Guardian System

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Originally Posted by LucasAge

That's not what I meant. I meant legally speaking, sorry.

In regards to your point though, I do not believe it would have costed them more. Moderators constantly get paid. There would also be expenses for training in all areas they need to know, and in order to train someone these days and get them up to scratch, the costs involved are the equivalent to one employee's annual salary. The way Silver Hobbas were being interviewed and trained were by Super Hobbas, that were also volunteers. So it would have effectively costed them less money in that regard.

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Super Hobbas were paid employees.

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Originally Posted by atpeak

Super Hobbas were paid employees.

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So thats Mizki correct?

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Originally Posted by GoldenMerc

So thats Mizki correct?

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What do you mean?

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Originally Posted by atpeak

What do you mean?

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Mizki was a super hobba wasn't she.

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Originally Posted by GoldenMerc

Mizki was a super hobba wasn't she.

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I'm not too sure was she paid?

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Super Hobbas had to train new hobbas and even moderators. Moderators had to report to the Head Hobba.

I'd just like to point out that many people say Habbo eXperts had no power to help Habbos, whereas Hobbas did and Guardians will do.

The Habbo eXpert program was meant for introducing new Habbos to the game, and not for moderation, so the eXperts didn't need powers (and really override was only needed in a very few number of cases...)

Personally, I feel people look back on the program in a negative light because eXperts didn't do much - well, unless you joined Habbo when the program was running, then they wouldn't have done much for you at all.
Frankly, most people that even remember the eXpert program wouldn't have been the target audience for eXperts, we were there for the new players :)

Hopefully the Guardian program is a success, Habbo need a program like this, I just hope it goes to plan...

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Originally Posted by Kardan

I'd just like to point out that many people say Habbo eXperts had no power to help Habbos, whereas Hobbas did and Guardians will do.

The Habbo eXpert program was meant for introducing new Habbos to the game, and not for moderation, so the eXperts didn't need powers (and really override was only needed in a very few number of cases...)

Personally, I feel people look back on the program in a negative light because eXperts didn't do much - well, unless you joined Habbo when the program was running, then they wouldn't have done much for you at all.
Frankly, most people that even remember the eXpert program wouldn't have been the target audience for eXperts, we were there for the new players :)

Hopefully the Guardian program is a success, Habbo need a program like this, I just hope it goes to plan...

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I so agree, being an ex myself I see a different view to those who think very negative over us.

However; this new tour system seems to be working ok, so I have high hopes for this new user based moderation system.

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Originally Posted by atpeak

Super Hobbas were paid employees.

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Nope, volunteers. The majority of new Hobba in-game training was actually conducted by a small team of people in groups/classes (usually muggings here, heeey :)), each Hobba was paired with a Super Hobba for futher help but those Super Hobbas were no different to Super Hobbas who didn't take part in training and neither were paid employees.

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Originally Posted by atpeak

Super Hobbas were paid employees.

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Originally Posted by Bob1

Nope, volunteers. The majority of new Hobba in-game training was actually conducted by a small team of people in groups/classes (usually muggings here, heeey :)), each Hobba was paired with a Super Hobba for futher help but those Super Hobbas were no different to Super Hobbas who didn't take part in training and neither were paid employees.

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I heard that some were paid and some wearnt paid. Hence the reason some became proper moderators. Cos I've heard that they only kept the paid ones.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

I'd just like to point out that many people say Habbo eXperts had no power to help Habbos, whereas Hobbas did and Guardians will do.

The Habbo eXpert program was meant for introducing new Habbos to the game, and not for moderation, so the eXperts didn't need powers (and really override was only needed in a very few number of cases...)

Personally, I feel people look back on the program in a negative light because eXperts didn't do much - well, unless you joined Habbo when the program was running, then they wouldn't have done much for you at all.
Frankly, most people that even remember the eXpert program wouldn't have been the target audience for eXperts, we were there for the new players :)

Hopefully the Guardian program is a success, Habbo need a program like this, I just hope it goes to plan...

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Um no. People's memories of the X programme (judging from posts on here at least) are rather more positive than they were when it ended. I think people have forgotten just how bad Xs were, and if this guardian thing is anything like Xs then it won't last long.

Most of the 'work' Xs did was in the welcome lounge. That room was always full of people - most of whom weren't newbies. We could all see what happened and what did not happen there, so to assert that only the target audience knows what Xs did is quite wrong. I don't think it is for you or any other ex-expert to comment on the success or failure of the programme, that's for everyone else to decide.

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As for paid hobbas..... that's news to me. The hobbas who became mods were obviously paid for their role as moderators but that is a separate issue.

