Why do admins nd 15 rep power?

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02-01-2008, 05:13 PM
Superman

I'm a big fan of inequality, and I see no real reason why they shouldn't be allowed a set rep power above that of most members. You can say it's hypocritical or unfair all you like, but they're in charge and it doesn't hurt anyone anyway
02-01-2008, 05:13 PM
Ostinato

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Originally Posted by euphoria

it doesn't give them the right to do whatever they like? um yes it does. they're management, without them there wouldn't be a forum.

Lol no they don't

If that's the case then is it acceptable for Gordon Brown to get absolutely drunk and drive on the wrong side of the road then run an old woman down and murder his wife....

OH BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE HE IS RUNNING THE COUNTRY.

Fair enough it may not be on such a scale - but it is the same principle.

With power comes responsibility... and quite clearly some admins just can't handle it.

Edit: and yes superman I can say what I like - and I just have lol, likewise you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that.
02-01-2008, 05:15 PM
GommeInc

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Originally Posted by euphoria

it doesn't give them the right to do whatever they like? um yes it does. they're management, without them there wouldn't be a forum.

What a load of crap... Without members, MAD wouldn't be GM, yoshi wouldn't be a SM, nvrspk wouldn't be whatever he is and so on. Members come first, then management, because without members there would be no reason to have management to look over management and an empty board. Members are more important than Management. It's like having staff working in a shop that gets no customers. Waste of time and money.

I am still waiting for management to respond to the comments, because at the moment I am seeing no real comments or anyone dealing with it. Perhaps MAD is reading and just laughing, not knowing that his 'smugness' is gaining him no respect.
02-01-2008, 05:16 PM
Superman

Yeah I wasn't saying you couldn't say it, just that it's not a sound argument. As for the Gordon Brown analogy that's different as it's 1) law and 2) potentially damaging. Rep power is nothing to do with law of what you can and can't do, as technically it is still possible to get the same or above them
02-01-2008, 05:17 PM
Ostinato

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

What a load of crap... Without members, MAD wouldn't be GM, yoshi would be a SM, nvrspk wouldn't be whatever he is and so on. Members come first, then management, because without members there would be no reason to have management to look over management and an empty board. Members are more important than Management. It's like having staff working in a shop that gets no customers. Waste of time and money.

Brilliant post +rep - pmsl ironicly enough I have to spread
02-01-2008, 05:18 PM
WarezKid

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Originally Posted by euphoria

it doesn't give them the right to do whatever they like? um yes it does. they're management, without them there wouldn't be a forum.

Rofl?

Ye it makes a forum without members init.

I mean honestly -.- you cannot have staff without members otherwise there would be NO jobs.
02-01-2008, 05:20 PM
GommeInc

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Originally Posted by ILoveNemo

Rofl?

Ye it makes a forum without members init.

I mean honestly -.- you cannot have staff without members otherwise there would be NO jobs.

Precisely. Which is why the 'members voice' needs to be listened to. Maybe we should start suggesting people move over to Opinion FTW, at least the 'superior' are talking to the 'inferior.'
02-01-2008, 05:22 PM
joshuar

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

I am still waiting for management to respond to the comments, because at the moment I am seeing no real comments or anyone dealing with it. Perhaps MAD is reading and just laughing, not knowing that his 'smugness' is gaining him no respect.

What comments are they? I will be happy to answer them if I can :)
02-01-2008, 05:28 PM
GommeInc

Read the large amount of threads in this forum. It'll be easier than me writing them out. I'll pick out a few from memory:

- How comes there is a lack of communication from higher staff when it comes to changes to the system?
- When are the rules being completely scrapped and re-written so members don't click on the Rules link and think "what the hell is all this?!?"
- Why does the management not ask for peoples opinions on, for example, catagories which no one wanted to begin with, other than a very small minority?
- Why is 8Freak8 still listed as a GM when he quit his jobs many moons ago? Don't tell me because he did aload of work, because that means nothing. If MAD or whoever has enough time to make new catagories, he surely has enough time to make a new member group to put 'Important Ex-Habbox Staff' in. It just shows you're caring about someone's legacy when what he left behind has completely changed.

That's all I can think of for now.
02-01-2008, 05:30 PM
WarezKid

Can i also comment on closing threads?

Why close a thread? i mean, Dont close a thread becasue you think you solved it, just let the thread die, dont close it and cover it up.

(talking to staff)
02-01-2008, 05:41 PM
joshuar

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Read the large amount of threads in this forum. It'll be easier than me writing them out. I'll pick out a few from memory:

- How comes there is a lack of communication from higher staff when it comes to changes to the system?
- When are the rules being completely scrapped and re-written so members don't click on the Rules link and think "what the hell is all this?!?"
- Why does the management not ask for peoples opinions on, for example, catagories which no one wanted to begin with, other than a very small minority?
- Why is 8Freak8 still listed as a GM when he quit his jobs many moons ago? Don't tell me because he did aload of work, because that means nothing. If MAD or whoever has enough time to make new catagories, he surely has enough time to make a new member group to put 'Important Ex-Habbox Staff' in. It just shows you're caring about someone's legacy when what he left behind has completely changed.

That's all I can think of for now.

