Get rid of post your... junk threads

Worth noting that people aren't abusing Post your Setup/Desktop/Car etc. by posting many similar things a day.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

Worth noting that people aren't abusing Post your Setup/Desktop/Car etc. by posting many similar things a day.

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They're generally "non-discussive" and are just print-screens. Discussion rarely if ever happens. Setup requires more effort but very little discussion happens and the car topic is the same, except people tend to give a name of a car then leave. Plus you could argue many standard threads are not really discussions - many members just post their view and never return. One of the main culprits is arguing in this thread ^

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

They're generally "non-discussive" and are just print-screens. Discussion rarely if ever happens. Setup requires more effort but very little discussion happens and the car topic is the same, except people tend to give a name of a car then leave. Plus you could argue many standard threads are not really discussions - many members just post their view and never return. One of the main culprits is arguing in this thread ^

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I would say that the Desktop thread has the same amount of discussion in the Music thread, that very rarely you'll get two people actually having a conversation.

The Car and Setup thread seem to be fine though.

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Originally Posted by Kardan

I would say that the Desktop thread has the same amount of discussion in the Music thread, that very rarely you'll get two people actually having a conversation.

The Car and Setup thread seem to be fine though.

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Yet they're not actively promoting discussion. You can't pick and choose which threads are appropriate... Forcing members to actively discuss is impossible, and doesn't actually happen. Members just post their view on a topic and then leave, often never returning or even speaking to other members. I can name one member who doesn't actively discuss and he's using this thread :rolleyes: Going through his forum posts, he makes a post and then leaves - he doesn't actively discuss anything. To discuss is to talk about (something) with a person or people.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

So you can enforce the rules can you? Last I checked it was only moderators or to be general - the forum department. It is blatantly obvious, seeing as I can't, you can't and ordinary members can't.

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No but that has nothing to do with the claim that mod discretion is all-encompassing :S having the ability to enforce rules is not the same as having the ability to change or re-interpret them

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Most not by you it seems, so I am meant to read your mind now?

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No you're supposed to read the thread. You accuse me of changing my mind (which I haven't) and then flip-flop between whether you're responding to the thread in general or only me - but then consistency clearly isn't your strong suit as you seem to see everything as malleable, even fact.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

You're yet to argue why post count in these threads is harmful. I posted evidence it is not and refuted such claims. 10 posts on average in the last few days is hardly damaging to the moral integrity of the forum :rolleyes:

Again, you're assuming these are harmful and are yet to state why. There's no point moving threads that are harmless - it's been establish they do not break the rules and do not produce large post counts. If members who have only been here for a year had about 5,000 posts from these then maybe, but given current member trends many barely last 2 years.

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Why are any rule-breaking posts/threads "harmful"? No-one dies when you double post and the world doesn't end if you avoid the filter but these things are still dealt with as they're in the rules.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

So people don't watch TV? Post what you last watched seems to be a pretty obvious area of interest, seeing as television programmes and films are somewhat of a hobby for some.

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Avoiding the point as ever I see. They are non-discussive threads, this should not need repeating this often.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

As I said ages ago, it isn't the threads that are the problem but the members - maybe moderator could tweak the threads to ask why as well as what? Some members in those threads already state why they're watching it or add a qualifier such as "Game of Thrones - it's amazing". Perhaps promote these sorts of posts rather than immediately eradicate them?

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I'm not suggesting eradication, I don't know why you're still after all these posts making things up.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

It is when moving them to another forum, which has been suggested. If people have an interest in music, they go to the music forum. Post what you are listening to #2 is about music, therefore its appropriate forum is the Music forum. As that's not being abused and moderators have discovered as such, they're not doing any damage. Again, you're refusing to state why these threads should be moved when no harm is being done.

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*+*BeCauSe THeY BReaK THe RuLeS*+* the same rules which see genuine threads put into Spam and people cautioned for replying to the thread title. Either something needs to be done about the threads or something needs to be done about the rules - I'd prefer the former but whatever works.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Where was this? What are you listening to? #2 had 9 posts on Saturday and 8 on Sunday. Or are you going to argue it didn't? EDIT: Actually, Saturday was 5 and Sunday was 9. Point still remains, hardly abused.

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Because you picked and chose what you wanted from it rather than looking at the big picture... now where did I see someone attempting to discredit people who do that? Hmmm

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Yet they're not actively promoting discussion. You can't pick and choose which threads are appropriate... Forcing members to actively discuss is impossible, and doesn't actually happen. Members just post their view on a topic and then leave, often never returning or even speaking to other members. I can name one member who doesn't actively discuss and he's using this thread :rolleyes: Going through his forum posts, he makes a post and then leaves - he doesn't actively discuss anything. To discuss is to talk about (something) with a person or people.

