Guides/Answers

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Originally Posted by Kardan

A widget would be the best method, but I can't see why that can't be used along with a content page, as I said before, what happens when we get 4, 5, 6 active guides on? Will they all fit?

And the problem with stickying is, you get 3 guides, and there's no more news on the frontpage.

And if it were visible under news, that would be the same as being visible under a new 'Answers' page, so they're the same in that respect :)

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i think due to it being small reports unlike the others you probably would fit about 4/5 onto homepage.

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@e5; if anything it is something that needs to be dealt with asap though really cause of it being a niche that other fansites will probably try to fill if we don't first lmao

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

I noticed @Inkwell; mention how long she'd spent in news so I thought I'd come by again.

I've been in Content for 15 months, News for about 24 months if you add them together and I can honestly say I don't care if it goes in news or content, it's something that could be a step in the right direction for Habbox whichever department it goes in - I know it doesn't matter how long anyone has been here, but I've been writing for both sides of the Habbox Content Departments for some time and yes there's a change, but with the experience that is already in News they could easily condense the report and so could Content.

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:) I'm not bothered who gets it, I'm bothered about where it will go, so it can get the most exposure, and I'm bothered by people saying that the content department shouldn't have it :P They'd do just as good if time isn't an issue (and as people pointed out, it shouldn't be as most of the content team is in news?)

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Originally Posted by Kardan

A widget would be the best method, but I can't see why that can't be used along with a content page, as I said before, what happens when we get 4, 5, 6 active guides on? Will they all fit?

And the problem with stickying is, you get 3 guides, and there's no more news on the frontpage.

And if it were visible under news, that would be the same as being visible under a new 'Answers' page, so they're the same in that respect :)

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I agree with the last sentence, thus no department has the upper hand :P and I do see the problem with the stickying, hopefully somewhere in the near but distant future there's an easier way to display more than 3 articles on the homepage.

Well on a widget, when somebody clicked the link for "Guide X" I would rather have it pop up the answers in a small box than an entirely new page, although I don't know what V6 widget boxes are capable of doing.
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Im actually more coming onto the idea (or did I already say this idk) that you could create a sub-division thus allowing both content and news to participate in it. I don't think I'm allowed to say what this was, but a year or so ago, all news, GFX and I think content staff were invited to take part in a project - they all shared the same subforum, saw the same info and had the same perms in there. The project never got completed (I'm not sure why, maybe lack of interest from staff) but the system worked fine. People still held their original content/gfx/news roles but could work together on something.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

Wow, does the events manager not have anything to do with the big events? That's a surprise to me I must say...

And I agree with your last point, they both begin with In as well, very confusing :(

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Yes they still very much do, but the work behind the scenes is more done by the AGM Community, it all depends what event it is though really. HxSS would be done by the AGM with delegation, but smaller ones can be done by just the department managers themselves as long as they get the ok from the GM team.

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Originally Posted by Inkwell

i think due to it being small reports unlike the others you probably would fit about 4/5 onto homepage.

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@e5; if anything it is something that needs to be dealt with asap though really cause of it being a niche that other fansites will probably try to fill if we don't first lmao

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So you're saying, with that image I posted, the latest guides released (or whatever I called that green widget), would have about 4/5 times more text in it? Essentially saying 5 new guides have been released, small descrip of each, and a link for each?

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Originally Posted by Inkwell

i think due to it being small reports unlike the others you probably would fit about 4/5 onto homepage.

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@e5; if anything it is something that needs to be dealt with asap though really cause of it being a niche that other fansites will probably try to fill if we don't first lmao

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I don't think more than 3 will fit, what you can do perhaps is have a link to the rest of the guides/answers too on each one so they're not really lost.

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

Yes they still very much do, but the work behind the scenes is more done by the AGM Community, it all depends what event it is though really. HxSS would be done by the AGM with delegation, but smaller ones can be done by just the department managers themselves as long as they get the ok from the GM team.

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Ahh okay, my bad then :) Can't say I've never known what happens behind the scenes for the big events :P What does the event manager actually do then, other than supervising staff?

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Originally Posted by Kardan

So you're saying, with that image I posted, the latest guides released (or whatever I called that green widget), would have about 4/5 times more text in it? Essentially saying 5 new guides have been released, small descrip of each, and a link for each?

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I don't think he means that, I believe he means how the news reports are on Habbox at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

I don't think more than 3 will fit, what you can do perhaps is have a link to the rest of the guides/answers too on each one so they're not really lost.

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I agree that not many will fit. But how will you link to the rest of the guides if they are all different news articles? Surely you'd have X links for the X articles?

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

I don't think he means that, I believe he means how the news reports are on Habbox at the moment.

