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18-04-2008, 10:18 PM
:....:mike:....:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Professor-Alex

On purpose? That's a pretty serious accusation, and one that holds no ground at all. He's even said that he might have been a bit too strict, what grounds do you accuse him of abusing powers on?

All I am saying is that you make a decision when you see the edit button on a post you do not see is appropriate. If he or whoever thought twice, he or whoever wouldn't have had to put that edit text and then say I was wrong just to cover it up. He or whoever knew very well they did it on purpose because like any other person knows that they benefit from it. Btw, your methods of trying to make us look below you is pathetic and doesn't work on me or anyone else. So, I noticed you find yourself pretty high on top there with those questions and statements you continuously use against people to make them look stupid.
18-04-2008, 10:19 PM
samsaBEAR

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Originally Posted by Hollywood

I think certain mods need a listen on what rules are...

lol i was thinking that. its ironic that we're trying to explain to a moderator what the rules are.

basically, imagine that i started a thread about carrots, then someone said how they hate carrots, but like parsnips. then someone said they liked parsnips to, and it sparked a conversation about parsnips, this is alright.

however, if i started a thread about ipods, and someone said about parsnips, this is off-topic, unless of course they somehow found a way to link an ipod with a parsnip.
18-04-2008, 10:20 PM
Thetan

Quote:

Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:

All I am saying is that you make a decision when you see the edit button on a post you do not see is appropriate. If he or whoever thought twice, he or whoever wouldn't have had to put that edit text and then say I was wrong just to cover it up. He or whoever knew very well they did it on purpose because like any other person knows that they benefit from it. Btw, your methods of trying to make us look below you is pathetic and doesn't work on me or anyone else. So, I noticed you find yourself pretty high on top there with those questions and statements you continuously use against people to make them look stupid.

Well, I sometimes notice that about Alex, saying that I am being patronizing, but it is kind've true because I may have put it a little bit nicer, but thats just how it goes.
18-04-2008, 10:23 PM
today

Quote:

Originally Posted by samsaBEAR

lol i was thinking that. its ironic that we're trying to explain to a moderator what the rules are.

basically, imagine that i started a thread about carrots, then someone said how they hate carrots, but like parsnips. then someone said they liked parsnips to, and it sparked a conversation about parsnips, this is alright.

however, if i started a thread about ipods, and someone said about parsnips, this is off-topic, unless of course they somehow found a way to link an ipod with a parsnip.

Of course.

Any thread like

iPods > Apple > New iPod Advertisment > Features of "new iPod" > "Discussion on what iPod is best

Thats fine as its still relating to the orginal post.
So was the 4chan thread. :rolleyes:
18-04-2008, 10:23 PM
:....:mike:....:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thetan

Well, I sometimes notice that about Alex, saying that I am being patronizing, but it is kind've true because I may have put it a little bit nicer, but thats just how it goes.

Moderators always say we want to be treated the same way as users because we don't want to seem so high in power. So, I chose to speak to him as a user
as someone I prefer to exploit vs. someone I rather look up to for anything.
18-04-2008, 10:24 PM
Catzsy

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Originally Posted by Mrs.McCall

No, I can 100% see where you are coming from.

I just thought that I'd explain my actions. I am not a moderator because I enjoy having a go at people. I'm not perfect, I may make mistakes but I feel it is unfair for people to attack moderators simply because they have a position of power on Habboxforum.

I would never, ever abuse my powers or edit for the sake of editing. I simply over-edited that thread, a misjudgment that was not done purposely. I think any suggestion otherwise is unjust and unfair.

I 110% believe that. You would never - you have only done what you thought to be right. That's all. :)

Yes, maybe someone should re-announce the definition of off-topic.

Last direction by Sierk as I posted before but I think it got losts :P
http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...ighlight=topic
18-04-2008, 10:25 PM
GhostFace-

i find this simple,
If Mods continue to edit when there not suposed to

Perm ban.

just like the new rules on the feedback forum !!

fair is fair.
18-04-2008, 10:26 PM
Callum.

Also, I find that only one edit per person is needed, rather than going down the whole list of "poinless, off-topic" posts, the last post should be edited with a message involving no more of "x".
18-04-2008, 10:27 PM
Thetan

Quote:

Originally Posted by GhostFace-

i find this simple,
If Mods continue to edit when there not suposed to

Perm ban.

just like the new rules on the feedback forum !!

fair is fair.