Okay I'll answer them in order as best as I can, please note that mine isn't the final word:
1) We normally address a "system" change when we see alot of complaints about it and change it. Due to the amount of different opinions it can normally result in many many people not agreeing with the ideas, but also many many people agreeing. We normally hit a stale mate. However, I would think that after this a more member-friendly way of doing things would be used, for example the Habbox Forum Feedback is a good way of doing this.
2) I actually answered your question in Catzsy's thread called "One Man Show":

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Originally Posted by Me

Gomme, I can tell you that the rules are being redone, they are being checked over before going out.

I can also tell you that your not falling on deaf ears, the old rep system won't be coming back, but I believe that the new system can be modified slightly.

3) I believe the catergory was asked to the public, but not many people actually voted, so the 18 that chose Yes and the 9 that didn't mind out of the 38 valid votes (I haven't counted the "What's a catergory" votes) shows that a larger amount would like to see it go ahead rather than the 11 that chose no and again the 9 that didn't mind. If more people voted on things with a larger amount of numbers involved then I would imagine the "no" people would be looked into more. I think that to allow a greater public imput, more people actually need to post where we suggest things.
4) I also am unsure why 8Freak8 is still a AGM, I will ask once more as to why he is still there, as he could go into the normal staff group like properclone did.

Please remember I have answered these based on what I know, and what said may not be 100% correct as I am not GM, but will hopefully help a little bit. And there are probably some contraditions / errors in there aswell.
02-01-2008, 05:44 PM
Mr.OSH

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Why is 8Freak8 still listed as a GM when he quit his jobs many moons ago? Don't tell me because he did aload of work, because that means nothing. If MAD or whoever has enough time to make new catagories, he surely has enough time to make a new member group to put 'Important Ex-Habbox Staff' in. It just shows you're caring about someone's legacy when what he left behind has completely changed.

Just is response to your question about 8Freak8 I believe the reason he has been kept as an Assistant General Manager is so that when he is on the forum he can help out the current General Manager and give his opinions on matters. Additionally he deserves that position for the huge amounts of work he put into the forum and it is sort of like a thank you for the efforts he has shown in the past and as said it allows him to help out and comment on matters when he is around. I may not be correct about this but I'm quite sure this is the reason he has been kept on as an Assistant General Manager. :) I don't see any issue with 8Freak8 having Assistant General Manager permissions after everything he has done for Habbox and the fact that his assistance may still be useful in the future. This is the reason I've always assumed that he is still an AGM even after he resigned as GM.

Edited: I've just looked and 8freak8 doesn't appear as an AGM in the list of staff: www.habboxforum.com/showgroups.php
Also he just appears to have normal staff permissions: http://habboxforum.com/member.php?u=366
02-01-2008, 05:52 PM
Ostinato

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Originally Posted by joshuar

What comments are they? I will be happy to answer them if I can :)

To be honest I find you really quite ignorant and rude joshuar. How dare you ask what comments and questions there are for you to answer when yuo are in a thread in which I have consistently asked the same question about 15 times and an admin has yet to actually provide me with an answer.

If you really are looking for some 'comments' for you to respond to I suggest you read through this thread. :rolleyes:
02-01-2008, 05:57 PM
joshuar

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

To be honest I find you really quite ignorant and rude joshuar. How dare you ask what comments and questions there are for you to answer when yuo are in a thread in which I have consistently asked the same question about 15 times and an admin has yet to actually provide me with an answer.

If you really are looking for some 'comments' for you to respond to I suggest you read through this thread. :rolleyes:

I was actually asking GommeInc what his comments were. I have told you about what I think about your question in this thread and I cannot fully answer the thread as I am not in power to make the decision of an administrators rep power.

I apologise if you find me ignorant and rude, as I don't try to be. I am trying to do what members want and get more communication between the Management and members.
02-01-2008, 05:57 PM
GommeInc

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Originally Posted by joshuar

Okay I'll answer them in order as best as I can, please note that mine isn't the final word:
1) We normally address a "system" change when we see alot of complaints about it and change it. Due to the amount of different opinions it can normally result in many many people not agreeing with the ideas, but also many many people agreeing. We normally hit a stale mate. However, I would think that after this a more member-friendly way of doing things would be used, for example the Habbox Forum Feedback is a good way of doing this.

Then you go with what the majority want, or not change anything at all. It seems what has been changed has made things worse, judging by the replies and comments in the Feedback forum alone.

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2) I actually answered your question in Catzsy's thread called "One Man Show":

Have they been checked over or are they being checked? Your reply didn't make much sense. If they are being checked over, then good if they've been checked over, they're still as random and contradictory as ever...

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3) I believe the catergory was asked to the public, but not many people actually voted, so the 18 that chose Yes and the 9 that didn't mind out of the 38 valid votes (I haven't counted the "What's a catergory" votes) shows that a larger amount would like to see it go ahead rather than the 11 that chose no and again the 9 that didn't mind. If more people voted on things with a larger amount of numbers involved then I would imagine the "no" people would be looked into more. I think that to allow a greater public imput, more people actually need to post where we suggest things.

Where was this opinion poll? Or was it in a forum in the catagory? Because it really should be announced or in this feedback forum...

And thank you for the reply :)

Anyhoo @ opensourcehost.

