Wait A minute I am bisexual. Sexuality should not matter
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Wait A minute I am bisexual. Sexuality should not matter
Satan don't flame this thread
I'm not going to bother arguing the existance of God, as that's irrelevant. The point of this thread isn't "does God exist?" but "do Bible teachings portray homosexuality as wrong?". To answer the question in the frankest way possible, yes. Whoever said (on the 2nd or 3rd page) that there's no evidence to show homosexuality as wrong, check out the original post.
Now yes, you can say that it's Old Testament, which also says about slavery, animal sacrifice and other things that we see as pointless (or even wrong) these days, but they are just as relevant. The fact that people don't do these things any more doesn't change the fact that they are Bible laws. I hear a lot of "times have changed, the religion should change with the times", but why should it? How many other religions change just because society does? Do we see Muslims saying "oh never mind girls, you might as well get semi-naked, the rest of the world is"? I think not.
I don't know (or even know of) a single Christian who complies to every Christian law. The only reason I dislike the religion is for that fact - it's not taken seriously. If you're going to proclaim yourself religious, know and stick to your own teachings.
About forgiveness.. if you do something over and over again, you obviously aren't really sorry for doing it. The idea that God has to forgive you for everything is misread, He will forgive you if you are truly sorry, but if you are not sorry and ask forgiveness, it's more deception and is in fact a lessened chance of you being forgiven.
To sum up: If you're a Christian, you should respect the laws of your God and not submit to the sin of sodomy. If you're not, bum away to your heart's content.
Even the sin of sodomy can be forgiven.
FFS Mentor your too clever -.-
It's called free will "/ If you choose to believe in God and live by his commandments etc you will be rewarded but if you don't believe in God and don't stick to his commandments you will be punished...its not rocket science.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organised
Why would God care? Cos of pro-creation, simple really. I won't go into detail atm but you should know what is meant from pro-creation and why God would not want Gays.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrozenWhisper
As mentor rightly said wth? Evolution has nothing to do with creation of life. Evolution is how animals/living things adapt to it's surroundings thus being more likely to survive and thus carry this on through production so their offspring have the same features, that's evolution and has no relevance to creation "/Quote:
Originally Posted by DMB-Hosting
Ace sounds awesome:oQuote:
Originally Posted by Punky
Definition? What we're not going by some little definition given by the bible which has changed since it was first created "/ If you wanna start going on about whats logical and whats illogical then just think about God and how illogical that is =/Quote:
Originally Posted by asher_
Too right it's just ignorant people that want to 'keep up with the times' but if Religion like Christianity has been around for thousands of years and hasn't changed then why should WE be the ones who change it? Pretty stupid people that say that "/Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingJesus
It's pretty difficult to commit sodomy without meaning to.. yes you can be forgiven, for any sin in fact, but you have to be truly sorry. I won't go as far as to say that sodomy is an unforgiveable sin, but God blatantly isn't a fan, seeing as how He commanded that sodomites be put to death, and eventually killed them all himself with a rain of sulphur and brimstone. Basically, if you're a Christian, you're supposed to love, fear and respect God above all else, so you shouldn't be wanting to do anything to upset or anger Him in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by asher_
The big bang and evolution are theories, they aren't proven. The big bang is illogical and inconsistent, where did the matter and the motion that started it come from? Without a creator nothing could be created, hence there must have been a creator. He doesn't make everyone believe in him because doing so would be interferring with humans free will and also this separates the good people from the bad people; it's like saying why doesn't he just make everyone good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organised
There is nothing illogical about God.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig
Just because your Christian doesn't mean you have to deny the illogicialness about him. I mean if there truly was a God, Gods could make a weight which he is unable to lift yeah? So when he's made it he wouldn't be all powerful if he couldnt lift it, but if he was able to lift it then surely he couldnt make it?Quote:
Originally Posted by asher_
God can't do anything illogical. People always ask why God can't make a four sided triangle if he's all powerful, simple answer: God can't do anything illogical, if a triangle was four sided it would no longer be a triangle it'd be quadrilateral. Asking if God could make a weight that he couldn't lift is illogical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig
However, He could say He's done it and regardless of whether it ever actually happened, it would be true because He (being wholly good) is always truthful, and His word is always right.
Meh, god doesn't exist and if he did i wouldn't be bothered about him.
I prefer Buddism.
Try posting something relevant next time, thanks.
Well I don't know about christinality, but in Islam, my teacher said homosexuality is just one of the signs that the world is going to end soon.
Mewt, I find that VERY offensive, please don't say that. As it inflicts with other peoples religions such as mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mewt
Yet it predates the religion by 1000s of years.. wired that..Quote:
Originally Posted by Herman
Actaly not unless you belive in first cause argument, which in that cause your libarys must have book covers.Quote:
God by definition is the uncreated creator of the universe, so asking 'Who created God?' is completely illogical.