I would like if this to was a casual forum, I don't want the management to be gung ho on moderators because they make a mistake.
18-04-2008, 10:28 PM
Mrs.McCall

Quote:

Originally Posted by GhostFace-

i find this simple,
If Mods continue to edit when there not suposed to

Perm ban.

just like the new rules on the feedback forum !!

fair is fair.

Well, if that moderator would be fired if there was no explanation.

However, I believe I had good reason to edit the posts I did BUT I over-edited the thread and I believe Callum is right in only editing one or two of the posts.

edit: I think the people who are going on about the irony of telling a forum moderator the "rules". I think the irony is that members say moderators get above their station when members to the same thing.

I think respect works both ways.
18-04-2008, 10:28 PM
:....:mike:....:

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Originally Posted by mynameisCALLUM

Also, I find that only one edit per person is needed, rather than going down the whole list of "poinless, off-topic" posts, the last post should be edited with a message involving no more of "x".

There is no point of arguing about mod's mistakes because most mods take their job too seriously that is why they make so many mistakes (supposedly). I believe mods should be trained not have to read a handbook that management have no proof of knowing you read.
18-04-2008, 10:31 PM
Callum.

Quote:

Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:

There is no point of arguing about mod's mistakes because most mods take their job too seriously that is why they make so many mistakes (supposedly). I believe mods should be trained not have to read a handbook that management have no proof of knowing you read.

I'm not arguing, I'm suggesting, and putting my own opinion across while respecting others.

And then adding to my idea, the edit would most of the time be correct, as say 1 in 10 semi pointless/"off-topic" posts would definetly be pointless without a doubt in one thread.
18-04-2008, 10:37 PM
Catzsy

Quote:

Originally Posted by mynameisCALLUM

Also, I find that only one edit per person is needed, rather than going down the whole list of "poinless, off-topic" posts, the last post should be edited with a message involving no more of "x".

Agreed except we then get complaints that nobody else was edited. :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thetan

I would like if this to was a casual forum, I don't want the management to be gung ho on moderators because they make a mistake.

I don't think anybody on this forum should be gung-ho.

Quote:

Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:

There is no point of arguing about mod's mistakes because most mods take their job too seriously that is why they make so many mistakes (supposedly). I believe mods should be trained not have to read a handbook that management have no proof of knowing you read.

Agreed. I helped with the last Moderator's Handbook but it was meant as a supplement to not as a substitution for Training. I have to add a rider though that I have only been back less than a week and there could be a training system set up.
18-04-2008, 10:42 PM
Callum.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catzsy

Agreed except we then get complaints that nobody else was edited. :(

I meant one edit per person, not one edit per thread as some people are following the rules, and the ones that are not should get edited to show it's them.
18-04-2008, 10:43 PM
Catzsy

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Originally Posted by mynameisCALLUM

I meant one edit per person, not one edit per thread as some people are following the rules, and the ones that are not should get edited to show it's them.

Okay, I agree thats a good way :)
18-04-2008, 10:45 PM
:....:mike:....:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catzsy

Okay, I agree thats a good way :)

If only all the moderators were this understanding. All the mods want to complicate an easy situation and to argue their innocence.
18-04-2008, 10:47 PM
Mrs.McCall

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Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:

If only all the moderators were this understanding. All the mods want to complicate an easy situation and to argue their innocence.

Slight generalisation?

And mods have every right to if everyone is having a go at them for doing their jobs! I think that the moderators in this thread that have replied have replied nicely without confusing things and I know i've tried to explain my school of thought.
18-04-2008, 10:49 PM
:....:mike:....:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrs.McCall

Slight generalisation?

And mods have every right to if everyone is having a go at them for doing their jobs! I think that the moderators in this thread that have replied have replied nicely without confusing things and I know i've tried to explain my school of thought.

There was at least 3-4 moderators this week arguing for their mistakes. You are not the only one who fought against the members. The irony is that every mod ended up giving in. :rolleyes:
18-04-2008, 10:51 PM
Mrs.McCall

Quote:

Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:

There was at least 3-4 moderators this week arguing for their mistakes. You are not the only one who fought against the members. The irony is that every mod ended up giving in. :rolleyes:

I haven't fought against anyone. I simply explained my reasoning behind edited the posts. And "arguing" their mistakes is a bit harsh. Moderators are admitting they made mistakes or explained how they feel about a situation.

The feedback forum is all about seeing issues and changing them for a happier forum. Not a mod v member mentality or a way for mods to make excuses.
18-04-2008, 10:53 PM
Callum.