My God, they've actually taken him off the (A)GM list. He had a green name not long ago. He didn't need all those permissions to discuss ideas with someone who should have ideas of his own...
02-01-2008, 05:59 PM
WarezKid

joshuar, I QUOTED MOST OF ALL THE POST IN THIS THREAD SINCE YOU "CBA" TO READ IT ALL :)

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

Hiya.

To be honest I don't really care about the rep changes or anything that comes with it. However the only question I have regarding it - is why it doesn't affect the administrators rep power?

It seems to be different standards for different people for some reason... I see in the announcement you stated that it is the amount they get set for being an admin - eh fair enough but why does yours have to be set so high? You can quite easily just reduce the amount of rep the usergroup gets, so I don't really see why admins seem to be exempt from this new rule?

And it is besides the point whether or not you will only rep truly worthy posts- as if you rep them truly for being a good post it is irrelevant the reputation you have.

I just really don't see why admins need 15 rep power and are left unaffected from this whilst you slash the rest of our rep power?

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

Why is it vital they keep their 15 rep power then? If they cared about it so little they would also be affected by this along with every other forum member.

Fair enough they help run the forum, but they are already being paid by sierk for this so why should they have extra perks and be exempt from new forum policies whilst all of us are struck with them whether we agree or not?

If it is such a brilliant idea from the admins I don't understand why they are not willing to practice what they preach.

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

Lol no don't get me wrong - it's not as though I am like 'ALL DA ADMINS R STEALIN OUR REPS N R LIKE HAHAHAH I HAV DA GRETEST REP POWRZS'... I know a lot of the admins won't actually care about having the rep at all and I understand 15rep is what the vbulletin is set to or whatever... but I am also aware that the usergroup's reputation power can also be edited and therefore there isn't really any reason why you guys should just be exempt from having your rep power affected...

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

Well if they have more then fair enough - let them have what they are entitled to.

But I have still to be shown why exactly the admins need this rep power, which they haven't actually earned in any way, which is so greater than other forum members? And why they are left unaffected from a new policy they enforce on the rest of us - even though they are really the only ones who agree with it anyway...

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

It has been an issue before and the need for admins to have 15 rep has been raised many times. However I normally couldn't really care - but in this instance I just don't see why it is different standards for different people, especially those who introduced the rule...

I'm glad you agree it needs reviewing and that admins should also follow it.

That's 2 admins agreeing with me and the other users that they too should be affected... It'll be interesting to hear from a few certain others :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

Erm no actually - the whole forum has not gone down equally. The normal members have, but for some reason the admins have been left exempt.

Just because he is expressing his opinion saying that he disagrees with it does not mean it's a hard man act - fair enough if you disagree with his opinion but I found your view upon the whole "hard man" crap a bit irrelevant to be honest and don't really understand where you concluded it from.

If you don't agree with his opinion then fair enough, but theres no need to act like a little girl over it. Try your own words - if you have such a big deal with another forum member and/or their opinion go find another forum.

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

Well good for you - thats your personal opinion but you seem to forget he is eqwually entitled to his and his every right to express it in the way he wishes (as long as it is acceptable).

Well in my opinion admins are 'regular members'. They just have a red name. They aren't like some sort of celebrity... they help keep the forum running and I am grateful to them for their hard work - but it seems its often forgot that it's actually the "regular members" these people are supposed to be working for...

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

Exactly. He knows fine well he has no reasonable explanation as to why admins actually need this amount of reputation and why they should be immune from such a change that affects the rest of the forum - especially considering they are the flipping only ones who wanted the change in the first place!

Oh are you sure 10 is enough for you JIMI? I'm sure you wouldn't mind having 10 rep that you didn't actually earn :rolleyes: Why should you guys have special rep in the first place? You don't have any purpose for it as you don't use it for any administration purposes...

Explain to me still JIMI why the rest of us should be affected by this but you guys are left with your great big 15 rep. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Yes I agree in the hands of people like you it is fine and to be fair with someone like J1MI and other positive management who I don't think would use it as a power tool. However that's what it all comes down to I believe.

I believe quite simply that in some quarters it was felt that the 'power' and 'influence' had shifted from the management team to the forum in some respects and they didn't like it. Simple as that really. :P I think perhaps it should be reduced to 10 to show good will to all as it stands everyone has lost out except them. It might seem silly but there was a sense of achievement to get to 26 rep power and I know that Ostinato was higher mainly because of his enormous help to the members over the years. We are both here with the same accounts we joined with too.

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

Yes, they volunteer out of their own choice - and don't make out as though you get nothing back for your time mad, personally I think payment from sierk is plenty. :rolleyes:

Even so, if you do deserve some sort of extra rep or whatever fair enough - you should be given so many extra reputation points. However, that doesn't explain why you guys should be left unaffected from this new reputation policy which the rest of us have to suffer?

I find it quite hypocritical that it is the admins who aren't affected by this even though you guys seem to be the only one in favour of it (as illustrated by the poll conducted with 4 out of 5 users against it).

If this was trully such a brilliant idea which you were so certain and sure of - maybe you should practise what you preach? Or would that be losing too much power - sorry rep power* - for you. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Nail on the head - also I thought they suggested that it was being changed as some had pointless that wasn't earned. Well the admin isnt earned either although some did have high rep powers before. 10 would be fair to reflect that they could use it positively. At the end if the day though It doesn't matter how many rep power people have as to whether your respect rating is high and you have a very high respect rating on this forum Ostinato.