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Ahh, I see. The news system on the front page is just 3 articles isn't it? Not based on length? If so, I guess you'll just change 3 up to 4/5?

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Originally Posted by Kardan

Ahh okay, my bad then :) Can't say I've never known what happens behind the scenes for the big events :P What does the event manager actually do then, other than supervising staff?

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Like I said they're usually always planning the next smaller event like Back 2 School was more event based the first year it was held, then it expanded. Likewise with Habbox24 as long as you have events for 24 hours you don't really need the GM team on your back all the time.

The Event Management will be supervising the staff, ensuring minimums are met, updating the calendar as soon as possible constantly throughout the day for changes. They also get new events sorted make sure staff have event rooms ready things like that and I believe they're one of the busiest departments on Habbox. I've never managed events here, but on other fansites I did woo @Mr-Trainor; and it takes lots of constant work.

Oh ok i've just tested it and only 3 will appear on the homepage even if they are small, don't know where I got that idea from, but on the actual page for it you will get more depending on size.

the linking would probably work though yes

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Originally Posted by Kardan

I agree that not many will fit. But how will you link to the rest of the guides if they are all different news articles? Surely you'd have X links for the X articles?

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Ahh, I see. The news system on the front page is just 3 articles isn't it? Not based on length? If so, I guess you'll just change 3 up to 4/5?

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Not based on length at all.

What we have at news is that you can choose which news you want to see. We currently have:

Widgets for news and real life news.

Also if you go on the site, go on the news tab you can click either 'All News,' 'Habbo,' 'Real Life,' 'Interviews,' 'Room Reviews' and 'Articles,' so it'd be on there too I believe if it was to be a part of the News department.

Whoever it was suggesting the forum idea isn't so bad, only thing is it'd be very similar to what gets posted in news & rumours already, but then again the same could be said if its posted on the site. As I said earlier I think a new section on the site with two different categories would work. One category for current badges, one for expired and they can be moved to expired category when the campaign is over.

All it'd take for the actual guide is something like below because that's all anyone will be interested in. Example for the latest badge

Habbo Environment Day Badge


Step 1: Go to this room

Step 2: Wear the Butterfly Effect

Step 3: Walk into the Wheat Patches

Step 4: Receive badge!

Include 2 images
http://habboxwiki.com/wiki/images/1/10/Butterfly.pnghttp://habboxwiki.com/wiki/images/e/ed/IT236.gif

and hey presto done

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Originally Posted by Intersocial

I agree with the last sentence, thus no department has the upper hand :P and I do see the problem with the stickying, hopefully somewhere in the near but distant future there's an easier way to display more than 3 articles on the homepage.

Well on a widget, when somebody clicked the link for "Guide X" I would rather have it pop up the answers in a small box than an entirely new page, although I don't know what V6 widget boxes are capable of doing.
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Im actually more coming onto the idea (or did I already say this idk) that you could create a sub-division thus allowing both content and news to participate in it. I don't think I'm allowed to say what this was, but a year or so ago, all news, GFX and I think content staff were invited to take part in a project - they all shared the same subforum, saw the same info and had the same perms in there. The project never got completed (I'm not sure why, maybe lack of interest from staff) but the system worked fine. People still held their original content/gfx/news roles but could work together on something.

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You might as well say it as I was like, what the hell are you on about, you mean the Habbox Magazine, which I believe would be possible to have a forum like that again, but I have too many staff forums as it is don't kill me with them :P.

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Originally Posted by pasta

Whoever it was suggesting the forum idea isn't so bad, only thing is it'd be very similar to what gets posted in news & rumours already, but then again the same could be said if its posted on the site. As I said earlier I think a new section on the site with two different categories would work. One category for current badges, one for expired and they can be moved to expired category when the campaign is over.

All it'd take for the actual guide is something like below because that's all anyone will be interested in. Example for the latest badge

Habbo Environment Day Badge


Step 1: Go to this room

Step 2: Wear the Butterfly Effect

Step 3: Walk into the Wheat Patches

Step 4: Receive badge!

Include 2 images
http://habboxwiki.com/wiki/images/1/10/Butterfly.pnghttp://habboxwiki.com/wiki/images/e/ed/IT236.gif

and hey presto done

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same can't REALLY be said for the site though. A lot of people use the news & rumours excuse from hxf but the thing is most of our readers don't actually use the forum and so aren't affected by it and again this would quite possibly be the case with a number of people who would be attracted by the new guides stuff.

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Originally Posted by Inkwell

i think due to it being small reports unlike the others you probably would fit about 4/5 onto homepage.

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@e5; if anything it is something that needs to be dealt with asap though really cause of it being a niche that other fansites will probably try to fill if we don't first lmao

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No, that's where things go wrong and look messy. Need to get some staff who regularly do the events, as everyone on here uses Habbo secrets at the moment!

