Forum going down hill?

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Originally Posted by alexxxxx

i agree..

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If you're going to rate moderation based on post count then theres no hope for any of us.

Martin's a bloody good moderator, and news manager. Just because he doesn't post as frequently as some of the more outspoken members doesn't detract from him as a member.

This thread seems to waiver between making one good point followed by 4 pages of complaining about a specific person or department. I'd like to thank everyone who does make constructive posts with reasoning, and tell others that throw out accusations and unreasoned suggestions that they are hurting their cause by drowning out the quality posts.

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Originally Posted by alexxxxx

i agree..

you might not have as much time to spend on this forum as we do, but i think moderators who are integral members of the community. 600posts in a year isn't getting involved, it's 2 posts a day.

we need sensible moderation by people who understand what's happening in a thread, not trying to show to a manager that they're doing their job. Moderators aren't meant to be police, they're meant to make a forum run smoothly.

we need to adress the issue of members not staying.. or converting guests into members.

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Tbh, I'm on this forum a hell of a lot. There isn't a single day when I don't spend at least 4-5 hours on here. Sad? maybe? but I enjoy it. I don't see how you can base moderation around post count like that. 2 Posts per day isn't a fair comparison, as I could of posted a lot less when I first joined. Everyone is always so concerened with post count, but that's just a number. If I want to post in discussions then I will- but aslong as I'm at least reading them and doing my job of moderating them, then I don't see where your problem is.

Honestly, I make a post in this thread, offering feedback, and then it turns into a "slate the mod" thread- which we get lots of.

No wonder nothing gets done, when the people who WANT to help get unfairly critisised. There are lots of things that need improving, yet people still find time to upset people. I'm sorry If my low postcount has offended anyone, I will do my best to post in mulitple threads from now on, but I don't enjoy posting in forums when there is an "unhappy" mood to the place. Moderators are treated like dirt sometimes, when they are offering up their time to do as you say "make the forum run smoothly". I can easily understand what's happening in a thread by reading it.

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Originally Posted by Jamesy

If you're going to rate moderation based on post count then theres no hope for any of us.

Martin's a bloody good moderator, and news manager. Just because he doesn't post as frequently as some of the more outspoken members doesn't detract from him as a member.

This thread seems to waiver between making one good point followed by 4 pages of complaining about a specific person or department. I'd like to thank everyone who does make constructive posts with reasoning, and tell others that throw out accusations and unreasoned suggestions that they are hurting their cause by drowning out the quality posts.

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im not doubting he's a good moderator and understandably people don't want their web community going the pan. but i think there is an argument that people who post more and become truly involved will be more respected. we don't need people who are 'above' the others like it is atm. we need people who can prove their worth over a long length of time and making an effort to get themselves involved. They've already gained the respect, they've seen arguments before, they know everyone, they sort it out. Change the text from red to blue. it looks a lot less authoritarian.

I have made a long post earlier which seemed to get ignored altogether.

also, staff need to be able to take some amount of critisism. just because i might have said something that you don't agree with doesn't mean i have to be hounded upon saying i'm destroying the entire thread. i'm entitled to my opinion and i've given it.

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Originally Posted by alexxxxx

right, my ideas.

this forum has been quite noticeably struggling with getting new members. all i see when/where i post is people with post counts of thousands plus. alot of us have been on this forum for years (me personally will have been on here for SIX in march, if i stay on that long).

i don't know what goes on in habbo anymore, i havent been on it to 'play' for a couple of years now. but i'm aware of loads of changes. it looks like sulake is trying to suck up the community under their umbrella and you need to fight back.

i think management is an issue. i've never been involved in moderation nor any job here (even though I have applied several times), yet i have seen in the past what i'd call 'unexperienced' moderation, people who are relatively new to the community getting moderation jobs. Infact I remember at one point (im not sure if they're still on here), someone became a manager with hardly any posts at all. I think people need to prove themselves over time to show that they are capable of taking up responsibilities further up the community. there was a point where every other member seemed to have a job, whilst now management is alot more concentrated and when you have exams, work, the like i guess the amount of time you can devote to evolving the community is limited. The council was a failure. But maybe informal ideas should be taken into consideration more by the newer members.

