Does God Exist?

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Originally Posted by Jacktard

you know,

if a thread like this was created called
"does allah exist"
im pretty sure it would be closed.

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Why? This thread is referring to the christian God, the only reason the muslim thread might be closed if narrow minded idiots started being stupid. The fact that you think it would get closed proves that you aren't open to anything other then Christianity being discussed.

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Originally Posted by Jacktard

yeah but we refer to GOD as a christian symbol,
Other religions have names for their gods

Allah,
buddah and i cant remember the other ones. :/

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That's because god is a christian symbol. Other religions do have names for their gods because they AREN'T GOD. Allah isn't god with another name, nor is Buddha or Vishnu. THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS. God doesn't go around different religions shape shifting. The only reason we say "Allah is the muslim god" is because god is a symbol we can all identify with so it's a common comparison.

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Originally Posted by BlackSpoons

God is the same person as Allah ain't he lol?

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Erm NO. Muslims think everyone who isn't a muslim are doomed and they hate them, they have different levels of Hell for people in different religions. Christians will be burnt in a hot fire, none believers in a furnace and there are hotter fires for those groups of people they hate more intensely. Islam is a very hateful religion, the reason some of them bomb places is because they believe the qu'ran tells them to kill all non-believers.

christians believe god is all loving and all powerful, he loves everyone weather you give you life to god or not, he's transcendent and omnipotent and many more things they are very much different.

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Originally Posted by Luccy.

Erm NO. Muslims think everyone who isn't a muslim are doomed and they hate them, they have different levels of Hell for people in different religions. Christians will be burnt in a hot fire, none believers in a furnace and there are hotter fires for those groups of people they hate more intensely. Islam is a very hateful religion, the reason some of them bomb places is because they believe the qu'ran tells them to kill all non-believers.

christians believe god is all loving and all powerful, he loves everyone weather you give you life to god or not, he's transcendent and omnipotent and many more things they are very much different.

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Actually, that's a gross generalisation. Different branches of Islam have different ideologies of the after life and who will and will not be punished. Some are open to other religions, some don't think you have to believe in Allah to live a successful life - provided you follow the rules you'll have a fruitful present and after life, while others think burning and spearing are suitable forms of not believing in Allah :)

Arguably, the silent majority of muslims don't actually have an opinion, it is not for them to judge and they tend to think if you're doing good deeds and being a good human being, you're fine to live as you wish. You're thinking of the small minority of Muslim Extremists, who kill anything with a pulse and aren't Allah followers :)

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Originally Posted by Luccy.

Why? This thread is referring to the christian God, the only reason the muslim thread might be closed if narrow minded idiots started being stupid. The fact that you think it would get closed proves that you aren't open to anything other then Christianity being discussed.

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I disagree, It's referring to God. That includes all gods, Allah, Yahweh, Set and the rest of them.
Pretty much the entire debate has been over the general concept of God, rather than any specific instance o.o

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That's because god is a christian symbol. Other religions do have names for their gods because they AREN'T GOD. Allah isn't god with another name, nor is Buddha or Vishnu. THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS. God doesn't go around different religions shape shifting. The only reason we say "Allah is the muslim god" is because god is a symbol we can all identify with so it's a common comparison.

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No God means all gods, from Thor to Allah to Yahweh (this being the name of the Christian god, despite your claims he doesn't have one)

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Erm NO. Muslims think everyone who isn't a muslim are doomed and they hate them, they have different levels of Hell for people in different religions. Christians will be burnt in a hot fire, none believers in a furnace and there are hotter fires for those groups of people they hate more intensely. Islam is a very hateful religion, the reason some of them bomb places is because they believe the qu'ran tells them to kill all non-believers

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Weired, thats exactly what the Christian bible says will happen to people of any other religion too.. Not every Christian believes that, not every muslim believes that ether. All religious texts due to the huge number of contradictions are just down to interpretation.

Christains have bombed more people, murdered more people and done more harm than any other religion - Generally even against other christrom ains, the entire IRA thing was catholics v Protestants...

I would educate yourself a little more on the subject as right now this reads as being incredibly bigoted if not a little racist "/

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christians believe god is all loving and all powerful, he loves everyone weather you give you life to god or not, he's transcendent and omnipotent and many more things they are very much different.

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Actually he's totally the same. Although he's killed more people, been more violent and generally just shown himself to be a great deal eviler than the gods in most other religions.

How can you say a god who would be so evil as to create a place called hell and make people suffer there for all eternity, benevolent or mercifully? Hitler/Stalin had nothing on the acts god has demanded in the bible?

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Actually, that's a gross generalisation. Different branches of Islam have different ideologies of the after life and who will and will not be punished. Some are open to other religions, some don't think you have to believe in Allah to live a successful life - provided you follow the rules you'll have a fruitful present and after life, while others think burning and spearing are suitable forms of not believing in Allah :)

Arguably, the silent majority of muslims don't actually have an opinion, it is not for them to judge and they tend to think if you're doing good deeds and being a good human being, you're fine to live as you wish. You're thinking of the small minority of Muslim Extremists, who kill anything with a pulse and aren't Allah followers :)

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I'm not an expert in the area of Islam im just scratching the surface on that religion, so no doubt what you say is true. Alongside what i said. Like in every religion there is many branches and i homed in on the extreme end of islam.

