I think my opinion is correct otherwise I wouldn't have it as an opinion.

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Doesn't mean you shouldn't value other peoples' opinions. Perhaps if you stopped insulting the people you were trying to persuade we might be more willing to see things from your perspective. If you weren't so obnoxious I might agree with the odd point of yours, but your total lack of respect for anyone other than yourself, a select few other people and, of course, His Royal Highness Nigel Farage (and oh how well that turned out) I don't wish to be associated with anything you have to say.

If you want people to listen to your opinions, don't be such a douche. If you don't care if people listen to your opinions, why are you here? What is the point in posting in a Habbo-based forum primarily for teenagers if you're just here to force your opinions down others' throats and then leave?

Oh wait nevermind. Urban Dictionary puts it quite nicely:
Trolling: Being a ***** on the internet just because you can. Typically unleashing one or more cynical or sarcastic remarks on an innocent by-stander, because it's the internet and, hey, you can.

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A basic part of humour is to make fun of and laugh at differences.

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You're almost exactly right but the point is that everyone should be laughing. If you're laughing at someone and they're not laughing back, that is not humour. That is you being a ****.

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Equality is a myth as we are not all equal.

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But there's still a difference between accepting that we're not all equal and using our differences to strengthen ourselves as a whole, and using the fact that we're not all equal as an excuse to act superior to other groups.

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What kind of a question is that? :S

Obviously I think my opinion is correct otherwise I wouldn't have it as an opinion.

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It's the forceful way you put it across though, there is no leverage with you.

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A basic part of humour is to make fun of and laugh at differences.

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It's also a basic part of nature to be civil.

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Why should I keep it to myself? Social Justice Warriors like yourself can't wait to punish everybody who doesn't accept their tumblr version of reality and ironically can't wait to criticise white, straight men for all the ills of the world just like you did below with the WASP comment.

The biggest shower of hypocrites on the planet.

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I'm glad you asked such a question. Why should you? Why on earth should people not wear what they like? Why are they governed by the likes of people like you? If you can't do it, why should they?
I've never been called a SJW before, fun. You take me for someone who forces my opinions on someone on a regular basis, but alas, I do not. I refrain, just like you should attempt. I fell into your wormhole of a challenge. I know there is no way I can change your opinion on any matter, but I fell for it anyway.

Me calling you a WASP wasn't in relation to race or sexual orientation actually (although I should have explained this before), it was to do with your outdated views of reality. Your superiority complex based on wasp exterior doesn't aid my argument.

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Equality is a myth as we are not all equal.

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Isn't the aim to justify that? It may not be currently, but that's the goal.

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Ohhhh, and that's a bad thing is it even though it's those nasty evil wasps who created virtually the entire society you live in?

I'm a non-dress wearing WASP and proud.

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I'm not disputing that. -.-
As I've said before, I don't particularly care for dabbling in social injustices, but it gets to the point where your constant drabble becomes too much. You weren't apart of those nasty little wasps, you hold no power. You can strive to be like them, but in this day and age it only gets you so far, like you said, you're opposed by social justice warriors, who will always prevent your opinion from holding.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

@conservative;

Uh, why shouldn't they? It's a word or a phrase that's quite funny.

I still use it. Should the Police knock on my door as a result?



If a trans student aka a bloke wearing a dress comes into school in a dress and a pearl neckless, I would find that hiliarious. Sorry, but it'd look ridiculous and I don't see why I should have to pretend that is in any way normal or not funny. Should I then be punished for 'bullying' that student?



What is the insane obsession with equality when things aren't equal?

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From the time on this forum I see that your opinions have changed very little so there's no reason actually giving a thoughtful response! All I hope is that as time goes on people like you become less and less and start caring more about their own lives than others who aren't bothering you.

Two points: First of all on 'Gender neutral' uniforms. I think uniform should be gender neutral, in that males and females both have the same privileges. From my experience in schools, males seem to be the ones missing out. Females can happily wear skits and trousers, males are stuck with trousers. Perfectly fine until you reach the summer and all of a sudden wearing black trousers isn't exactly comfortable anymore. Now, I'm not proposing that boys wear skirts, that's not the point of the argument, but allowing boys to wear shorts would be acceptable in my eyes.

I think there was a case with male train drivers(?) where they wanted to wear something more comfortable, were not allowed shorts, but skirts were perfectly within the uniform, so they wore skirts to work.

Second of all, use of the word 'gay' as an insult. During teacher training we have a session on homophobia within schools and it really is a big issue, mainly because it's not tackled in the same way as other types of verbal abuse. The word gay is allowed to be used in school as long as you're using it in the correct context. Students can easily talk about how gay Graham Norton is, but they cannot talk about how gay their pen is, e.g. 'My pen ran out, it's so gay', that's obviously using the word 'gay' in a negative connotation and it's not acceptable.

And @-:Undertaker:-; I really disagree with...

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Bullying/insults like "that's so gay" is part of character building in school which toughens you up for the real world. That's life.

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Basically you're saying that bullying is perfectly acceptable and fine. Don't be so ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Should I then be punished for 'bullying' that student?

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Well, yes. If bullying's against the rules then it's against the rules no matter how funny you think it is, not a very good point you're making here. I find it hilarious that people still think prehistoric hunter-gatherer roles should determine the acts and decisions of a civilised people with regards to luxury items and leisure activities, but I don't go around attacking anyone for it and saying they can't do as they please within the law

Children will be arse holes whether you wear a skirt or trousers.

Just eliminate skirts if you must - they're impractical for play time and don't really achieve anything. Heck, many public and state schools already have gender-neutral -obviously-there-to-make-you-all-look-uniformed uniforms for ages, yet children are still bullied for looking weird. Shave all their hair off, surgically remove freckles and you may be closer to eliminate bullying. It will never disappear as [see first sentence].

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

No, I said there obviously is a structure of normality whereas you seem to think there isn't.



What kind of a question is that? :S

Obviously I think my opinion is correct otherwise I wouldn't have it as an opinion.



A basic part of humour is to make fun of and laugh at differences.



Why should I keep it to myself? Social Justice Warriors like yourself can't wait to punish everybody who doesn't accept their tumblr version of reality and ironically can't wait to criticise white, straight men for all the ills of the world just like you did below with the WASP comment.

The biggest shower of hypocrites on the planet.



Equality is a myth as we are not all equal.



Ohhhh, and that's a bad thing is it even though it's those nasty evil wasps who created virtually the entire society you live in?

I'm a non-dress wearing WASP and proud.

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Because it's the decent thing to do? For someone that constantly cries about the breakdown of morals in this country you clearly lack them yourself if you have to question why you shouldn't mock/bully someone.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

Second of all, use of the word 'gay' as an insult. During teacher training we have a session on homophobia within schools and it really is a big issue, mainly because it's not tackled in the same way as other types of verbal abuse. The word gay is allowed to be used in school as long as you're using it in the correct context. Students can easily talk about how gay Graham Norton is, but they cannot talk about how gay their pen is, e.g. 'My pen ran out, it's so gay', that's obviously using the word 'gay' in a negative connotation and it's not acceptable.

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I love how despite being unable to control classes and even teach basic skills, our future teachers are being taught to tell children that saying a pen is gay is wrong where as calling Graham Norton isn't. What a really great future this country has in the economic race against the likes of China. It is beyond belief.

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Originally Posted by The Don

Because it's the decent thing to do? For someone that constantly cries about the breakdown of morals in this country you clearly lack them yourself if you have to question why you shouldn't mock/bully someone.

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There's bullying and then there's being unable to take a bloke wearing a dress seriously.