Here is the proof Head Hobbas were paid

http://web.archive.org/web/200412110...tymanager.html

I've been hearing that Guardian Powers won't be coming for awhile and instead they will just be able to review other helpers/guardians instead, to help determine if they're a good helper/guardian.

Gah, hate how you can't edit your post after x amount of time...

Looks like the Help Tool will be getting a redesign once this system is in-place.

http://i.imgur.com/65kGv.png

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Originally Posted by atpeak

Here is the proof Head Hobbas were paid

http://web.archive.org/web/200412110...tymanager.html

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Head Hobbas were Staff members not hobbas. They were the predecessor to the "Community Manager" role if I am correct, so no they were not paid. Becs was the first Head hobba in the UK, followed by Glitterkat if i am correct..

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Originally Posted by Shorty

Gah, hate how you can't edit your post after x amount of time...

Looks like the Help Tool will be getting a redesign once this system is in-place.

http://i.imgur.com/65kGv.png

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Urgh i hate that look, I find it very ugly and to big. :/

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Originally Posted by Shorty

Gah, hate how you can't edit your post after x amount of time...

Looks like the Help Tool will be getting a redesign once this system is in-place.

http://i.imgur.com/65kGv.png

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Looks much clearer, decent work staff chaps!
Seems as though guardian's role will mainly be directed towards preventing bullying and/or random trolling. Think that was to be expected.

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Originally Posted by Sarah

Head Hobbas were Staff members not hobbas. They were the predecessor to the "Community Manager" role if I am correct, so no they were not paid. Becs was the first Head hobba in the UK, followed by Glitterkat if i am correct..

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Read your post. It doesn't even make sense. Head Hobbas were office staff yes. They were paid, yes. Becs was head hobba yes, there were loads more head hobbas.

Don't forget Becs started off as a Hobba and got promoted

http://i.imgur.com/QnX2g.png

Bully Report Tool.. so far.

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Originally Posted by Shorty

http://i.imgur.com/QnX2g.png

Bully Report Tool.. so far.

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Where are you getting these images from?

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Originally Posted by Shorty

Gah, hate how you can't edit your post after x amount of time...

Looks like the Help Tool will be getting a redesign once this system is in-place.

http://i.imgur.com/65kGv.png

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Originally Posted by Shorty

http://i.imgur.com/QnX2g.png

Bully Report Tool.. so far.

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Originally Posted by atpeak

Where are you getting these images from?

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Print Screen, Ctrl + V into Paint, Save, Upload.

Just for some of you that keep getting the Hobba positions wrong: There's different types of Hobb's guys. Hobbas are never paid, unless the Staff position as Head Hobba (which is the same as Community Manager nowadays).

Newbie Hobba - New Hobba, receives training, less powers and has a silver badge
Golden Hobba - Regular Hobba
Super Hobba - Hobba with more powers and trains new Hobbas
Head Hobba - Head Hobba / Community Manager that manages the whole Hobba Program and Moderators in one Hotel (UK: Becs, GlitterKat, etc - Jet in .NL)

More info: http://www.habborator.org/facts/ -> click Organisation
Includes everything Sulake ever did :)

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Originally Posted by Shorty

http://i.imgur.com/QnX2g.png

Bully Report Tool.. so far.

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Looks like the how to report a habbo nowadays.

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Originally Posted by atpeak

Where are you getting these images from?

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Yes answer this please, how do you see those things normal Habbos can't see? And not this plz: If you dont wanna tell, then dont but don't give us this :P

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Print Screen, Ctrl + V into Paint, Save, Upload.

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Originally Posted by Shorty

Print Screen, Ctrl + V into Paint, Save, Upload.

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this made me laugh in real xDD, yes guys, this is how he gets his odd images xox ;)

He isn't going to tell you guys, hes part of okuku or what ever its called i guess he has his ways :P
Looks promising tho

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Originally Posted by GoldenMerc

He isn't going to tell you guys, hes part of okuku or what ever its called i guess he has his ways :P
Looks promising tho

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okuku? lool

My bad Otaku Studios, don't think i can say anymore.

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Originally Posted by GoldenMerc

My bad Otaku Studios, don't think i can say anymore.

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O lol thought so ty

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Originally Posted by Jarkie

I heard that some were paid and some wearnt paid. Hence the reason some became proper moderators. Cos I've heard that they only kept the paid ones.

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Originally Posted by atpeak

Here is the proof Head Hobbas were paid
http://web.archive.org/web/200412110...tymanager.html

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Originally Posted by atpeak

Read your post. It doesn't even make sense. Head Hobbas were office staff yes. They were paid, yes. Becs was head hobba yes, there were loads more head hobbas.