I remember when alot of people left (perhaps the last 'generation') when there were scandles with Mizki and a load of others running off. There was alot of mis-management then with the main community and i think the worrying thing is that management aren't attracting new members. An Arcade that is PREVELANT, and maybe is joined up with the competitions dptmt (ie habbo prizes for arcade results etc). I know there's a HxHD but what is the deal with that? Does it act as a sort of habbox info centre in habbo? I think Hx and HxF needs to be advertised more. Maybe a return of HxTV? ^_^

I don't go on the habbo section of the forum anymore, i know i was brought here by habbo and then moved over to general forum area, this transition isn't really attractive as most people already have made certain friendships and crews with people (i haven't personally really, although i enjoy a dig at dan now and again ;)). I know I was intimidated with the cliques when i was making the 'transition' and i think a group system would help people get 'into' the general section (which is essentially the core of hxf).

I think a bit of research is in order. How old people are, which forums they visit. I'd hazard a guess the older members are in general and the younger members are in habbo. This is an issue that really needs to be resolved.

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We recently started an Arcade Tournament (8 tournaments of 8 then the final). Technical difficulties keep stalling it up but we'll get it finished eventually! The main problem with the competitions department is its advertising but our new year's resolution is to try and change this around. Recently, we've been hijacking entering events and advertising competitions in there to maybe attract the non-Habbox users to sign up to the forum. :)

I love the idea of HxTV (I wasn't here when it was first going) but they tried bringing it back before, under the Productions Department, and it wasn't much of a success tbh. That may be because of the fact that the staff had to do ALL of the work; the writing, the directing etc... but it was hard (I was one of the staff on the revived attempt).

I didn't multi-quote but to the person who said that Comps and Events should be merged, I would feel sorry for the manager who had to handle that :P. While it sounds like an easy thing to do, I don't think it would work realistically. I'm currently doing manager of one, trialist of the other and it's bloody hard work! It'd be unfair to expect all of the staff to do that.

i doubt it, not like competitions do much work anymore

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Originally Posted by emotional

i'll sell you chf's xmas skin for a mod or blow job. i'm not fussy.

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Split the profits or I call foul!! (Try selling it and I'll disown ya.)

From personal experience, I totally agree with the observations re older forum members. Some of those that have been here the longest, or have the largest egos, are generally dominating certain sections in an aggressive fashion.

Take most threads in the technology forum, and it's almost a case of paying deference to who the users there believe is the über god. Take any forum discussing current affairs and it suddenly turns into a conservative EU discussion forum where there is only one correct view, imposed by a select few.

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Originally Posted by phone

i doubt it, not like competitions do much work anymore

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The competitions department works very hard, most of the work you can't see as it's mostly behind the scenes. All you get is the final product, you don't see the work that goes into it beforehand, so I have to disagree with your comments. :)

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Originally Posted by Barmi

Split the profits or I call foul!! (Try selling it and I'll disown ya.)

From personal experience, I totally agree with the observations re older forum members. Some of those that have been here the longest, or have the largest egos, are generally dominating certain sections in an aggressive fashion.

Take most threads in the technology forum, and it's almost a case of paying deference to who the users there believe is the über god. Take any forum discussing current affairs and it suddenly turns into a conservative EU discussion forum where there is only one correct view, imposed by a select few.

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Oli and I have been discussing 'elitism' tonight and have informed the moderation department it comes under either being Rude, or being a negative factor.

Please if you do see someone being put down in an agressive/ egotistical (but clearly not joking) way report it or message us.

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Originally Posted by Inseriousity.

The competitions department works very hard, most of the work you can't see as it's mostly behind the scenes. All you get is the final product, you don't see the work that goes into it beforehand, so I have to disagree with your comments. :)

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oh lets think of a comp for this week :S:S:S lets ask a dj to advertise out comps????




iapps is always rude in tech, deserves a ban from it for like a month... a new user was offering something free and he attacked them.. i was like wat:S:S:

sorry if this is targeting users

and we all know who hates the eu.. im sick of all the threads just because he is anti labour

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Originally Posted by phone

iapps is always rude in tech, deserves a ban from it for like a month... a new user was offering something free and he attacked them.. i was like wat:S:S

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Attack 'em back, it's how alot of forums do it - member moderation, if you disagree with something or how someone has acted, you make it clear - not in a rude "STHU" sort of way, just point out that it's stupid attacking another member for something so petty and trivial.