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Originally Posted by Oli

Well generally people get banned for good reason, if someone wants to use HxF after being banned they simply create a new account, I can't see it being any different if they were unbanned, if they wanted to post here they'd make a new account.

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I understand what you are saying but using your old account is totally different to a new one.

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Originally Posted by Saurav

I understand what you are saying but using your old account is totally different to a new one.

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So what does that mean for all the majority of the members that have never been banned and and have kept an account for years when they see others just getting their accounts back after perm bans? Preferential treatment for those who have been?. The rules are there for a reason and Habbox doesn't just ban members and any old ones that were banned by a previous member of management with no reason given have been looked at already. You have to go some on here to get a perm ban under the pm/warning/infraction system. If a person can't hack being permed banned then they shouldn't break the rules. Most proper E-rebels know it goes with the territory and accept it as such.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

So what does that mean for all the majority of the members that have never been banned and and have kept an account for years when they see others just getting their accounts back after perm bans? Preferential treatment for those who have been?. The rules are there for a reason and Habbox doesn't just ban members and any old ones that were banned by a previous member of management with no reason given have been looked at already. You have to go some on here to get a perm ban under the pm/warning/infraction system. If a person can't hack being permed banned then they shouldn't break the rules. Most proper E-rebels know it goes with the territory and accept it as such.

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I merely suggested it to increase forum activity.

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Originally Posted by Saurav

I merely suggested it to increase forum activity.

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How is unbanning a few permed accounts going to increase activity?

I agree with Richie (wow, did I just say that? :P). It doesn't always have to be change, change, change. Improve what you've got before you change things.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

How is unbanning a few permed accounts going to increase activity?

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I already explained it in my first post.

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Originally Posted by Saurav

I already explained it in my first post.

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These people who have been permed and have since moved on from Habbox will not suddenly flock back because they've been unbanned. Moreover most of them deserved to be perm banned anyways.

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Originally Posted by Saurav

I already explained it in my first post.

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There are so few Saurav - I really cannot see it making a difference except that the person concerned gets their account back and as most of the members who are already here on different accounts. People who have been on here and not banned should be recognised more if anything. The Anniversary VIP is okay for 5 years but maybe they should have something more if their account has never been banned at certain times e.g. 1. 2. 3 4, years. The only other accounts that are perm banned are spam bots, hackers, keyloggers etc who would not be welcome anyway.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

There are so few Saurav - I really cannot see it making a difference except that the person concerned gets their account back and as most of the members who are already here on different accounts. People who have been on here and not banned should be recognised more if anything. The Anniversary VIP is okay for 5 years but maybe they should have something more is there account has never been banned at certain times e.g. 1. 2. 3 4, years.

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Watch this space!

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

There are so few Saurav - I really cannot see it making a difference except that the person concerned gets their account back and as most of the members who are already here on different accounts. People who have been on here and not banned should be recognised more if anything. The Anniversary VIP is okay for 5 years but maybe they should have something more if their account has never been banned at certain times e.g. 1. 2. 3 4, years.

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A slightly increased activity is better than nothing.

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Originally Posted by Saurav

A slightly increased activity is better than nothing.

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previously banned trolls wont exactly be welcomed back with open arms :P

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Originally Posted by Saurav

A slightly increased activity is better than nothing.

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Well yes but surely they can be dealt with on their individual merits by members coming back on other acccounts and proving beyond any doubt that they should be given a second chance and get their old account back. A mass unban would not be fair as I said to those who do abide by the rules. Just my opinion though.

scrap that pointless posting rule and only count it as things like "dsjfldjsfodsjflsdfjsdlfjlsd;frlkds;f,sdlfmds"

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"please add more content to your post" for posts like "lmaooooooo or lol"
i dont post in most threads because chances are it might be off topic

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Originally Posted by sex

scrap that pointless posting rule and only count it as things like "dsjfldjsfodsjflsdfjsdlfjlsd;frlkds;f,sdlfmds"

and add something like

"please add more content to your post" for posts like "lmaooooooo or lol"
i dont post in most threads because chances are it might be off topic

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I do have to agree with you here and it is something that management know I disagree on. Pointless is random - nothing else in my book such a ROFLKOPTER or VCHDSS. The old rule made a lot more sense in my opinion. A thread was allowed to go slightly off-topic but if it really started veering off in another direction with nothing to do with the thread then a mod would post to say 'please keep on-topic.' These posts are not pointless as they mean something and are usually related to the topic in some way. I would say this is a big factor putting members off posting.