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@Sarah and @Laurensh1 are correct. The term "Head Hobba" was a phrase coined in-game by players, the position was always officially known as Community Manager, Becs started as a Hobba (an unpaid volunteer role) and applied to become a moderator (a paid position, from home, this is not a natural next-step or "promotion" it is separate entirely and you had to apply, anyone could apply not just Hobbas), she then applied to become Community Manager (a paid position, usually based in office but Becs being based in the US continued to work from home). I hope that clears some confusion up, I'd like to think I know a thing or two about the inside workings ;)

Back to topic - new screenshots confirm my worries from previous posts, don't give this system very long without some changes to the application/vetting process we're assuming will happen. I don't understand why Habbo would choose not to have stricter criteria in place for these volunteers after the pressures/issues Facebook have faced

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Originally Posted by Bob1

@Sarah and @Laurensh1 are correct. The term "Head Hobba" was a phrase coined in-game by players, the position was always officially known as Community Manager, Becs started as a Hobba (an unpaid volunteer role) and applied to become a moderator (a paid position, from home, this is not a natural next-step or "promotion" it is separate entirely and you had to apply, anyone could apply not just Hobbas), she then applied to become Community Manager (a paid position, usually based in office but Becs being based in the US continued to work from home). I hope that clears some confusion up, I'd like to think I know a thing or two about the inside workings ;)

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Yeah Becs used to work from home because of where she lived (wasn't she the only one who was allowed to do that??). But the term "Head Hobba" was actually an official position named by Sulake. It says it on the recruitment page lol. They wouldn't put a player coined term on their formal recruitment page, thats just unprofessional.

Like you said Hobbas were not the only people who could apply, so if a newbie wanted to apply he'd being applying for "Head Hobba" position as it was officially known (again, on the recruitment page).

If the Hobba program still existed, it would still be known as Head Hobba slash / slash community manager.

Head Hobba was a head hobba, and the players called her head hobba because she was one infact. :S

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Originally Posted by atpeak

Yeah Becs used to work from home because of where she lived (wasn't she the only one who was allowed to do that??). But the term "Head Hobba" was actually an official position named by Sulake. It says it on the recruitment page lol. They wouldn't put a player coined term on their formal recruitment page, thats just unprofessional.

Head Hobba was a head hobba, and the players called her head hobba because she was one infact. :S

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Head Hobba was always a Community Manager, they did not just "manage" the volunteer programme, they are one and the same position whatever they may have called it on the recruitment pages in the very early days. Yes she was a "Head Hobba" in the fact that she recruited and managed them, but she was the Community Manager. Becs was actually not the only staff member to work remotely.

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Originally Posted by Bob1

Head Hobba was always a Community Manager, they did not just "manage" the volunteer programme, they are one and the same position whatever they may have called it on the recruitment pages in the very early days. Yes she was a "Head Hobba" in the fact that she recruited and managed them, but she was the Community Manager. Becs was actually not the only staff member to work remotely.

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But on the formal website it stated Head Hobba. Thats what it was officially known as by Sulake. That's my argument. I'm not sure if Becs was actually a head hobba I think thats a misunderstanding of facts, I knew she was higher.. if you read the recruitment page it says all head hobbas (international too) must report to Becs. Community manager doesn't deal with international issues.

http://s7.postimage.org/buhuy754r/HEADHOBBA.png
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You're perfectly entitled to believe what you want, was just trying to help you correctly identify the former Hobba system structure (re: who was paid, who was not). I'm sure if you were to ask one of them what they put on their CV it would be the title Community Manager, as that's what they were known as to us within Sulake. http://www.habbosphere.com/history/3-habbo-staff this article correctly identifies the original, typical base structure for staffing.
Whether or not the term "Head Hobba" was an official term or not does not change the facts around Hobbas as paid staff which I think is the point you're trying to make? Or not?

edit: sweet jesus, the recruitment post even uses the title COMMUNITY MANAGER, Head Hobba is an informal reference to an in-game player coined term! With reference to this, I would know a lot about Sulake's inner workings, trust me.

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Originally Posted by Bob1

You're perfectly entitled to believe what you want, was just trying to help you correctly identify the former Hobba system structure (re: who was paid, who was not). I'm sure if you were to ask one of them what they put on their CV it would be the title Community Manager, as that's what they were known as to us within Sulake. http://www.habbosphere.com/history/3-habbo-staff this article correctly identifies the original, typical base structure for staffing.
Whether or not the term "Head Hobba" was an official term or not does not change the facts around Hobbas as paid staff which I think is the point you're trying to make? Or not?

edit: sweet jesus, the recruitment post even uses the title COMMUNITY MANAGER, Head Hobba is an informal reference to an in-game player coined term! With reference to this, I would know a lot about Sulake's inner workings, trust me.