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

Lol exactly - at the end of the day they can try and kid on there mr pop'z wif there rep haha - but it's quite clear from the backlash that their just not.

Exactly jrh. Because you know yourself that it isn't fair how there seems to be double standards issues by certain people - which also just happen to be in favour of those individuals. :rolleyes: Don't get me wrong, I know a lot of admins won't even bother about rep or anything at all and jrh you are probably one of the only decent admins there is atm. However, I just cannot understand why mad and nvr who are so for this groundbreaking, absolutely fantasticly brilliant new policy - aren't willing to follow it themselves?!

What I really don't understand though - is why this new system is still being carried out? It's quite clear MAD isn't actually interested in what the users of this forum want. Maybe it's time he actually realised it is the people of the forum these changes are supposed to be for - and the fact that 4 out of 5 people voted against it and it still happened isn't very reassuring in my opinion. This is like Tony Blair all over again... haha :P

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Originally Posted by jrh2002

To be honest I don't care about the reputation :o turning it off is not my best idea but making everybody have 1 as their rep power forever would work :o then you get nice comments for your posts, you build up a reputation score and no competition who has the most green blocks. The change had to happen and the fuss made over it just shows how important these stupid green blocks are to everybody.

Don't start me on tony blair lol the only good thing is how hes stitched up his mate by leaving at the right time haha

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

Lol well maybe MAD could follow in his footsteps then... :rolleyes::P

To be perfectly honest with you, I couldn't care less if I personally had red rep haha and had none at all. The only reason I am involved is due to the principle of the matter - that for some reason there seems to be certain rules for 'normal members' but a completely different standard for admins. If it's the case in terms of reputation why not just let admins post adult pics and avoid the filter - I mean you may aswell have a different set of rules completely if your going to do it with certain ones.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Management continuously bleat about 'how it had to happen' no it didn't, the large majority prefers the old repututation system and you changed it without asking their opinions, especially when the members have PAID for it.

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

They have to show their authority some way? There was me thinking the purpose of admins was to help keep the forum running smoothly and to bring in us new changes and policies which would benefit our community as a whole and please the community. Sorry - I'm forgetting it's all just a matter of power here as your post has quite clearly shown.

Why did admins power have to increase though just because other users got more than them? It really does just show that you can't accept not being the top dog for some reason as though not having the most reputation points is in some way going to affect you or your ability to administrate the forum effectively. Your reputation is absolutely irrelevant and does not assist you in any of your administration duties - and there is therefore no reason why you need to ensure you guys have more than anyone else.

This isn't a matter of who has the most rep here --ss-- which I think you fail to understand. Just because other people have more rep than some admins still does not mean that it justifies the actions.

Could MAD or someone with a bit of knowledge please finally answer me the one question I have repeatedly been asking throughout this thread:-

If it is such a brilliant idea then why will the administrators not practice what they preach - rather than enforcing a rule upon people who have shown they do not want it?!

I doubt I will get a logical reason - simply because there isn't one other than what --ss-- has admitted himself... The admins are just far too afraid they're losing their grip on us so obviously feel that by bringing our reputation right now whilst making sure they still have the highest amount will erm, 'show their authority'.

Lol I must say - brilliant post --ss--... Basically sums up the whole attitude that so many admins seem to have (minus a few) and the current roles upon this forum... authority. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by --ss--

Well seeing as the admins do alot for the forum including helping people , making sure everything works etc They deserve something in return as without them the forum would fall apart.
I can guarantee that 99% of all forums you will visit (Well Habbo ones atleast) will have admins with a set high rep power and in some cases they are generally high, When I said it shows authority I was generalizing all forums not just Habbox.

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Originally Posted by jrh2002

Looking back there are lots of things that shouldnt have happened over the years. There was talk of the whole rep system starting over or being turned off. It has been a total mess and some stupidly high rep powers for one reason or another. By making it harder to gain rep it was a good idea and the only issue I can see is that people lost rep power which i do understand is annoying. You still have your rep points you gained just everybody has lost power apart from admins but I dont care if they put us level with every other member or not but personally I would like to have mine at what it would be for my posts. On the other hand while people have been gaining rep by posting I probably have more posts in the staff forums than on the main forum over the years :o I would like my rep points adding for my posts that were taken away by removing post count from staff forums or at least the serious staff forums.

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

Exactly and I agree with your post. It was being made a mockery of and something should have been done - absolutely right and fair enough. However, it still isn't clear to me why this only affects certain chosen members and not those who actually want to enforce the rule?

You may have been talking about forums in general, but it has to be said some are worse for it than others and Habboxforum is no exception at all.

They do deserve something in return -ss--, and perhaps that is why they are paid with money? Perhaps that is why they already have a different coloured name to normal users?

Even if they do deserve extra rep - fine, give them the extra points... But why the hell should they just not be affected in any way at all whilst the rest of us are?

It's the high of hypocrisy and your post does not bring light as to why there seems to be different rules for different people and the management of this forum ultimately are unwilling to practice what they preach.