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

You might as well say it as I was like, what the hell are you on about, you mean the Habbox Magazine, which I believe would be possible to have a forum like that again, but I have too many staff forums as it is don't kill me with them :P.

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yea I'm not completely sure how much more useful that would be then just a subsection in news in all honestly, which could just be done instead of that, especially cause it'll need to be done off news perms to post it probably anyway.

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Originally Posted by pasta

Whoever it was suggesting the forum idea isn't so bad, only thing is it'd be very similar to what gets posted in news & rumours already, but then again the same could be said if its posted on the site. As I said earlier I think a new section on the site with two different categories would work. One category for current badges, one for expired and they can be moved to expired category when the campaign is over.

All it'd take for the actual guide is something like below because that's all anyone will be interested in. Example for the latest badge

Habbo Environment Day Badge


Step 1: Go to this room

Step 2: Wear the Butterfly Effect

Step 3: Walk into the Wheat Patches

Step 4: Receive badge!

Include 2 images
http://habboxwiki.com/wiki/images/1/10/Butterfly.pnghttp://habboxwiki.com/wiki/images/e/ed/IT236.gif

and hey presto done

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You might just need a:

Wear the butterfly effect (you can buy this from the catalogue for 30 Duckets).

Although that's still concise.

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

Not based on length at all.

What we have at news is that you can choose which news you want to see. We currently have:

Widgets for news and real life news.

Also if you go on the site, go on the news tab you can click either 'All News,' 'Habbo,' 'Real Life,' 'Interviews,' 'Room Reviews' and 'Articles,' so it'd be on there too I believe if it was to be a part of the News department.

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Ahh, ok :) The only think I dislike about that system, is that you will have to scroll through the whole page to find the one you want. There won't be something like:

Click here for the Environment Day Badge (Released 6th June)
Click here for the Habbo X Badge

etc.

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Originally Posted by e5

No, that's where things go wrong and look messy. Need to get some staff who regularly do the events, as everyone on here uses Habbo secrets at the moment!

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habbo secrets has now shut tho which is why we need to try and take the niche as quick as possible :(

And I'm not a fan of putting it on the forum, all content should go on Habbox.com

Really, you could put everything on Habbox on the forum, and just get rid of the main site if you wanted too.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

Ahh, ok :) The only think I dislike about that system, is that you will have to scroll through the whole page to find the one you want. There won't be something like:

Click here for the Environment Day Badge (Released 6th June)
Click here for the Habbo X Badge

etc.

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Well we could do it so that the link from the navigation bar would direct to a static page which has a link off to the various different articles that are current and then just a link to the category view to show any from the past incase people are interested.

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Originally Posted by pasta

Well we could do it so that the link from the navigation bar would direct to a static page which has a link off to the various different articles that are current and then just a link to the category view to show any from the past incase people are interested.

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That's what I wanted in the first place, rather than having a list of links in the widget which would just look messy :)

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Originally Posted by e5

No, that's where things go wrong and look messy. Need to get some staff who regularly do the events, as everyone on here uses Habbo secrets at the moment!

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I never used HabboSecrets, but I know what you mean :P.

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

You might as well say it as I was like, what the hell are you on about, you mean the Habbox Magazine, which I believe would be possible to have a forum like that again, but I have too many staff forums as it is don't kill me with them :P.

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Yeah I did mean the magazine.

Maybe it's time to quit some roles ;) only kidding, I'm sure most staff members won't be in that many depts. though and handle another staff forum :P

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Originally Posted by Kardan

Ahh, ok :) The only think I dislike about that system, is that you will have to scroll through the whole page to find the one you want. There won't be something like:

Click here for the Environment Day Badge (Released 6th June)
Click here for the Habbo X Badge

etc.

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Ctrl + F ;).

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

Ctrl + F ;).

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What if somebody doesn't know what the badge that they are looking for is called? :P

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Originally Posted by Intersocial

Yeah I did mean the magazine.

Maybe it's time to quit some roles ;) only kidding, I'm sure most staff members won't be in that many depts. though and handle another staff forum :P

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Pot. Kettle. You're in the same amount as me :(.

Mine are basically the merit, manager, requests, development, but I don't mind LMAO.

So what's happening with this?

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Originally Posted by Kardan

That's what I wanted in the first place, rather than having a list of links in the widget which would just look messy :)

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It seems to me like the best idea as what if there's 5 or 6 badges available at one time, yet only 3 can be viewed at a time. The widget could simply show the latest 2 or 3 badges with an image of the badge and some text to show the name and maybe available now or something, with a link below these then to take the user to a full list of available badges.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

What if somebody doesn't know what the badge that they are looking for is called? :P

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They can Ctrl + F the date it was done perhaps as it should pick it up :P.

