Animal testing

Against, I detest it. Its one of the only things I passionately hate. I think I read someone with the same opinion as me.. if not nevermind. But if you're going to test things on animals, especially to do with medical cures etc. Do it on a human. Its useless on an animal, they may react completely differently to a human. For those saying animals are not aware of existence, and do not feel pain the same as humans, i'm sorry, but anything with living tissue that moves and thinks, have feelings and therefore feel pain. Anyway, just an opinion. Which I'm going to stick to no matter what.

PETA are just ******ed, they kill more animals than they save. Apprantly they blew up this hamburger factory and killed all the cows in the surrounding farmland, they're crazy. And of course animals feel pain. Scientists even believe flowers feel pain and that just before you pick them and they're severed from the plant they supposedly scream, so yes the chances are if a dandelion can feel pain so can a regular lion.

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Originally Posted by asher_

Of course they feel pain.

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only as impulse to there nervos system, not as consiose responce like humans.

Pain means the consuise responce to the stimulus humans have, so no animals dont feel pain, only detect damage, which kicks in there self preservation instincts

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Originally Posted by Splat!

Against, I detest it. Its one of the only things I passionately hate. I think I read someone with the same opinion as me.. if not nevermind. But if you're going to test things on animals, especially to do with medical cures etc. Do it on a human.

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Feel free to volunteer then..

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Its useless on an animal, they may react completely differently to a human.

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But in reality the ones they test on DONT, so the testing is valid and its tested on a non centain life form that doesnt cair insted of a centain consuise life form that does...

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For those saying animals are not aware of existence, and do not feel pain the same as humans, i'm sorry, but anything with living tissue that moves and thinks, have feelings and therefore feel pain.

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0.o well i think you need to retake biology then, brains do all the think and all the responding to pain, animal brains dont have the consuise aspect though (no frontal loab) hence do not feel pain in human terms, only a responce to damage which is part of an instintal self presevantion system.
Feelings, deffinlty not, emotions are also relaint on a frontal loab, unless you clame you would still have emotions, feel pain and think, even if your brain was removed from your body, your clame doesnt hold up...

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

If an animal is bred simply for that purpose, then why not use them for it? It's not like they're sentient anyway, they don't have real emotions and don't feel real pain. Been a thread to do with that theory a while back about animal rights or vegetarianism or something, I believe Eamonn, Helen and myself were campaigning for fair treatment of plants, as it's about as relevant as animal cruelty.

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Oh yeah anti-peta , save the plants , peace bruvva !

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Originally Posted by 01101101entor

only as impulse to there nervos system, not as consiose responce like humans.

Pain means the consuise responce to the stimulus humans have, so no animals dont feel pain, only detect damage, which kicks in there self preservation instincts

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Although some animals are given anestheia a lot, if not half are put through pain and distress. They feel pain just like humans feel pain.

I am for it for some testing like scientific testing that will make medicine to cure diseases.

But for hair products I dont think they should do dangerous tests with the animals. Maybe when they are almost dont with the product they can use it on the animals before it is tested on humans and hits the shelfs.

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Originally Posted by asher_

Although some animals are given anestheia a lot, if not half are put through pain and distress. They feel pain just like humans feel pain.

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no they dont? the anestheia is not used becuse they feel pain in the human sence, its insted to stop the animals built in relfex actions and instincts to take over. If an animal is attacked in the while its survival instincts take over to keep it alive. These instincts though dont always help, they cause the animal to struggle and get destressed. Which in many cases will do them more harm than good in the human maintained environment.
The survival instincts shoulnt be confused with actaly conusly feeling pain, you have them to, althogh we have the consiose aspects to, you touch somthing hot you will automaticly withdraw your hand even without haveing to coniusly do so, and even before the message arives at your brain and is prossesed conisoely, since it just goes to the spine and back to save time "/
Humans are like other animals but we have the frontal lobe and consiuiness on top of it which allows us to understand and perseaveing things in complty diffent ways "/

Entor, although hardly nobody here agrees with you, I think you just won the debate. :P

That would be because he's right. Animals and plants feel "pain" only as an instinctive reaction to something that threatens the continuance of their species, or quite often just themselves. As Mentor said, it's not the same as feeling real pain, because they don't have the capacity to understand it.

People believe in animal rights because we've been brought up with these liberal ideas that somehow if humans stop being nasty then the rest of nature will follow suit. This won't happen, I promise you. Not eating a burger because the poor moo cow died to make it won't stop lions, crocodiles, or even domestic animals from hunting and killing to eat.

If you want to argue that we shouldn't use animals to test treatment (cosmetic or medical, makes no difference to me) for humans, then why not step up the argument by saying that we shouldn't be using plants to make cures, we can only use compounds and such found in non-living matter like rocks. Anyone here think that rocks hold the key to curing widespread disease? Thought not.
Meat is murder = Salad is murder.
Animal testing is horrific = Picking daisies is genocide.

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Originally Posted by 01101101entor

no they dont? the anestheia is not used becuse they feel pain in the human sence, its insted to stop the animals built in relfex actions and instincts to take over. If an animal is attacked in the while its survival instincts take over to keep it alive. These instincts though dont always help, they cause the animal to struggle and get destressed. Which in many cases will do them more harm than good in the human maintained environment.
The survival instincts shoulnt be confused with actaly conusly feeling pain, you have them to, althogh we have the consiose aspects to, you touch somthing hot you will automaticly withdraw your hand even without haveing to coniusly do so, and even before the message arives at your brain and is prossesed conisoely, since it just goes to the spine and back to save time "/
Humans are like other animals but we have the frontal lobe and consiuiness on top of it which allows us to understand and perseaveing things in complty diffent ways "/

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Animals have similar electrical impulses in their brains that are much the same as those in a human; as well as, having similar areas of the brain involved in processing pain and acting upon it. I understand what you said about touching something hot and it's the same with an animal; If an animal who is being slaughtered gets killed quickly it is quick and painless because their bodies don't have enough time to react; however, if they are killed improperly, and in a lot of cases they are, the animal will die a slow, distressing and painful death. In regards to the anesthetic, it creates loss of feeling and/or awareness so no pain is felt at all.