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Originally Posted by Mentor

I disagree, It's referring to God. That includes all gods, Allah, Yahweh, Set and the rest of them.
Pretty much the entire debate has been over the general concept of God, rather than any specific instance o.o


No God means all gods, from Thor to Allah to Yahweh (this being the name of the Christian god, despite your claims he doesn't have one)


Weired, thats exactly what the Christian bible says will happen to people of any other religion too.. Not every Christian believes that, not every muslim believes that ether. All religious texts due to the huge number of contradictions are just down to interpretation.

Christains have bombed more people, murdered more people and done more harm than any other religion - Generally even against other christrom ains, the entire IRA thing was catholics v Protestants...

I would educate yourself a little more on the subject as right now this reads as being incredibly bigoted if not a little racist "/


Actually he's totally the same. Although he's killed more people, been more violent and generally just shown himself to be a great deal eviler than the gods in most other religions.

How can you say a god who would be so evil as to create a place called hell and make people suffer there for all eternity, benevolent or mercifully? Hitler/Stalin had nothing on the acts god has demanded in the bible?

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I am in no way racist and meant no offense in what i said about muslims.

My opinions on god have formed from a christian upbringing and a christian life.

I'm really not in the mood for writing out everything i believe in and why i believe in it mainly because i don't want it torn apart by some ill-informed teenager. You can PM me if you really want to carry this on because theology is sick so yeah :)

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Originally Posted by Luccy.

I am in no way racist and meant no offense in what i said about muslims.

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"Islam is a very hateful religion, the reason some of them bomb places is because they believe the qu'ran tells them to kill all non-believers"

Yup, all Muslims are evil and hateful. No judgments or racist judgments being made there - sure the majority of terrorist attacks were committed by christians, blowing up plenty of buildings with the whole IRA thing and the klu Klux Klan's racial attacks to the more modern firebombing of abortion clinics= not to mention a few outright murders... But yea, its all those other religion thats all hateful never Christians.

If you look at the extreme ends of any religion, you aint gonna find anything good - kinda unfair to make statements about Islamic extremists when the Christian extremist's are quite easly far worse. (be it primarily because theres more of them_

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My opinions on god have formed from a christian upbringing and a christian life.

I'm really not in the mood for writing out everything i believe in and why i believe in it mainly because i don't want it torn apart by some ill-informed teenager. You can PM me if you really want to carry this on because theology is sick so yeah :

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My opinions are based on fact, logic, evidence and a long running interest in theology that has provided me with an reasonable wealth of understanding.
From the way you come across i'm guessing you probably haven't even read the bible in its entirety, never loan have entered in to any real critical discussion of the concepts involved or consideration of the wide array of interpretations out there.

The fact so far your argument consist of a ad hominem attack kinda backs up my point.

Kinda ironic you call me the ill informed teenager o.0 Though dont expect a PM, i honestly don't care, i'm far more interested in discussing the wider issue in a public forum with interested parties than i am in discussing it with someones whos sole contribution so far has been a few racist remarks and some insults aimed at myself rather than my augments.

In terms of Religion, the term god is spread along every religion which has an omnipitent being at the top:

- For Christianity it's 'God', with a capital G, the god of Christianity's name is God itself.
- For Judaism it's usually 'Yahweh', but depending on certain eras and subcultures it can differ.
- For Islam, it's Allah, and as far as I can see, it has always been known as Allah.
- Buddhism doesn't have a god, the Buddha was the first human to acheive enlightenment, he did grow old and die and he didn't perform miracles, he is simply the example of how enlightenment can be acheived. If he was defined as a god, he would be the only god to live a full life and die naturally out of all religions (that I know of).

The term god is simply the word used to define the omnipitent being at the top and forefront of the religion, God isn't related to other religion's as his name is defined by Christians. Therefore the god itself could be the same person, just represented differently in every faith. The main topic of this debate is focused on the Christian god, probably because, just assuming, the majority of members are Christian or have the most knowledge about this particular god, the topic is aimed at god as a whole though.

Just wondering how exactly did this topic turn into who is god and what it belongs to rather than does it exist :P.

Personally i think he does exist but i dont actually believe it if you get me?, dont judge me btw its just im not christian and have not been brought up with god always in my mind, i dont like to think about if he exists because then i think about how the world was made, who are gods parents & so on + it makes me mixed up.
i have no opinion if he exists or not but i know hes up there:)

I dont believe in god

However i think that religion is a main factor to why people live their lives, if there was no religion how would so many people cope without anyone to really turn to?

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Originally Posted by dogboy123

I dont believe in god

However i think that religion is a main factor to why people live their lives, if there was no religion how would so many people cope without anyone to really turn to?

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It's the main reason why religion exists, it gives the answers and support, but its also the main reason why it can't simply be abolished considering people are brought up to believe that you can't live without god, that's why people are relucant to accept that god doesn't exist and why people don't understand how people can live without god. They've been brought up to be unconsiously dependent on the existance and dependence of god.

This doesn't apply to everyone, but it does apply to a small minority.

No I don't believe in God.
I can explain why I don't. If anyone wants me to explain to them.