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Originally Posted by opensourcehost

At the end of the day the administrators run the forum. They only give reputation to members that reserve it and if you think about it "reputation" is a measure of how well known you are and how much you have done for the forum, how much you help others etc which means that the administrators probably deserve it to start with. Then also does this matter all that much? They are only going to be adding reputation to people who they feel truly deserve it so I don't see why it would cause such a problem that they have the highest reputation on the forum when without them it wouldn't be able to function properly? If it is really important that it is lowered or that they work their way up like other members then they could easily do this but I really don't think it matters. Maybe getting their reputation level changed to a default of 10 or something if it is needed but from my perspective I don't see why it is a problem. I think that is the way it is supposed to be really, administrators are running the forum therefore they have the most "reputation" for working hard to keep it running and a good amount of member have respect for them for what they do. I can see why you think they should have it lowered but in all honestly I think that 1) it doesn't totally matter 2) they run the forum after all, they deserve it really.

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Originally Posted by Superman

Seriously of all the problems with recent rep changes why pick the fact that admin have a fixed amount to cry about? There's no sound argument for why they shouldn't do as they please (seeing as how they run the place and we're hardly communists) and all this is really doing is serve as a distraction from the issue of sorting out the real issue of the change.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Which is in your opinion?

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Originally Posted by Saurav

Disable rep ... that will end all the arguments. Refund people who bought REP or give them free vip. Rep is worthless now and a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by Superman

I meant the change in general (as I don't believe the reasons given for it are of sound argument), rather than picking out one unimportant side effect of it.

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Originally Posted by JackHb

I don't see why admins rep power is a big issue.
I am sure they all don't go around repping people all day as they have work to do.

They run the forum so for all i care they can have 100 rep power

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Originally Posted by jrh2002

You have a good point but remember all vip's would need to be refunded if this was the case as it was part of the vip package.
The idea of turning the rep system off was discussed but would have caused more problems than just making it harder to get rep power and leting you all keep your rep points earned or bought.

The T&C's state hxf can pick and choose to refund so nobody would get a refund if it happened unless everybody did which would probably make the whole of habbox collapse paying 4 years of donations back.

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Originally Posted by Saurav

I'm sure if rep was scrapped overall, most of the VIPs wouldnt argue about it. Subforums were scrapped, some users moaned but not for long.
Scrapping it would stop arguments over negative rep, the current situation we have here and also save an admin time looking at pointless rep.

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Originally Posted by joshuar

But we can't say "VIP's won't moan about reputation" as I personally thought that a majority of people would take this decision in. I would love to see the reputation system disabled then renabled from the start again in a month or so.

The system has become way too much hassle, for something which is only meant to be a tiny part of the forums itself.

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Originally Posted by Saurav

Would be better to replace the reputation with the "Thanks" system. If a user likes a post, they can click a button to thank the post creator. You can see the number of thanks a user has got in their profile. It is a modification which can be found on vBulletin.org and it would be so much better than the reputation system.

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Originally Posted by jrh2002

I was dead set against the system being scrapped or even started again but after the reaction to the best possible option in my view I think that is the way to go.
We could make it so people only ever get rep power from time on the forum and not from post count and receiving rep and then it could never be abused to the extent it has again. this way people could keep their rep score but not the rediculous rep power.

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

All of you are talking about all these other strategies and stuff that can be used... they are all brilliant but that is not the reason I created this thread.

The purpose of this seprate thread was in hope to find the answer to one very simple question, that every admin who has posted seems to have avoided.

If it is such a brilliant idea then why will the administrators not practice what they preach - rather than enforcing a rule upon people who have shown they do not want it?!

Throughout this whole thread it is the one question I have been seeking an answer of - and it is yet to be provided.

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Originally Posted by joshuar

jrh is up for taking it away, I don't mind if it goes but I personally don't care either way. It's up to them what they do with their reputation.

I can't really speak on behalf of the administrators and what will happen with it.

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Originally Posted by Wootzeh

Why do you care if Admins have 15rep power?

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

Listen if you haven't even bothered to read this thread and understand the full scope of it - don't post.

If you did have the decency to enquire what it was about beforehand you will see that I don't actually care as to how much rep the admins have - it's the simple principle that there seems to be different rules for different people and I do not see why they are being left unaffected from this new rule.

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Originally Posted by euphoria

Ostinato you're being a baby throwing his toys out the pram.
They are 'superior' to normal members, vips and most staff. Why should they not have a set, higher Rep Power?

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

I think admins should have 10 rep power. 15 is far too much and MAD or someone has said it would be rare to see people over 10 so 10 rep power would be more adequate.

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Originally Posted by Carbrini

I agree with euphoria tbh

+ Rep

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

I am being a baby because I am expressing my opinion regarding an issue which affects me as a paying customer and member of this community... erm okay then.

I'm sorry but I refuse to say MAD is superior to me - or anyone for that matter. The thought of it makes me laugh.

Also, quite clearly you are far too ignorant and narrow minded to fully grasp my full point here as you have evidently not followed the thread closely enough to even have any valid sort of opinion.

I couldn't care if the admins had a set rep power of 1000! I just don't see why they should be left unaffected from new rules which the rest of us are suffering... if it is the case of that for one rule then it may as well be for the rest.