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Originally Posted by sex

scrap that pointless posting rule and only count it as things like "dsjfldjsfodsjflsdfjsdlfjlsd;frlkds;f,sdlfmds"

and add something like

"please add more content to your post" for posts like "lmaooooooo or lol"
i dont post in most threads because chances are it might be off topic

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this

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

I do have to agree with you here and it is something that management know I disagree on. Pointless is random - nothing else in my book such a ROFLKOPTER or VCHDSS. The old rule made a lot more sense in my opinion. A thread was allowed to go slightly off-topic but if it really started veering off in another direction with nothing to do with the thread then a mod would post to say 'please keep on-topic.' These posts are not pointless as they mean something and are usually related to the topic in some way. I would say this is a big factor putting members off posting.

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and this +rep


edit: gotta spread rosie

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

previously banned trolls wont exactly be welcomed back with open arms :P

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not everyone was banned for being a troll

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Originally Posted by sex

scrap that pointless posting rule and only count it as things like "dsjfldjsfodsjflsdfjsdlfjlsd;frlkds;f,sdlfmds"

and add something like

"please add more content to your post" for posts like "lmaooooooo or lol"
i dont post in most threads because chances are it might be off topic

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I don't get how the content of your post compared to the topic, is down to chance. Surely you know what you are typing and can see whether it has any relevance or not?

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Originally Posted by Oli

Watch this space!

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This is what annoys me. You guys always say "WATCH DIS SPACE" and then 5 months on nothing happens.


hey hye guess what forum.. watch this space! THERE WILL BE ANOTHER POST SOON! (its not a dig at you oli, just general management ;))

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

Your accusation is pretty lame, considering I too have been, especially 2006 onward, always active on the forum, and have worked under each GM and AGM (the smart, and not so smart) since. The incentives to join and attract users when I was apparently incognito for the past six years have been more than lame. Paying $300 for a flash-based chat which a grand total of three people actually used was a horribly unattractive decision. To increase members and forum popularity Garion and Oliver, in conjunction with the events department, should be doing exactly what they've been doing for months. Getting the Habbox name out there on the client, and then keeping new forum users here with the well-kept atmosphere and forum events (like the election) is going to play a key role in drawing in all sorts of new American and Australian users proceeding the merge. If anyone is slacking, in my opinion, it's whoever's responsible (if anyone) for forum coding. There are a lot of useful forum plugins, such as live posts, tapatalk plugin, BBCode in usertitles and interactive javascript content which would enhance the forum, and improve on it significantly. Just the push required to get embedded youtube (which intertwined to the long wait for the vbulletin upgrade, and the skins not being done prior to) was what I'd regard as a hint of laziness which should have happened. Other than something like that I'm not even sure there's much constructive to Habbox's popularity decisions to be made through this thread. Especially since general management (of which two of them have previously managed the forum) are flexible and have a vast experience of knowing what works and what doesn't, and that Oliver has already stated, in what's a satisfactory lengthy post, targets outlining his commitment and plans to increase forum activity.

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As long as their are more events that international people can participate in, and it isn't JUST oriented around the UK. If we want to go international, we shouldn't just have the election crap when the UK are having an election, do it for the other countries too... Also, with competitions like the election new members stand next to no chance with winning. The older members will all bunch together and form a "super group" which most of the older folks will vote for, which leaves the newbies losing, thus them potentially leaving... Maybe if you set it so you have to have half the team as new members and half as old ones it'll incorporate everyone together?


Sorry, i used the election as an example, its just the most recent event.

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Originally Posted by m^

This is what annoys me. You guys always say "WATCH DIS SPACE" and then 5 months on nothing happens.


hey hye guess what forum.. watch this space! THERE WILL BE ANOTHER POST SOON! (its not a dig at you oli, just general management ;))



As long as their are more events that international people can participate in, and it isn't JUST oriented around the UK. If we want to go international, we shouldn't just have the election crap when the UK are having an election, do it for the other countries too... Also, with competitions like the election new members stand next to no chance with winning. The older members will all bunch together and form a "super group" which most of the older folks will vote for, which leaves the newbies losing, thus them potentially leaving... Maybe if you set it so you have to have half the team as new members and half as old ones it'll incorporate everyone together?


Sorry, i used the election as an example, its just the most recent event.

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I wasn't overly enthusiastic about the election because I'm from Canada--I obviously don't care about British politics :p However I thought the HxF election was pretty cool, it was around the same time as the UK election yeah, but I don't think they were debating Europe related issues!

Luring in without intimidating new young users has been something that's been discussed for awhile, I'm not sure there's a quick remedy for it.

