EU Referendum Megathread (Brexit)

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Originally Posted by The Don

There's been a swing in the polls in the favour of remain. This is going to be so close, have booked Thursday evening off to stay up for the results.

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lol I booked friday off for the same reason. such a political nerd haha

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Originally Posted by Inseriousity.

lol I booked friday off for the same reason. such a political nerd haha

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Haha, I booked friday off too so that I could recover! Going to stock up on energy drinks and snacks to keep myself going

I've thus far done 1,250 households (2,500 leaflets) with friends for Vote Leave and Labour Leave and expect to more than double that this week. I've been literally praying at night for the first time in years over this and have felt sick to my stomach thinking about it. It's horrific but I am optimistic on some factors.

My strategy now if I were running Leave would be to bring out the immigration cannon, that this is the last chance to control the borders or else before we know it 80 million Turks will have the right to come to this country. Ignore Osborne: hammer the immigration message like it's never been hammered before.

With an expected status quo swingback this is all likely to come down to postal votes, demographic turnout and undecideds.

excited to vote for the very first time on thursday!

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I've thus far done 1,250 households (2,500 leaflets) with friends for Vote Leave and Labour Leave and expect to more than double that this week. I've been literally praying at night for the first time in years over this and have felt sick to my stomach thinking about it. It's horrific but I am optimistic on some factors.

My strategy now if I were running Leave would be to bring out the immigration cannon, that this is the last chance to control the borders or else before we know it 80 million Turks will have the right to come to this country. Ignore Osborne: hammer the immigration message like it's never been hammered before.

With an expected status quo swingback this is all likely to come down to postal votes, demographic turnout and undecideds.

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This isn't a referendum on voting to remain or leaving the European Union. It is a vote on whether we should keep our power in the European Union. How so? Well if we remain, we still have a vote and we can in some way shape the laws. If we leave, we will most likely join the free market, which means we will still have to allow freedom of movement (so those voting purely to stop immigration... well unlucky as that will never happen) and we will still have to adhere to many EU laws, but by leaving we will have zero say on how those laws are made etc. It is better to stay and have some power, instead of leaving, having the same conditions and having no say.

It's a no brainer.

And fgs, stop using Turkey. It will be decades before they join. Proves how Leave campaign are so desperate they are creating false fear.

PS:

http://i67.tinypic.com/907h9t.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMEB6sNb0yw

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Originally Posted by abc

This isn't a referendum on voting to remain or leaving the European Union. It is a vote on whether we should keep our power in the European Union. How so? Well if we remain, we still have a vote and we get in some way shape the laws. If we leave, we will most likely join the free market, which means we will still have to allow freedom of movement (so those voting purely to stop immigration... well unlucky as that will never happen) and we will still have to adhere to many EU laws, but by leaving we will have zero say on how those laws are made etc. It is better to stay and have some power, instead of leaving, having the same conditions and having no say.

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We don't have any say.

The EU has gone in the total opposite direction to what we have wanted for the past 41 years. The renegotiation Wilson secured was a total fraud as is the renegotiation Cameron secured. Both were told to drop dead because the EU is quite clear where it is going. It seems to only be British politicians who consistently deny where this thing is heading and you're colluding in it. Even if Remain prevail on Thursday, this isn't over.

The EU is already floating proposals for EU-wide taxes on petrol, electric and airfares. Yet your side keeps telling us no more powers will go to the EU.

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Originally Posted by abc

And fgs, stop using Turkey. It will be decades before they join. Proves how Leave campaign are so desperate they are creating false fear.

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A liar just like Cameron.

Only last year was he advocating Turkey joining the EU and only this year in the campaign is he now saying it won't join.

Well if that is true then....

a) Why won't he pledge to use his veto?
b) Diplomatic cables that were leaked last week proved he and the Remain camp as utter liars.

http://order-order.com/2016/06/12/re...ables-in-full/

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Originally Posted by Guido

These are the leaked diplomatic cables referenced by the Sunday Times which show British diplomats discussing plans to allow visa-free access to the UK for over a million Turks. The key sections are highlighted, for example this bombshell paragraph which argues Britain should “assess again the possibility of visa travel”.

http://i1.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-...size=540%2C142

Remember, Cameron publicly said “we won’t be offering visa-free access to Turks” and that Turkey is not an issue in the referendum…

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I'm sure @abc; will agree with me that the moment Brussels attempts to take more powers another referendum will have to be called.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMEB6sNb0yw

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This was 6 years ago lmao and he said it in Turkey.

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Originally Posted by abc

This was 6 years ago lmao and he said it in Turkey.

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And? He said it as do the leaked government cables from last week.

It also means our contributions will keep rising and "influence" is going to keep decreasing as Albania, Turkey and various others join.

How about another bombshell? Let's see who's telling the truth.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-migrants.html

http://infacts.org/wp-content/upload...er-Graphic.jpg

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Originally Posted by Daily Telegraph 2015

Turkish citizens will be allowed visa-free access to continental Europe as part of a deal which could see the country join the EU in exchange for helping with the migrant crisis.

EU leaders on Sunday signed a deal meaning that Ankara will take back deported migrants from European countries in exchange for visa restrictions to be lifted and talks on Turkey joining the EU to be accelerated. The agreement, which will be worth €3 billion (£2.1 billion) to Turkey, calls on Ankara to do more to stop refugees illegally travelling to across to Greece from its western border.

However, it means that Turkish people will be given the right to travel to EU countries in the Schengen zone – which Britain is not a part of – from next year. The EU also said that it will re-open talks on whether to allow Turkey, which has a population of more than 70 million, to join the EU.

Critics have warned that allowing Turkey to join the EU would result in large numbers of migrants attempting to travel to the UK.

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You haven't answered me either.

If more powers are transferred to the EU - which Remain claims won't happen - will you immediately accept another referendum on membership?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

And? He said it as do the leaked government cables from last week.

It also means our contributions will keep rising and "influence" is going to keep decreasing as Albania, Turkey and various others join.

How about another bombshell? Let's see who's telling the truth.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-migrants.html

http://infacts.org/wp-content/upload...er-Graphic.jpg

You haven't answered me either.

If more powers are transferred to the EU - which Remain claims won't happen - will you immediately accept another referendum on membership?

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And yet you fail to acknowledge that even if we leave, we will almost certainly join the EU Free Trade Zone and allow freedom of movement. So this Turkey argument is pointless as leaving will not solve it.

And yes, if conditions are broken then I think it is only right that the public are given another vote.

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Originally Posted by abc

And yet you fail to acknowledge that even if we leave, we will almost certainly join the EU Free Trade Zone and allow freedom of movement. So this Turkey argument is pointless as leaving will not solve it.

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Firstly it isn't called the EU Free Trade Zone.

There's four options on the table after we Leave, three of which do not include Freedom of Movement.

An FTA for example, which I favour, does not include open borders. Does America have open borders to trade with the EU? No, so why should we?

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Originally Posted by abc

And yes, if conditions are broken then I think it is only right that the public are given another vote.

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If your word is worth anything and Remain do win this Thursday, you'll be calling for another referendum by 2017.

I guarantee it because as has been discussed earlier, the treaties have not been amended to exclude ever closer union so the European Courts will continue with acquis and plans are already being put forward for a European army along with EU wide taxes and a banking union.

The only difference will be that the public will be hugely pissed off that you sold them an empty basket. You can kiss the post-Brexit EEA option goodbye then.