Please try and actually have the decency to read the thread in future and understand my argument before making any further idiotic and pointless posts simply outlining your ignorance and humiliating yourself any further.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

They are superior? I do not think the ethos of this site is for anybody to think they feel/or are superior to anybody. I am sure the GM or Sierk will correct me if I am wrong here. I wouldnt really mind about the higher rep power at all if the new rep system wasnt so harsh. I understand there maybe some changes to it anyway.

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Originally Posted by ODT

It's because admins think there supperior to us :$

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Originally Posted by parasite

Disable the feature all together.

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

But they are not, and unfortunately silly little boys like him are the sort of people who go about thinking MAD is king and worshipping him being too afraid to question any decision.

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Originally Posted by euphoria

if you was on about me there then you are grossly mistaken LOL.

in the forum hierachy, they are superior. i didn't mean in reality or anything, i was on about the forum. they are management, they make the desicions around here. all this equality **** is ******** and everyone damn well knows it.

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

They are not superior. Superior is far too strong a word. They in some way represent our community as a whole and simply carry out a voluntary position in order to run and improve our forum. Therefore we have a duty as both customers and members to voice our opinions and help shape the forum in the way we wish - as this place is for us.

That doesn't mean they are better than any of us at all - and does not in any way give them the right to think they can just do whatever the hell they like. Nor does it mean there should be different rules for them and us - which unfortunately seems to be the way it is going.

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Originally Posted by euphoria

it doesn't give them the right to do whatever they like? um yes it does. they're management, without them there wouldn't be a forum.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Maybe back in the 1940's Ben but the world has come long way since then in most countries of the world. :)

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Originally Posted by Superman

I'm a big fan of inequality, and I see no real reason why they shouldn't be allowed a set rep power above that of most members. You can say it's hypocritical or unfair all you like, but they're in charge and it doesn't hurt anyone anyway

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

Lol no they don't

If that's the case then is it acceptable for Gordon Brown to get absolutely drunk and drive on the wrong side of the road then run an old woman down and murder his wife....

OH BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE HE IS RUNNING THE COUNTRY.

Fair enough it may not be on such a scale - but it is the same principle.

With power comes responsibility... and quite clearly some admins just can't handle it.

Edit: and yes superman I can say what I like - and I just have lol, likewise you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

What a load of crap... Without members, MAD wouldn't be GM, yoshi wouldn't be a SM, nvrspk wouldn't be whatever he is and so on. Members come first, then management, because without members there would be no reason to have management to look over management and an empty board. Members are more important than Management. It's like having staff working in a shop that gets no customers. Waste of time and money.

I am still waiting for management to respond to the comments, because at the moment I am seeing no real comments or anyone dealing with it. Perhaps MAD is reading and just laughing, not knowing that his 'smugness' is gaining him no respect.

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Originally Posted by Superman

Yeah I wasn't saying you couldn't say it, just that it's not a sound argument. As for the Gordon Brown analogy that's different as it's 1) law and 2) potentially damaging. Rep power is nothing to do with law of what you can and can't do, as technically it is still possible to get the same or above them

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

Brilliant post +rep - pmsl ironicly enough I have to spread

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Originally Posted by ILoveNemo

Rofl?

Ye it makes a forum without members init.

I mean honestly -.- you cannot have staff without members otherwise there would be NO jobs.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Precisely. Which is why the 'members voice' needs to be listened to. Maybe we should start suggesting people move over to Opinion FTW, at least the 'superior' are talking to the 'inferior.'

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Originally Posted by joshuar

What comments are they? I will be happy to answer them if I can :)

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Read the large amount of threads in this forum. It'll be easier than me writing them out. I'll pick out a few from memory:

- How comes there is a lack of communication from higher staff when it comes to changes to the system?
- When are the rules being completely scrapped and re-written so members don't click on the Rules link and think "what the hell is all this?!?"
- Why does the management not ask for peoples opinions on, for example, catagories which no one wanted to begin with, other than a very small minority?
- Why is 8Freak8 still listed as a GM when he quit his jobs many moons ago? Don't tell me because he did aload of work, because that means nothing. If MAD or whoever has enough time to make new catagories, he surely has enough time to make a new member group to put 'Important Ex-Habbox Staff' in. It just shows you're caring about someone's legacy when what he left behind has completely changed.

That's all I can think of for now.

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Originally Posted by ILoveNemo

Can i also comment on closing threads?

Why close a thread? i mean, Dont close a thread becasue you think you solved it, just let the thread die, dont close it and cover it up.

(talking to staff)

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Originally Posted by Falcon

Admins don't care about their rep, they're here to keep the forum running smoothly.

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Originally Posted by Carbrini

I agree with this lad

Its unfair how admin gets more for not doing anything.

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Originally Posted by jrh2002

Thats the way admin are setup on all VB to start with but I know what you are saying. Put me at what rep power I should be I don't really care much for it.

Here is what ive been posting about.

Its the rep points and the comments I receive that work for me.
I don't care about how much power i have to rep another person as long as they get my comment then its all good.

I have been saying people should get their first rep power after 100 posts.
1 rep power every 6 months here.
No rep power for amount of posts to stop pointless posting
No rep power for rep received so giving or receiving rep just to gain more rep power would not work.
Yes if this happened I would not care if admin had to follow the same rules and have our +15 removed and put to what we should be at.