Mike, I don't think you would last as a mod though. These guys give up their time for the forum and make decisions of their own back, if they're wrong, well it's just a mistake. Yes this rule needs reviewing, but I think everyone has put their point across.

Quote:

Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:

There was at least 3-4 moderators this week arguing for their mistakes. You are not the only one who fought against the members. The irony is that every mod ended up giving in. :rolleyes:

Why are you doing this? Only 3 mods have posted and kept posting through new replies and have all semi admitted that the rule does need reviewing and there is a grey area about what to do in the case of the posts we are all discussing.
18-04-2008, 11:00 PM
The Professor

Quote:

Originally Posted by mynameisCALLUM

Mike, I don't think you would last as a mod though. These guys give up their time for the forum and make decisions of their own back, if they're wrong, well it's just a mistake. Yes this rule needs reviewing, but I think everyone has put their point across.

Why are you doing this? Only 3 mods have posted and kept posting through new replies and have all semi admitted that the rule does need reviewing and there is a grey area about what to do in the case of the posts we are all discussing.

I love this guy ^ Have some rep :)

What do you want me to do mike, carry on repeating myself all night? That sort of attitude is exactly why there's such a divide between staff/moderators and members. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO WORK AGAINST YOU. We don't enjoy looking for fights, I sure as hell don't enjoy typing those massive long essays that I'll bet very few people read. We post in this thread to explain some points which need to be cleared up, defend ourselves against attacks (or admit the mistakes) and try to discuss the issue with members so we can reach some sort of consensus as to where the problem is and how best to solve it. We are not trying to win any wars against you, and we are not "giving in" simply because we've said our pieces and can't say a whole lot more.

We're trying to work with you to keep the forum fun to use. The sooner you drill that into your cranium the sooner we can start to put some of the issues right.
18-04-2008, 11:05 PM
Callum.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Professor-Alex

I love this guy ^ Have some rep :)

What do you want me to do mike, carry on repeating myself all night? That sort of attitude is exactly why there's such a divide between staff/moderators and members. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO WORK AGAINST YOU. We don't enjoy looking for fights, I sure as hell don't enjoy typing those massive long essays that I'll bet very few people read. We post in this thread to explain some points which need to be cleared up, defend ourselves against attacks (or admit the mistakes) and try to discuss the issue with members so we can reach some sort of consensus as to where the problem is and how best to solve it. We are not trying to win any wars against you, and we are not "giving in" simply because we've said our pieces and can't say a whole lot more.

We're trying to work with you to keep the forum fun to use. The sooner you drill that into your cranium the sooner we can start to put some of the issues right.

Thanks :)

And yeah, the not working against members is yet to be realised with many people. Have some rep back on Callum. (more to offer) for all your points in this thread, aswell as some other people :).
18-04-2008, 11:10 PM
Thetan

You know, I don't exactly try to sound rude, it just comes when I am frustrated about something. I try my best to sound polite.

Not that I am a rude person, just happens for me.
18-04-2008, 11:13 PM
Tristan

Quote:

Originally Posted by :....:mike:....:

There was at least 3-4 moderators this week arguing for their mistakes. You are not the only one who fought against the members. The irony is that every mod ended up giving in. :rolleyes:

I'd say "heated debate"!
19-04-2008, 12:31 AM
Catzsy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Professor-Alex

I love this guy ^ Have some rep :)

What do you want me to do mike, carry on repeating myself all night? That sort of attitude is exactly why there's such a divide between staff/moderators and members. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO WORK AGAINST YOU. We don't enjoy looking for fights, I sure as hell don't enjoy typing those massive long essays that I'll bet very few people read. We post in this thread to explain some points which need to be cleared up, defend ourselves against attacks (or admit the mistakes) and try to discuss the issue with members so we can reach some sort of consensus as to where the problem is and how best to solve it. We are not trying to win any wars against you, and we are not "giving in" simply because we've said our pieces and can't say a whole lot more.

We're trying to work with you to keep the forum fun to use. The sooner you drill that into your cranium the sooner we can start to put some of the issues right.

Being defensive is counter productive in my opinion and I personally see no point. For me the best way is just to state the facts. It is either against the rules or allowed by the rules and where there is doubt get it clarified. The problem starts when personal comments are made which have nothing to do with the subject in hand and people are criticised instead of the particular action that was taken. As the GM said it is a service so we provide a service to the members. Being confrontational can work both ways.
Its is a community not a confrontunity. ( Oh that is very cheesey but it late:p) Goodnight :D
19-04-2008, 11:25 AM
shizzle

True i seen loads abusing their powers.
19-04-2008, 11:32 AM
Callum.

