Henry

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Originally Posted by Wolves,

This forum is full of two faced people contradictory opinions, no point in arguing Jack.

And Ardemax, is that all you can say? ACTUALLY? you're wrong just face it.

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No he's not wrong, none of that stuff is beside the point. It's happened, get over it and stop using it as a chance to vent your racist anger towards the french.

Nothing will happen, it won't be replayed, France are through, Ireland are out. Yes it's harsh the way it happened, nobody wants to see that but theres nothing else anyone can do.

How is it racist when being French isn't a race? honestly.

He should miss 3 games

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Originally Posted by Gibs960

He should miss 3 games

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No, he cheated like all players do from time to time, FIFA should be punished for supplying **** refs and linesman and should allow a replay. It's their fault.

Oh, look, even Henry has said a replay would be fair.

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Originally Posted by Geraint

Oh, look, even Henry has said a replay would be fair.

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He only said that after FIFA ruled it out. He was scared that if he said it before, FIFA would consider it.

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Originally Posted by AlexOC

He only said that after FIFA ruled it out. He was scared that if he said it before, FIFA would consider it.

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FIFA would NEVER consider it.

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Originally Posted by thyflux

FIFA would NEVER consider it.

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If Henry said to do.
Then Henry told France to replay.
Ireland accepted the replay.

FIFA would of been under great pressure to allow it, it was easier for him to let everything go on then when it was out of question agree there should of been a replay.

Let's replay every other game that has a slight bit of cheating then. Oh, every game will be replayed.

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Originally Posted by Geraint

Let's replay every other game that has a slight bit of cheating then. Oh, every game will be replayed.

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It wasn't a slight bit of cheating, it was a player pulling the ball from going out of play and setting up a winning goal that knocked a team out of the greatest footballing competition in the world.

Henry onply said that because he knows that they wont replay it. Imagine if they did, all managers would want replays.

Lol@ roy keane what a **** ouse ****. Wish viera got hold of hiim. **** manager 2.

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Originally Posted by Geraint

Oh, look, even Henry has said a replay would be fair.

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On the other hand, Roy Keane even said there shouldn't be a replay. If you hear what he said about the FAI it makes sense lol.

Really cba talking about this anymore but I'll add a few points.

At the end of the day, he handballed it in order to allow his country to get into the world cup. It's against the rules yes. But, as much as I don't think it was a good thing to do and as much as I think it was wrong, the linesman, not the ref, is at fault. He was inline with it and how he missed it is beyond me. Also Keane was right, the defending was poor and it seems like as soon as the Irish players saw the arm they stopped, which they shouldn't have as like said above, play to the whistle.

The ref had a good game but the linesman should have spotted it so any fans that are upset should be upset with him. Also, it wouldn't have been replayed anyway.

As for video technology I don't think it should be implied.I think that the extra two refs would stop most of this and it also wouldn't take anything away from the game. If you had video technology then all decisions would be correct which to be honset, isn't what most fans should want as it would ruin the game I think. The two refs on either goal though would stop the game changing problems like dives and handballs in the area though which is what should be stopped but if VT is used for every little thing then it's stupid.

Hmmm, CHA!N I'm not sure on the video software stuff.

But I'm sure if it's applied correctly then surely we won't be having these threads? :P

Let's moan about Steven Ireland's offside goal and Bellamy's shove on Kuyt in the box today at Anfield instead.

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Originally Posted by Sergio

Let's moan about Steven Ireland's offside goal and Bellamy's shove on Kuyt in the box today at Anfield instead.

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Can't remember the shove but the goal wasn't offside I don't think. It was even. Look at the ball, it was even with Ireland.

this is really irritating me. listening to 606 green and everyone are acting like he killed someone.

i don't think it was deliberate. At full speed it just looks like a reaction...

'Ban him'

oh for heavens sake, if it wasn't for the fact that gallas headed it in you wouldn't be asking for the same thing.

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Originally Posted by alexxxxx

this is really irritating me. listening to 606 green and everyone are acting like he killed someone.

i don't think it was deliberate. At full speed it just looks like a reaction...

'Ban him'

oh for heavens sake, if it wasn't for the fact that gallas headed it in you wouldn't be asking for the same thing.

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well of course if a goal hadn't of come of it and ireland hadn't been unfairly knocked out there wouldn't be so much anger and debate.

thats obvious.

your point?

I am not surprised. The ref is one of the worst in the world. He is always giving the other team that don't have the colors green and white advantage. In Sweden he is always judging against my team!! :(

"save our lifes, save our childs, away with Hansson from the football field"

It sound much better in Swedish!

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Originally Posted by AlexOC

well of course if a goal hadn't of come of it and ireland hadn't been unfairly knocked out there wouldn't be so much anger and debate.

thats obvious.

your point?

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The point is that if someone handballs it in the box and a goal is scored in every circumstance, we should ban them? even on how accidental it could be? It sets a precedent. I personally don't think this was as deliberate as its made out to be, controlling a ball coming in at that speed when it bouces as well, especially when theres a player that crosses you, with your hand looks incredibly difficult.

Can I add that surely if a defender blocks a goal with his hand, should that mean there should be a ban for the player, or the game should be replayed? No it doesn't. If the ref sees it then it's a yellow/red card depending on the situation and a penalty and nothing further. If the ref saw this it would have been a yellow/red card and a free kick. But the ref didn't see it, just as some refs don't see defenders handballing it to stop a goal and in the later situation nothing happens after the game so nothing should happen in this case either.