Those saying you have had your rep stolen I can assure you its still there if you check your rep amount its just the boundries for gaining rep power have been made bigger.

If people had not got rep with vip which seemed ok or even bought rep which i think was a rediculous idea to do in the first place then I would have sooner seen the back of it for good.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Sam

They originally had 10 rep power, then the high rep people got to 20 ish rep power and they raised it to 15.

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Originally Posted by Nick.

I think administrators of the forum should get 10 rep power, unless what they've actually earned is higher than ten points.

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Originally Posted by BainzeyHosting

Can I just ask.. when I got VIP I didnt get my rep points which it says on the VIP page..

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Originally Posted by Mr.Sam

You ask for it in the vip features thread, i'll get a url...
http://www.habboxforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=638

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Originally Posted by yoshimitsui

You have to request it :)

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Originally Posted by Superman

I'd say this is the most ridiculous thread I've ever seen but I couldn't say it in honesty with some of the stuff in here recently. However, as I said in the other thread:

Kinda distracts from the whole point of this really, not needed.

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Originally Posted by jrh2002

I'm sure we had 15 when the forum was first set up :o saying that it has been a while and a few nights out since so wont argue lol 10 will do :p

Maybe we will lose our rep power that has not been discussed yet. The main issue was alot of the members giving pointless rep not staff.

I have never been paid for any job on habbox and if I was offered which ive not been I would refuse.

what you do have to remember alot of admin would probably have had more rep power than their 15 under the old rep structure so maybe they should give us more to make up for our previous disadvantages :P yes that is a joke before ppl start crying.

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Originally Posted by :.:.:.:Dom:.:.:

******** - THE ONLY REASON ADMIN'S BOUGHT THIS IS IS COZ THEY WANTED A HIGHER REP THAN EVERYONE ELSE.

******** IF YOU WAS OFFERED MONEY YOU WOULD GO MAD, AND TAKE IT BEFORE I COULD SAY STOP.

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Originally Posted by jrh2002

We would not have rep power above 15 now with the new system and to be honest I think that we should follow the same rep system as the other users. :)

It started off as a standard feature for admins and if its been raised or not over the years then so what because its never been an issue as far as I am aware. Now that the boundries for gaining rep have been moved it probably has become more of an issue so worth us looking at.

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Originally Posted by Nick.

You seem very wound up by this decision, it doesn't really make a difference to you, you would still have one rep power (I think? :S) anyway. If you're that annoyed about it, leave? Easy.

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Originally Posted by jrh2002

I think he got a knock back from one of the admin and its made him a little bitter towards us all.

Everybody is in the same position with rep points its just their power that has gone down. I do think Admin having a set rep power should be looked at and will make a post in the staff forum.

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Originally Posted by :.:.:.:Dom:.:.:

I am just standing up for people who have worked for there rep.

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Originally Posted by Nick.

They haven't lost any reputation, no points have been deducted. If you used to have say, 20 rep power and now say you only have 10, it makes no difference, because the whole forum has gone down in rep power equally, so you still have a high rep power, just in a lower number. If you understand? Even though it doesn't apple to you.

No one's lost rep, so quit this "OMG OMG OMG WE WANT REP THE ADMINS ARE ******S" hard boy act, and just leave it. It doesn't make a difference to you. If you have any problems with reputation go join another forum.

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Originally Posted by Nick.

I'm not being a little girl, I just think he is ranting all over the forum about it, using caps lock, and I think it's unnecessary.

Also when I said the whole forum, I mean every regular member. Sorry if it didn't seem clear at the time.
02-01-2008, 06:03 PM
Hitman

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Originally Posted by ILoveNemo

joshuar, I QUOTED MOST OF ALL THE POST IN THIS THREAD SINCE YOU "CBA" TO READ IT ALL :)

:rolleyes:

Bigger than the bible! :O
02-01-2008, 06:03 PM
joshuar

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Then you go with what the majority want, or not change anything at all. It seems what has been changed has made things worse, judging by the replies and comments in the Feedback forum alone.

The reputation system has been a mess for a while (I am using reputation as this is this most recent example), we had alot of pointless reputation being given out and people wanted -reps removed not because of the comment, but because of the amount of points lost. But maybe in the future a second opinion poll could take place in which it's an "official" thread.

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Have they been checked over or are they being checked? Your reply didn't make much sense. If they are being checked over, then good if they've been checked over, they're still as random and contradictory as ever...

Apologies, I sometimes don't make sense. They have been created and we are just looking over them. I can safely say they look much better :)

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Where was this opinion poll? Or was it in a forum in the catagory? Because it really should be announced or in this feedback forum...

I looked at this thread: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=424711.

I hope this helped, in my ever unhelpful ways :)

And ILoveNemo, when did I say I "CBA" to read it all? Please quote me as I have read through it and replied several times, but it seems that nobody takes much notice of my replies. I am starting to get confused between this thread and others now, but I am sure I replied to the thread creator about the situation.
02-01-2008, 06:07 PM
Catzsy

I think Ostinato misunderstood Joshuar's post that's all. Can we leave him alone he is one of the good guys here. :D

I think Habbox perhaps should have a mission statement to show what essentially Habbox is about and what kind of forum they see it as from their perspective. It would help new people when deciding to join I think.
02-01-2008, 06:07 PM
WarezKid

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Originally Posted by joshuar

The reputation system has been a mess for a while (I am using reputation as this is this most recent example), we had alot of pointless reputation being given out and people wanted -reps removed not because of the comment, but because of the amount of points lost. But maybe in the future a second opinion poll could take place in which it's an "official" thread.