Quote:

Originally Posted by superMIKE

True i seen loads abusing their powers.

It's not really abusing their powers, it's doing what they think is right as the rule that was posted 2006 was a long time ago and alot of moderators were not here in 2006. At the end of the day, they're doing their job to their ability, if they don't know the rule (which many members aswell don't) then it should be reminded.
19-04-2008, 11:33 AM
Hayd93

All i can say on this topic also is infractions.I don't enjoy giving out then,Members may think i do but i really do not.It causes divides between staff and members i think.Also when i hand a infraction out it actually causes more work for me as i have to type out all the details etc.Also people saying about me in spam forum etc editing all i can say is i try my best,Alot of people in there have jokes and sometimes is very hard for me to decide if it is a joke or a real insult.
19-04-2008, 11:35 AM
shizzle

Quote:

Originally Posted by mynameisCALLUM

It's not really abusing their powers, it's doing what they think is right as the rule that was posted 2006 was a long time ago and alot of moderators were not here in 2006. At the end of the day, they're doing their job to their ability, if they don't know the rule (which many members aswell don't) then it should be reminded.

It abusing them.
19-04-2008, 11:36 AM
Callum.

Quote:

Originally Posted by superMIKE

It abusing them.

Editing someones post with a edit is not abusing, abusing is giving out infractions with the intention of getting the user banned etc. Have you read the thread?
19-04-2008, 11:54 AM
Mr.Sam

Do not make off topic posts - Off topic and random posts are not allowed. Your post must be related to a post made earlier in the thread or about the thread itself.

[below is basically saying don't post meaning less - which is the same as the two rules below.]
It's always nice to have a high post count, it may seem as though people will respect you more with a higher number beside your name, but it doesn't really mean anything on these forums. We respect each of you whether you have 1 post or 1000.

We don't want replies like "i dono" or "why" or "yeah". We have set the forum so that any message must contain at least 9 characters, do not try to get around this by adding meaningless characters.

It is not allowed to post any messages that others consider to be meaningless or pointless or not relevant to the discussion

-------------------------

all the rules above are pretty much saying the same things, if they were merged and edited it would be much more clear.

the rules should be merged changed to something like:

Do not make off topic posts - Off topic and random posts are not allowed. Your post must be related to a post made earlier in the thread or about the thread itself, posts that are there for the sake of post count and/or the moderator believes are meaningless to the thread are not allowed.
19-04-2008, 11:55 AM
Elkaa

I've looked into this and sorted it.
19-04-2008, 12:04 PM
GommeInc

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elkaa

I've looked into this and sorted it.

... How? You can't control moderators? Or can you? Hmmm... Better not of touched the off-topic rule or death will follow.
19-04-2008, 12:08 PM
---MAD---

Quote:

Originally Posted by GommeInc

... How? You can't control moderators? Or can you? Hmmm... Better not of touched the off-topic rule or death will follow.

What do you mean by "death will follow" :S?
19-04-2008, 12:09 PM
GommeInc

Quote:

Originally Posted by ---MAD---

What do you mean by "death will follow" :S?

You'll get bombarded by threads saying restore the rule which would be annoying :P Plus people would get incredibly annoyed, because that rule makes the forum appropriate for the age group it's targeted at.
19-04-2008, 12:15 PM
Callum.

What has happened? Is the rule sierk posted still in place?
19-04-2008, 12:18 PM
Tristan

Quote:

Originally Posted by mynameisCALLUM

What has happened? Is the rule sierk posted still in place?

Of course.
It's just that some of the new moderators may have slightly misunderstood or did not remember the announcement. :)
19-04-2008, 12:20 PM
Callum.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enrique

Of course.
It's just that some of the new moderators may have slightly misunderstood or did not remember the announcement. :)

Yeah that's what I've been saying most in this thread. Some were not even around at that time.
19-04-2008, 12:21 PM
GommeInc

What rule/announcement? People have mentioned it and PM'd me about it, yet I see nought!
19-04-2008, 12:23 PM
Tristan

http://www.habboxforum.com/showthrea...ighlight=topic

This is the rule that I was talking about from the start and what I've been following, just didn't think to find it. :P

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