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Mate this is simple English. If it was a player coined, informal wording, then it would be, if I may say so,

Community Manager/Head Hobba

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Head Hobba/Community Manager

In simple English this identifies that Head Hobba has more importance.

and to make it worse it says Head Hobba aka Community manager. Not the other way round. Judging from Sulake HQ's wording, which one is more official and important in their eyes?

Wow. lol.

Edited by Chris (Forum Moderator): Please do not make pointless posts!

Lol, why does it even matter about Hobba's any more.. they're gone.

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Originally Posted by atpeak

Mate this is simple English. If it was a player coined, informal wording, then it would be, if I may say so,

Community Manager/Head Hobba

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Head Hobba/Community Manager

In simple English this identifies that Head Hobba has more importance.

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I no longer understand what point it is you are trying to make, the original point was to do with Hobbas/payment in reflection to the new Guardian system and that has safely been put to bed as a misunderstanding, what purpose does this clarification now serve?

Here are the facts -
As an ASSISTANT COMMUNITY MANAGER for Sulake in the Canadian hotel for over a year I can tell you I was never ever referred to as an ASSISTANT HEAD HOBBA. Neither in any of the training material or policy documentation I, yes me personally, wrote or edited during my time in other positions training many MODs, Hobbas and Office Staff in in-game moderation tools did I ever use the term "Head Hobba" as an official title to refer to someone, only as an informal reference.

I was only trying to correct an observation you made when commenting on an old system I knew a lot about - Super Hobbas were never paid, Head Hobbas were not Hobbas, they were Community Managers. This is where your misunderstanding with regards to pay arised. If that hasn't been helpful I'll apologise and go about my day.

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Originally Posted by Bob1

I no longer understand what point it is you are trying to make, the original point was to do with Hobbas/payment and that has safely been put to bed as a misunderstanding, what purpose does this clarification now serve?

Here are the facts -
As an ASSISTANT COMMUNITY MANAGER for Sulake in the Canadian hotel for over a year I can tell you I was never ever referred to as an ASSISTANT HEAD HOBBA. Neither in any of the training material or policy documentation I, yes me personally, wrote or edited during my time in other positions training many MODs, Hobbas and Office Staff in in-game moderation tools did I ever use the term "Head Hobba" as an official title to refer to someone, only as an informal reference.

I was only trying to correct you - Super Hobbas were never paid, Head Hobbas were not Hobbas, they were Community Managers. This is where your misunderstanding with regards to pay arised.

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Oh. Sulake was lying then when they put Head Hobba on the recruitment page. Thats what you're saying lol :P

What you don't understand is that was the official position name. What A, B and C called it is informal.

Do you get what I am trying to say? You may never have called yourself Head Hobba, but the fact is thats what your employer called you and your contract must have too.

You got it the wrong way round bud :)

I'm going to leave you to this, I really don't see what purpose this serves. It's there in black and white. I think I know what I was employed as, what I was interviewed for, what I was referred to by my peers and what I now put on my CV as the position I actually held.

So anyway, that Guardian system is looking interesting..

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Originally Posted by Bob1

I'm going to leave you to this, I really don't see what purpose this serves. It's there in black and white. I think I know what I was employed as, what I was interviewed for, what I was referred to by my peers and what I now put on my CV as the position I actually held.

So anyway, that Guardian system is looking interesting..

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Cool. Just one more thing, for reference, what you are called by your peers is not official. :P

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Originally Posted by Bob1

So anyway, that Guardian system is looking interesting..

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Looking through the code in the client, and at all the images (not just the ones Shorty thinks are interesting!) i'm a bit confused as to how this is actually going to work.

At first I though the 'Guardian' role would give select Habbos the powers to kick, mute and room ban users in a fashion similar to that of Hobbas. In the sense that they would respond to a call, and chose an appropriate action based on the situation. After that, I thought the action that you had performed was going to be forwarded to other Guardians for review; to help ensure you was not abusing your position. At least, this is the idea I got from some of Sulakes developers.

After looking at the code and images though, it looks like to me as though an action is based on how 'bad' the bully is being ('Ok', 'Bad' or 'Very Bad'). The decision to how the bully is being seems to be collected from an average of several different Guardian votes, I then assume the server will take an automatic action based on that vote result.