Apologies, I sometimes don't make sense. They have been created and we are just looking over them. I can safely say they look much better :)

I looked at this thread: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=424711.

I hope this helped, in my ever unhelpful ways :)

And ILoveNemo, when did I say I "CBA" to read it all? Please quote me as I have read through it and replied several times, but it seems that nobody takes much notice of my replies. I am starting to get confused between this thread and others now, but I am sure I replied to the thread creator about the situation.

http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost....7&postcount=93

It another way of saying cba.

It could see the whole thread needed answering, and it wasnt just all to you so dont worry ;). i meant to the others who said they cba, in some other threads.
02-01-2008, 06:08 PM
dannyisnotamazing

omg people just deal with it this is getting lame now
02-01-2008, 06:10 PM
WarezKid

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

I think Ostinato misunderstood Joshuar's post that's all. Can we leave him alone he is one of the good guys here. :D

I think Habbox perhaps should have a mission statement to show what essentially Habbox is about and what kind of forum they see it as from their perspective. It would help new people when deciding to join I think.

I argee, also jrh.

Some people need to get there head together.

next time maybe they wont make the same mistake.
02-01-2008, 06:13 PM
joshuar

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Originally Posted by ILoveNemo

http://www.habboxforum.com/showpost....7&postcount=93

It another way of saying cba.

It could see the whole thread needed answering, and it wasnt just all to you so dont worry ;). i meant to the others who said they cba, in some other threads.

As I said earlier I can't actually answer this thread as I believe that only ---MAD--- can give the full answer, but as GommeInc said he was waiting for comments to be answered I thought I would answer them for him. Saying what I said isn't my way of saying cba. If I cba I will either state and reply to what I read or just not reply at all. Again, apologies if you thought I was being rude by that post, that was not my intention.
02-01-2008, 07:00 PM
benjamin

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Originally Posted by Ostinato

Lol no they don't

If that's the case then is it acceptable for Gordon Brown to get absolutely drunk and drive on the wrong side of the road then run an old woman down and murder his wife....

OH BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE HE IS RUNNING THE COUNTRY.

Fair enough it may not be on such a scale - but it is the same principle.

With power comes responsibility... and quite clearly some admins just can't handle it.

Edit: and yes superman I can say what I like - and I just have lol, likewise you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that.

but your example, he would be breaking the law.
what's happening here is that something is changing, and admins isn't.
admins have had 15 rep for a good few years now, they used to have 10, they upped it to 15 when someone got to 12 as far as i can remember, no one moaned then?
just take a look at what you're moaning and ranting about, and how much time you must've wasted on this thread.
02-01-2008, 09:59 PM
GommeInc

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Originally Posted by joshuar

Apologies, I sometimes don't make sense. They have been created and we are just looking over them. I can safely say they look much better :)

Huzzar, how much smaller will it be than the huge mess which is known as the forum rules? Also, have rules A5 (you can't be rude full stop, so this rule is pointless) A7 (you can't point out liars, so this rule contradicts another rule which I believe may have been deleted while I type this (where you can't pick out liars), A15 (you can limit that in the ACP so why have it listed as a rule?) A16 (general information if anything), A19 (should be listed somewhere with VIP information), A22 (it makes no sense and seems impossible, but if it is, it should be listed with the rule mentioning illegal activity and Habbo), A30 (isn't what I would call a rule, more like general information) , A33 (still makes sense and the person who created the rule knows it doesn't make sense) been scrapped?
02-01-2008, 10:05 PM
Ed.

Why does rep matter.. Big deal!
03-01-2008, 12:04 AM
Ostinato

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Originally Posted by joshuar

I was actually asking GommeInc what his comments were. I have told you about what I think about your question in this thread and I cannot fully answer the thread as I am not in power to make the decision of an administrators rep power.

I apologise if you find me ignorant and rude, as I don't try to be. I am trying to do what members want and get more communication between the Management and members.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

I think Ostinato misunderstood Joshuar's post that's all. Can we leave him alone he is one of the good guys here. :D

I think Habbox perhaps should have a mission statement to show what essentially Habbox is about and what kind of forum they see it as from their perspective. It would help new people when deciding to join I think.

I understood his post fully Catzsy lol. However I do apologise to you joshuar and in retrospect feel I was a bit harsh calling you ignorant and rude.

However - you said yourself you cannot answer the question, for whatever reason. Therefore when you post here asking for what questions you can answer surely you understand why it is so frustrating for me as I have been repeatedly asking the one question over and over - but it seems many admins wish to ignore it simply because it's a question they don't like and have no reasonable explanation to.

I know your not a bad guy and nor is jrh - you 2 are probably the only 2 admins I have a bit of respect for, and like I say I take back my harsh comments but still stand by the fact that I am waiting for some form of response from someone.

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