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

Pot. Kettle. You're in the same amount as me :(.

Mine are basically the merit, manager, requests, development, but I don't mind LMAO.

So what's happening with this?

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I guess someone in upper management would have to decide whether to give it to news, or news+content. And I guess they need to know if a new widget can be made? And a new static page if that is deemed a good idea.

I have no idea what's actually happening with this atm but i do have an invisible category open that me and hayden were testing on earlier incase we do decide to do it like that until we get something better.

but yes what kardan said basically, will be discussing it later once we've collated more ideas

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

Pot. Kettle. You're in the same amount as me :(.

Mine are basically the merit, manager, requests, development, but I don't mind LMAO.

So what's happening with this?

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Damnit you noticed ;)

I'll ask Tom what his take on it is :P

Or heee could reply before me thats cool.

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Originally Posted by Samanfa

They can Ctrl + F the date it was done perhaps as it should pick it up :P.

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What if they don't know the date? :P What if they literally know that all these Habbos are walking around with some new blue badge :P

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Originally Posted by Kardan

Ahh okay, my bad then :) Can't say I've never known what happens behind the scenes for the big events :P What does the event manager actually do then, other than supervising staff?

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lol I think it's hard to appreciate just how much admin crap there is with every management role. All sorts of little jobs that need doing that people take for granted because they're done so efficiently by said managers behind the scenes.

I am a bit confused about your point of exposure though. With a widget, it wouldn't matter whether the department was news or content because the exposure is there. Content isn't usually posted front page as it's usually reserved for news so any front page coverage would automatically be a plus even if it was pushed down. Just to link above, content is one of those behind the scenes departments that rarely get any recognition (and taken for granted even though the site would be less 'full' without it) but I am not convinced that it would revitalise the department as pasta suggests it would. The hope that they would shift into other areas of content seems naive, at best.

Ultimately, however, I do not think it matters if the team is to be a subteam within a department as it is likely to have its own system of working that would invalidate any argument about writing styles, for example. A forum or a subforum in the Habbo section could provide a link between the Habbox site and the forum that has been lacking so I would support that move too.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

What if they don't know the date? :P What if they literally know that all these Habbos are walking around with some new blue badge :P

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I'm not sure, stop making me answer stuff I'm ill!

Maybe they can post on the forum asking about it, and someone can direct them to that guide ;)?

Yea the static page would make sence really instead of people having to search for stuff etc, cause i'm assuming in a lot of cases they won't know. They could probably search dates to get a rough idea where to look on the static page at least though as they will probably have a rough idea of when it was released

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O sorry if someone has already posted this but what about a thread on hxf somewhere that's locked but it auto edits the links to each new one into it saying what the badge is or whatever and the date too , (or we can edit it in instead ourselves as soon as we can get it) and then have a link on the main page that links to it as a page instead to link between all the articles for when they come off the pages

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Originally Posted by Inseriousity.

lol I think it's hard to appreciate just how much admin crap there is with every management role. All sorts of little jobs that need doing that people take for granted because they're done so efficiently by said managers behind the scenes.

I am a bit confused about your point of exposure though. With a widget, it wouldn't matter whether the department was news or content because the exposure is there. Content isn't usually posted front page as it's usually reserved for news so any front page coverage would automatically be a plus even if it was pushed down. Just to link above, content is one of those behind the scenes departments that rarely get any recognition (and taken for granted even though the site would be less 'full' without it) but I am not convinced that it would revitalise the department as pasta suggests it would. The hope that they would shift into other areas of content seems naive, at best.

Ultimately, however, I do not think it matters if the team is to be a subteam within a department as it is likely to have its own system of working that would invalidate any argument about writing styles, for example. A forum or a subforum in the Habbo section could provide a link between the Habbox site and the forum that has been lacking so I would support that move too.

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Ultimately if news or content had it, I'd still want it as a widget and a page (whether that's a news sub-category with links, or a new link on the top of the nav).

I'm not bothered if news gets it, or if content gets it, or if news+content gets it in the end, I'm just bothered that people are saying it's not content :P

I'm sure they're not saying it's not content in the broad sense of the term (both departments used to have agm (content), for example), just fighting their corner as to why it would suit better for the news department and not the content department. Yes, a widget and a link on the navigator would be the essential exposure needed. To hide it away in a subcategory would be to consign it to dust before it'd even started imo.

News does not equate to guides, it should be the Content Department's job. News means current affairs, come on. It needs serious work and if you think guides should be news, I think you should open a dictionary.

News needs way more things to work on than this. I am fully against the news department doing this because it simply makes no sense.