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Then moderators need to start taking action based on these forum rules:

Do not posts threads which only allow for short, one or two word answers and do not promote active discussion

You may not make posts that contain plain images only. Images that includes text are allowed so long as they are relevant to the threads discussion. This rule does not apply to the forum games or spam forums.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

No but that has nothing to do with the claim that mod discretion is all-encompassing :S having the ability to enforce rules is not the same as having the ability to change or re-interpret them

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Yes it is, as they're the only ones to enforce rules. Plus it's current interpretation is fine, seeing as not all posts are going to be strictly there to discuss even elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

No you're supposed to read the thread. You accuse me of changing my mind (which I haven't) and then flip-flop between whether you're responding to the thread in general or only me - but then consistency clearly isn't your strong suit as you seem to see everything as malleable, even fact.

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Ha, coming from you again? Remind me what you said in the rape thread? ;) You even said in this thread it's not about post count when other members have said it is - so you can shush right there. You apparently have this idea that your view is the view of others when so far it's only you who can't read the rules...

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Why are any rule-breaking posts/threads "harmful"? No-one dies when you double post and the world doesn't end if you avoid the filter but these things are still dealt with as they're in the rules.

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This isn't breaking the rules... We've concluded it hasn't. Although you've changed your argument to now suggest they need re-interpreting, which is a new one. So you've contradicted yourself again. They're breaking the rules and they need re-interpreting... Very consistent argument you don't have there.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Avoiding the point as ever I see. They are non-discussive threads, this should not need repeating this often.

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Yet moderators have discretion, which shouldn't be repeated. Furthermore, they are not doing any damage. I'm yet to see this influx of Habbox Gods.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

I'm not suggesting eradication, I don't know why you're still after all these posts making things up.

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You're yet to argue why they need to be removed, closed or altered when they're not breaking the rules.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

*+*BeCauSe THeY BReaK THe RuLeS*+* the same rules which see genuine threads put into Spam and people cautioned for replying to the thread title. Either something needs to be done about the threads or something needs to be done about the rules - I'd prefer the former but whatever works.

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They're on-topic in the forums they're in, therefore they do not break the rules. Post what you're watching or last watched (whatever) is about television and film? Where does it go? TV and Film. You must have had a hard time playing with the children's sorter toy, trying to ram stars into circles if you can't even place the right threads in the correct forums.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Because you picked and chose what you wanted from it rather than looking at the big picture... now where did I see someone attempting to discredit people who do that? Hmmm

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If you can't be bothered to post I assume you're making it up. Karter said that averages are useless which I agreed, hence why you use recent data and guess what! Less than 10 posts a day in some of these threads? Oh the horror, look at the abuse these threads are causing!

Seriously, you're arguing over nothing...

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Originally Posted by Kardan

Then moderators need to start taking action based on these forum rules:

Do not posts threads which only allow for short, one or two word answers and do not promote active discussion

You may not make posts that contain plain images only. Images that includes text are allowed so long as they are relevant to the threads discussion. This rule does not apply to the forum games or spam forums.

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So you want to punish members? According to FlyingJesus no one is suggesting this. It's this sort of idea which would see this forum lose even more members. They're just posts on an internet forum, there are bigger problems in the world. They don't need to take action on common forum activity.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

So you want to punish members? According to FlyingJesus no one is suggesting this. It's this sort of idea which would see this forum lose even more members. They're just posts on an internet forum, there are bigger problems in the world. They don't need to take action on common forum activity.

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If the moderators don't want to actually use the rules, then the rules need to be rewritten :P

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Originally Posted by Kardan

If the moderators don't want to actually use the rules, then the rules need to be rewritten :P

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Which is again something that apparently isn't a suggestion - just a reinterpretation. Your spokesperson isn't doing a very good job it seems.

There's no point re-writing a rule for a problem that doesn't exist. These threads are not as used as other threads on the forum. In fact, going by the number of posts they've generated and the total number of posts on the forum they produce such a minute figure. Should members who do not wish to discuss be punished? Ones that just make comments?

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Which is again something that apparently isn't a suggestion - just a reinterpretation. Your spokesperson isn't doing a very good job it seems.

There's no point re-writing a rule for a problem that doesn't exist. These threads are not as used as other threads on the forum. In fact, going by the number of posts they've generated and the total number of posts on the forum they produce such a minute figure. Should members who do not wish to discuss be punished? Ones that just make comments?

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And there's no point having a rule if it is never enforced.