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Originally Posted by CHA!NGANG

Can I add that surely if a defender blocks a goal with his hand, should that mean there should be a ban for the player, or the game should be replayed? No it doesn't. If the ref sees it then it's a yellow/red card depending on the situation and a penalty and nothing further. If the ref saw this it would have been a yellow/red card and a free kick. But the ref didn't see it, just as some refs don't see defenders handballing it to stop a goal and in the later situation nothing happens after the game so nothing should happen in this case either.

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But, the defender would get a ban from FIFA, because the referee failed to punish a deliberate breaking of the rules. It would've been a red for the defender because 1. he deliberately hand-balled it and 2. denying a goalscoring opportunity. Whereas Henry just deliberately hand-balled it. Could've been left at a yellow depending on the ref. But that's not the point, the point is if the ref had seen it Henry would not have had the opportunity to cross it for Gallas.

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Originally Posted by Browney

But, the defender would get a ban from FIFA, because the referee failed to punish a deliberate breaking of the rules. It would've been a red for the defender because 1. he deliberately hand-balled it and 2. denying a goalscoring opportunity. Whereas Henry just deliberately hand-balled it. Could've been left at a yellow depending on the ref. But that's not the point, the point is if the ref had seen it Henry would not have had the opportunity to cross it for Gallas.

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that would never recieve a red card in a game. and if the ref saw it, he would have got penalised, probably not even a yellow and the goalscoring opportunity would never have existed.

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Originally Posted by alexxxxx

that would never recieve a red card in a game. and if the ref saw it, he would have got penalised, probably not even a yellow and the goalscoring opportunity would never have existed.

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Which is why I said could have been left at yellow? :S I said the defender could get a red, Henry wouldn't. And it doesnt matter because even if the ref had "umm-ahh"'d it over and then eventually gave a free kick Gallas wouldn't have scored. All I'm saying is Henry won't get a ban.

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Originally Posted by Browney

But, the defender would get a ban from FIFA, because the referee failed to punish a deliberate breaking of the rules. It would've been a red for the defender because 1. he deliberately hand-balled it and 2. denying a goalscoring opportunity. Whereas Henry just deliberately hand-balled it. Could've been left at a yellow depending on the ref. But that's not the point, the point is if the ref had seen it Henry would not have had the opportunity to cross it for Gallas.

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The defender wouldn't get a ban from FIFA. There have been lots of times where a defender has handballed it and the ref has missed it and nothing happens afterwards. And the defender probably wouldn't have got a red because I'm not saying, if the player was 1 on 1 and the defender literally stopped the goal with his hand, I'm saying if a defender handballed it in the penalty area (not to stop a goal) he would have got a yellow card by the ref if he saw it and if he didn't nothing would have happened afterwise. This is the same thing with Henry but on the offensive side. He handballed it but he didn't score, he set up a goal which could have been stopped anyway if the defending was better. If the ref had seen it then it probably would have been a yellow and a free kick. If he scored with his hand and the ref saw it then it might have been worse but he didn't.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is when a defender handballs it in his own area to stop a pass then it's a penalty and a yellow card for the player if the ref sees it. If the ref doesn't see it then nothing really happens afterwards.

Yet when Henry handballs it in the other area to try and pass it to a player (which is the opposite side of the above), people want him banned and the game replayed. If the ref saw it, it would have been a yellow card and a free kick just like the situation above, so according to that then if the ref didn't see it then nothing should be done afterwards as nothing would have been done if it was the defending side.

That probably doesn't make sense but yeah.

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Originally Posted by CHA!NGANG

The defender wouldn't get a ban from FIFA. There have been lots of times where a defender has handballed it and the ref has missed it and nothing happens afterwards. And the defender probably wouldn't have got a red because I'm not saying, if the player was 1 on 1 and the defender literally stopped the goal with his hand, I'm saying if a defender handballed it in the penalty area (not to stop a goal) he would have got a yellow card by the ref if he saw it and if he didn't nothing would have happened afterwise. This is the same thing with Henry but on the offensive side. He handballed it but he didn't score, he set up a goal which could have been stopped anyway if the defending was better. If the ref had seen it then it probably would have been a yellow and a free kick. If he scored with his hand and the ref saw it then it might have been worse but he didn't.

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is when a defender handballs it in his own area to stop a pass then it's a penalty and a yellow card for the player if the ref sees it. If the ref doesn't see it then nothing really happens afterwards.

Yet when Henry handballs it in the other area to try and pass it to a player (which is the opposite side of the above), people want him banned and the game replayed. If the ref saw it, it would have been a yellow card and a free kick just like the situation above, so according to that then if the ref didn't see it then nothing should be done afterwards as nothing would have been done if it was the defending side.

That probably doesn't make sense but yeah.

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So we're both arguing for the same side? We both don't think Henry should have been banned?

funny chant yesterday

after one of their players was tackled, he got up, realised the linesman had flagged then proceeded to walk 10 yards and fall down as if he'd been shot by a sniper in stands and started to roll over numerous times. up went the chant "thierry henry (cheat), thierry henry (cheat), thierry henry (cheat). i know he didn't handle it but was funny nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by Browney

So we're both arguing for the same side? We both don't think Henry should have been banned?

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lol, yeah :D