If god doesnt need a cause why does the universe?
So god forgives "pride, gluttony, sloth, greed, and failure to help the poor."Quote:
Even the sin of sodomy can be forgiven.
(Ezekiel 16:49)
No actaly there FACT and are PROVEN. Your just incrediblty ignorat, especaly of the langwage used. The theary is the hypothisis exsplaining the event which is fact. We no evolution happens and is happening, But we not 100% sure how its happening, Althogh where pretty close...Quote:
The big bang and evolution are theories, they aren't proven.
Big band isnt actaly a theary its just a byproduct of teaching methods.Quote:
The big bang is illogical and inconsistent, where did the matter and the motion that started it come from?
When you start school your taught you cant devide 3 by 2. the next year you taught you actaly can.
Big bang is the cant devide 3 by 2. A real theary, say M-theary of String theary is the 1.5 ...
Can you prove that? and if so where does god come from? if he doesnt need createing nore does anything esleQuote:
Without a creator nothing could be created, hence there must have been a creator.
God both makes them good and makes them bad thogh "/Quote:
He doesn't make everyone believe in him because doing so would be interferring with humans free will and also this separates the good people from the bad people; it's like saying why doesn't he just make everyone good.
Plus you dont actaly have as free will as you think, try willing yourself to fly, im doubful youl have much success...
Gods omnipitant right?Quote:
Originally Posted by asher_
Can god create somthing so hevey he can not lift it?
Oh PARADOX...
If god is benevolent and Omniptant? why is there evil in the world. Ether god does not want to stop evil (not benevolent) or he cannot (not omniptant)
Oh crap, theres another paradox.. seems a little illlogical to me "/
Where in the bible does it clame god doesnt suck? your being just as offencive towards the religion by makeing up stuff about it thats not actaly there? Whether god sucks or not is not for you to decide, god defines the consepts, its his choise not yours...Quote:
Originally Posted by ConnoRR
God cannot control the evil in our world without eliminating free will. A free will is not just a nice addendum on human nature, it is an integral part of who we are. This being the case, if God were to eliminate evil, He would also be eliminating free will. And in doing so, God would be perpetrating the most horrendous evil of all: the annihilation of the human race.Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
It's not Gods fault that there is so much evil in our world, remember that. God created man kind to be perfect and sin free so it was all down to man kind who created sin, and evil to spawn through the generations.
Well if you think of the Design argument then surely humans are only as evil as God let us be? Like a watch is the product of design and so too are humans, design from God yeah? And if the product is only as smart as whomever it was created by then surely it's the same with God and humans only being as evil as whomever it was created by?Quote:
Originally Posted by asher_
So why did god give us free will? If it only causes suffering and evil? why were we given it? why could that attribute not just be removed and us live in blissful happyness?Quote:
Originally Posted by asher_
Why did god create a dark side to human nature, god in his omniscinets already knows the desion we will make, and he created the phycie that makes it, the person will only make the wrong desion if god made them wrongly?
If had enough willpower to deny all laws of physics and .. well, everything, you could put yourself in a state of mind where you truly believed yourself to be flying, and if you were in this state of mind then by the theory "I think therefore I am", you will succeed in flying. Alternatively, with enough willpower you could alter your understanding of flying so that by doing something else, you are in fact to your own mind, flying.Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
He's omnipotent, therefore He can overcome any paradox, even if it's beyond human understanding. That's the beauty of the thing, and you have to admit that there's no way around that particular argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
God doesn't need a cause because God is infinital, with no beginning and no end. God created time so God must have existed before time thus God would have had no real beginning anyway. I know evolution exists, just not in the species changing into a different species way, but, for example, immunity is a case of evolution. God never made evil, he made humans with the capacity to be evil and through free will can humans choose to do right or wrong. The capability to fly has nothing to do with free will, the only thing stopping you is the incapability of the human body to do so and gravity, not God suddenly pulling you down.Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
God wanted everyone to love him and only love that comes from a free choice of will is true love, if theres no free will then love isn't genuine.Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
Aiyo, homersexuality is wrong full stop.
And why is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by SHADYWARRIOR
Beliveing you are flying and flying are very differnt... Alot of drunks may think there petting pink eliphants.. those pink eliphants still aint real "/Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyingJesus
And i think therefore i am is not a theary, Nore anything, its part of descarts cogieto, which only justifes the single point which is "there is a thinking thing" nothing else..