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Originally Posted by m^

This is what annoys me. You guys always say "WATCH DIS SPACE" and then 5 months on nothing happens.


hey hye guess what forum.. watch this space! THERE WILL BE ANOTHER POST SOON! (its not a dig at you oli, just general management ;))



As long as their are more events that international people can participate in, and it isn't JUST oriented around the UK. If we want to go international, we shouldn't just have the election crap when the UK are having an election, do it for the other countries too... Also, with competitions like the election new members stand next to no chance with winning. The older members will all bunch together and form a "super group" which most of the older folks will vote for, which leaves the newbies losing, thus them potentially leaving... Maybe if you set it so you have to have half the team as new members and half as old ones it'll incorporate everyone together?


Sorry, i used the election as an example, its just the most recent event.

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I understand how annoying that can be. Although the thing Oli is talking about is* currently being developed, sadly it doesn't take a couple of days to get it all correct and perfect!

* = I think he is talking about this, if not then oops.

Awesomeeeeeeee maffew. Anyway, what m^ or whatever said is a good point. You seem to be banking on a lot of people signing up on the merge which is very likely seeing as this is still the biggest UK forum, if not the most active. For this to happen and for them to stay you need to entice them with US/CA/AU/SG events, even if it's just forum competitions asking questions about their country. What is the biggest region in Canada? What is the currency in Australia? - examples. That way, British people can google and the international users will feel like something is being done for them. Just an idea.

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Originally Posted by doherty

Awesomeeeeeeee maffew. Anyway, what m^ or whatever said is a good point. You seem to be banking on a lot of people signing up on the merge which is very likely seeing as this is still the biggest UK forum, if not the most active. For this to happen and for them to stay you need to entice them with US/CA/AU/SG events, even if it's just forum competitions asking questions about their country. What is the biggest region in Canada? What is the currency in Australia? - examples. That way, British people can google and the international users will feel like something is being done for them. Just an idea.

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Call me blinger ;)

I think the best comp I've Entered so far was the one about the capitals of each country! Amazin' comp tbh

I also agree whole heartedly with Graham and Rosie I think it was with the off-topic posting rule.

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Originally Posted by m^

This is what annoys me. You guys always say "WATCH DIS SPACE" and then 5 months on nothing happens.


hey hye guess what forum.. watch this space! THERE WILL BE ANOTHER POST SOON! (its not a dig at you oli, just general management ;))

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There are many things that are being worked on and I am sorry if in the past you have experienced that these changes don't come about. I can assure you though if we mention something is being implemented regarding something it will happen :).

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Originally Posted by m^

As long as their are more events that international people can participate in, and it isn't JUST oriented around the UK. If we want to go international, we shouldn't just have the election crap when the UK are having an election, do it for the other countries too... Also, with competitions like the election new members stand next to no chance with winning. The older members will all bunch together and form a "super group" which most of the older folks will vote for, which leaves the newbies losing, thus them potentially leaving... Maybe if you set it so you have to have half the team as new members and half as old ones it'll incorporate everyone together?

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I quite agree we need to try and incorporate new members and it's an issue that's been mentioned before. It's quite difficult to make older members include new members though. There are so many older members that are stuck in their way, as it were.

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Originally Posted by doherty

Awesomeeeeeeee maffew. Anyway, what m^ or whatever said is a good point. You seem to be banking on a lot of people signing up on the merge which is very likely seeing as this is still the biggest UK forum, if not the most active. For this to happen and for them to stay you need to entice them with US/CA/AU/SG events, even if it's just forum competitions asking questions about their country. What is the biggest region in Canada? What is the currency in Australia? - examples. That way, British people can google and the international users will feel like something is being done for them. Just an idea.

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We will definitely make a considerable effort, come the merge, to ensure that users from international communities are catered for as well :). I came up with an idea that we create public joinable usergroups (like the IT Crowd and Pixel Artists Group) that is relevant to each Hotel / International community. Then you get a little userbar with a country flag on it or something. I know one argument against this would be that it encourages factions but I think it's a nice little thing to do so people can show their heritage. What do you guys think?

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Originally Posted by doherty

I also agree whole heartedly with Graham and Rosie I think it was with the off-topic posting rule.

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I will have Oli look into this.

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Originally Posted by m^

Call me blinger ;)

I think the best comp I've Entered so far was the one about the capitals of each country! Amazin' comp tbh

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You raised interesting points in your feedback survey about this, we'll definitely be making a note of it!

Pointless Posting Ruleee.

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A6. Do not post pointlessly ~ A pointless post has no relevance to the topic, any previous post that is relevant, is meaningless (ghnrgher etc) or does little to contribute to the discussion. A pointless thread either has no meaning, is something posted that is not true (e.g. false story in news and rumours) or a thread that doesn't prompt a discussion. Replying to a pointless post will also be considered pointlessly posting.

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Which bits don't you like and I'll look into ensuring it's lightened up on.

It must be noted though that a while back when we became quite strict on this, there was a lot of spam being scattered around the forums but perhaps it is time for more lenience here.