Well actaly its quite easy, and god looses it. A square is a shape with 4 sides, god cannot create a square with 3 sides, or it ceases to be a square, althogh he can make somone belive the 3 sided shape is a square it will not actaly be so.Quote:
He's omnipotent, therefore He can overcome any paradox, even if it's beyond human understanding. That's the beauty of the thing, and you have to admit that there's no way around that particular argument.
Such as He can not make it so that i never existed, since by existing now it would be impossible, regaurdless of the power, closes it delusion of many people and himself "/
Before time is a contradiction? plus you just proved god does not exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Virgin Mary
Existance is the state of contingent being within space and time. If god is nether contingent or within space and time, he therefor does not exist "/
Plus Justife the belife that the universe needs a start first. What possible reason do we need for existance to requre a beginning?
Why give humans the capasity to do wrong? for his own enjoment? since all that is is cuaseing suffering, hence evil? and evil aint very benevolent "/Quote:
I know evolution exists, just not in the species changing into a different species way, but, for example, immunity is a case of evolution. God never made evil, he made humans with the capacity to be evil and through free will can humans choose to do right or wrong.
Actaly "religios" scients have clamed they disproved gravity and actaly gods pushing us down... only in america.. but still.Quote:
The capability to fly has nothing to do with free will, the only thing stopping you is the incapability of the human body to do so and gravity, not God suddenly pulling you down.
If we had will that was free, we would be god, if we do not have the choise of doing somthing i will is then constrained to the phisical limations, and isnt free at all "/
Such as gods will isnt free ether? if it were he couldnt be benevolent as that limits his will only to good "/
Old testiment god didnt want love? he just wanted worship? he basicly just killed people realy "/ benevolence came with the new testiment, its realy a complty differnt god "/Quote:
Originally Posted by asher_
and why is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by SHADYWARRIOR
*haha at me posting the same as sora, apologies ;p*
I Believe that nothing ever matters in life so wether your straight/Bi/Gay Or anything else It's not something you need to care about! It's basicly the same as being straight if you're gay/bi. I Don't know why people make such a big deal about it, We're all Human! We're eventually all guna die anyway, so my advice is for everyone to just make the most of their lives how they want to & Don't let anything get in the way.
Every single person has a special quality x]
I Know this has nothing to do with God what i'm saying, but i'm just getting my point accross ;]
If God created space and time then God would exist outside of space and time. God never actually changed his ways, Jesus did most of it in the new testament, God rarely actually did much.Quote:
Originally Posted by 01101101entor
Its unatural and purely disgusting.
You cant exist outside space and time, Existance means a continent state inisde space and time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Virgin Mary
Thats like saying a 5 sided shape is a triangle. It doesnt meat the definition hence cannot be a trainagle, same with the existance "/.
Actlay its entirely natural, your just dumbQuote:
Originally Posted by SHADYWARRIOR
and who are you or anyone else to say what is natural?Quote:
Originally Posted by SHADYWARRIOR
It's COMPLETELY natural.Quote:
Its unatural and purely disgusting.
Its completely natural huh? You people are hypocrites as you all know deep down inside you would never get off with the opposite sex.
Then so is being straight. To be honest God doesn't care whether you're gay or straight, he only forbids **** sex which is assosciated with homosexuals for some reason, also which is why he only says "a man shalt not lieth with man" and doesn't forbid a woman lying with a woman; a woman and a woman can't naturally have **** sex.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHADYWARRIOR
God created time and space and with it he created that rule, because God created time and space which we exist within such rules do not apply to him.Quote:
You cant exist outside space and time, Existance means a continent state inisde space and time.
Thats like saying a 5 sided shape is a triangle. It doesnt meat the definition hence cannot be a trainagle, same with the existance "/.
To many assumptions my gender insecure friend. Just becuse your worryed you may be gay aint no reason to go along the "its complty wrong and unatural route" its part of human nature, its variation, the driveing force behind evilotion, the force behind pretty much all life there is on earth "/.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHADYWARRIOR
We creayed that rule lol not god? We could have called 5 sided shapes trainagles, its just the word we use to denote the consept, the consept is the same by any name "/Quote:
God created time and space and with it he created that rule, because God created time and space which we exist within such rules do not apply to him.
Now I don't beleive in god and don't have any religion; but what I am about to say is a pure example of how mankind started and how it is intended to keep on:
God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Harry.
Well you may sleep like to with your sisters, but im not a fan of imbreeding so no thanks...Quote:
Originally Posted by SHADYWARRIOR
Lol that did make me chuckle.
Pfft, I can't be bothered to argue. Lets just say normal people like me and hipocryts like yourself are entilted to our own opinions.
Please elaborate as to how I am being hypocritical. There is nothing unnatural about homosexuals because it comes naturally.Quote:
Originally Posted by SHADYWARRIOR