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Originally Posted by Oli

Pointless Posting Ruleee.



Which bits don't you like and I'll look into ensuring it's lightened up on.

It must be noted though that a while back when we became quite strict on this, there was a lot of spam being scattered around the forums but perhaps it is time for more lenience here.

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Replying to a pointless post will also be considered pointlessly posting.

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If someone doesnt know a post is pointless (as a mod hasnt edited it yet), its unfair to warn the person who replied to it too.

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Originally Posted by Oli

Pointless Posting Ruleee.



Which bits don't you like and I'll look into ensuring it's lightened up on.

It must be noted though that a while back when we became quite strict on this, there was a lot of spam being scattered around the forums but perhaps it is time for more lenience here.

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"little to contribute to the discussion" i think you should be able to reply to a post in there even if it's not about the original topic. thread: fave colour
person1: red
person2: thats the colour of my car!

or whatever, nothing about their fave colour and contributes little (nothing) to the discussion

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Originally Posted by Saurav

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If someone doesnt know a post is pointless (as a mod hasnt edited it yet), its unfair to warn the person who replied to it too.

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Originally Posted by doherty

"little to contribute to the discussion" i think you should be able to reply to a post in there even if it's not about the original topic. thread: fave colour
person1: red
person2: thats the colour of my car!

or whatever, nothing about their fave colour and contributes little (nothing) to the discussion

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I agree with both points made here :)

fabby dabby doo! will those be in sunday changes then? (if they still happen)

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Originally Posted by doherty

fabby dabby doo! will those be in sunday changes then? (if they still happen)

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Yep, if not this week definitely next week :)

fantastic, look forward to 'em.

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Originally Posted by Oli

Yep, if not this week definitely next week :)

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This sunday please so me and Alex can take full credit kk. hahaha.

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Originally Posted by Oli

Pointless Posting Ruleee.



Which bits don't you like and I'll look into ensuring it's lightened up on.

It must be noted though that a while back when we became quite strict on this, there was a lot of spam being scattered around the forums but perhaps it is time for more lenience here.

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Pointless posting and off-topic should be separated as they used to be because many members are upset that their comments are not pointlesss. The rule does not follow any dictionary definiton - it just makes the statement that anything that does not contribute positively to the post is 'pointless' when it is more likely to be off-topic.

Original rule

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A6. Do not post pointlessly ~ A pointless post has no relevance to the topic, any previous post that is relevant, is meaningless (ghnrgher etc) or does little to contribute to the discussion. A pointless thread either has no meaning, is something posted that is not true (e.g. false story in news and rumours) or a thread that doesn't prompt a discussion. Replying to a pointless post will also be considered pointlessly posting.

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So this is a suggestion for alteration:

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A6
. Do not post off-topic ~ An off-topic post has no relevance to the topic, any previous post that is relevant, or does little to positively contribute to the discussion.
. Do not spam/make pointless posts. It is not allowed to post random, meaningless, posts or threads on the forum. Examples of this are (ROFLCOPTER!!!!!!); (BYRDSB +HKK; ) (I am a plane)

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or something along those lines. It can still be one rule but I believe it would be clearer to the members what they can and can't do.

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Originally Posted by Oli

Pointless Posting Ruleee.



Which bits don't you like and I'll look into ensuring it's lightened up on.

It must be noted though that a while back when we became quite strict on this, there was a lot of spam being scattered around the forums but perhaps it is time for more lenience here.

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Originally Posted by doherty

"little to contribute to the discussion" i think you should be able to reply to a post in there even if it's not about the original topic. thread: fave colour
person1: red
person2: thats the colour of my car!

or whatever, nothing about their fave colour and contributes little (nothing) to the discussion

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yeah what jake said really.... pointless is "dfksfjdkslfjdlksf" not having a convo

I think we really need to be careful about how we reform the rule. A lot of members have mentioned that they use HxF because our threads provide substance and isn't that spammy. If we don't do it properly we could totally destroy this reputation that I think is a good one to have.

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Originally Posted by Garion

I think we really need to be careful about how we reform the rule. A lot of members have mentioned that they use HxF because our threads provide substance and isn't that spammy. If we don't do it properly we could totally destroy this reputation that I think is a good one to have.

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I agree, my plans are mainly to follow Rosie's lines in separating pointless posting and off topic :)

Remember though a forum is a place to discuss things and all discussions lead to other discussions. It's how discussion works!

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Originally Posted by doherty

Remember though a forum is a place to discuss things and all discussions lead to other discussions. It's how discussion works!

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Yeah each discussion needs to have substance.

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Originally Posted by Oli

Yeah each discussion needs to have substance.

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which reduces discussion because no everyones gunna post if you have to have substance......
it doesnt even seem like you're changing anything other than the name to me lol :S