Praying and How It Helps (Or Most likely Doesn't)

I don't see the point. I just call it thinking? Prayer is when you are thinking about stuff in your mind and pretend you are talking to someone, like God.

When I am thinking about stuff, I normally sit with a blank expression and think about stuff and sort it out, I like to sort out my thoughts and learn from them. Christians just think but to someone in their own mind while sitting in a position (arms closed, head bent down etc). I just think religious believers resolve their problems similar to thinking but pretend they're talking to someone and they end up resoliving it by coming to their own conclusions when they think and possibly say it over to themselves. The connection of God is just the name they have given to the part of their mind they are talking it through with.

I pray from time to time, and when I do, I pray for my family and friends to be safe, and for guidance.

I'm a muslim btw.

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Originally Posted by 01101101entor

Your answer basicly consists of this.
> i am to stupid to understand what your saying
> so i will ignore it completely to avoid having to think

Read your answer if you dont agree, thats exactly what your saying, i cant example this logic any more simply, this is the sort of stuff most 5 year olds can handle, theres nothing advanced here, no theology, no technical detail, just simple 2+2=4 logic.

A perfect being cant be wrong.
You can only prey if something is wrong.

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I'm sorry but theres no need to insult me? People pray so they can have a connection with God and give God permisson to be in their lives. Therefore people don't just pray when theres a problem. When people say they move Gods heart what could they mean? What is normally used with the heart? Love maybe?

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Originally Posted by 01101101entor

It doesnt work. Dont even bother entering a debate if you are not even up to the challenger of understanding an oppents agurment.
Be ignorat in your own time, it is not a way to debate.

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This isn't even a debate anymore mate its just a pointless arguement which will never have an end mainly because neither of us will back back down because we both want to defend our beleifs and you may think I'm stupid for not seeing the logical side to things but I don't know what else you want me to say other than admitting I'm wrong which I won't do.

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Originally Posted by Dan2nd

I'm sorry but theres no need to insult me? People pray so they can have a connection with God and give God permisson to be in their lives. Therefore people don't just pray when theres a problem. When people say they move Gods heart what could they mean? What is normally used with the heart? Love maybe?
This isn't even a debate anymore mate its just a pointless arguement which will never have an end mainly because neither of us will back back down because we both want to defend our beleifs and you may think I'm stupid for not seeing the logical side to things but I don't know what else you want me to say other than admitting I'm wrong which I won't do.

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Hence why theres no point in you debateing since all you can do is argue. If a better agrument is offered and mine is destroyed i ether accept i was wrong or i create a new counter. Blind defining an incorrect, disproven belife is not debateing, its simply clinging to ignorance.
You cling to ignoance and refuse to accept the evedance offered, even though it is well within your understanding.

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Originally Posted by 01101101entor

You cling to ignoance and refuse to accept the evedance offered, even though it is well within your understanding.

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What evidence? You said 'people only pray when they have problems' then I said 'no they don't' Wheres the evidence in that?

You said 'God is meant to be perfect' I said yes I know he is I've also said I agree some people pray to God when they have problems but I also said personally don't. I pray to express my thoughts and emotions

I work in a church. When they do a healing service or a special prayer all they do is pray for someone and heal themselves of problems they probably don't have.

"I forgot to say thanks when someone opened a door, off to hell I go!"

I don't see what they are being healed of in a healing service.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

I work in a church. When they do a healing service or a special prayer all they do is pray for someone and heal themselves of problems they probably don't have.

"I forgot to say thanks when someone opened a door, off to hell I go!"

I don't see what they are being healed of in a healing service.

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Lol I've never been to one of those before

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Originally Posted by Dan2nd

Lol I've never been to one of those before

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They're freaky, they talk in tongues to the person that has come up to be healed. What of I do not know. I think a woman said something about her husband and his behaviour?

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Originally Posted by 01101101entor

So its to solve the problem of hell, you needing help to get in to heven becuse you dont think god is good enough to already provide all the help you requre?


Ok... every point i made for the last few pages? i take it you didnt read any right? i wasnt sure the logic was getting threw, now im definite it isnt.

God is perfect?

Yes?

A perfect god makes perfect choices?

yes?

Move gods heart/changeing his mind, means go did not make a perfect descion?

yes?

So since god is perfect you cannot change his mind (move his heart)

yes?

Well that or god has been perswaed to do a less perfect act, evil maybe, or he made a mistake... ether way it couldnt be god if it was becuse its trade of IMPERFECTION?

So preyer serves no purpos and is illogical?

yes?

and in fact is an affront to god, since it implys hes not perfect and not doing his job right (perfectly)

yes.

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Question. Have you even read a tiny bit of the bible? Genesis atleast? In their you will find that Adam & Eve ate from the forbidden tree and were cast out of the garden of eden into the wilderness, where they were left by themselves and were not in direct contact with God.

I find it highly illogical that you seem to never agree to a good counter argument, I've read through the thread and there seems to be some pretty good arguments, I don't ask you to agree with them but all you seem to do is mindlessly blabble on about incomprehendable counter-arguments.

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Originally Posted by Ezzie.

Question. Have you even read a tiny bit of the bible? Genesis atleast? In their you will find that Adam & Eve ate from the forbidden tree and were cast out of the garden of eden into the wilderness, where they were left by themselves and were not in direct contact with God.

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Yes, but i take it you havent? since you seem to have neglected to take in to account which genisis? 1 or 2? the storys are very differnt.

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I find it highly illogical that you seem to never agree to a good counter argument, I've read through the thread and there seems to be some pretty good arguments, I don't ask you to agree with them but all you seem to do is mindlessly blabble on about incomprehendable counter-arguments.

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o.0 so your saying you saw some good arguments, and then my counter agument was to complex for you to understand, hence you belive the orignals stand?
I seriosly think my counter was incredibly simplictic, currenly its written a reading age likenable to the Suns o.0

And please present to me a decent argument, mine is apriori, not an empirical one, hence is hard to refute with a posterioi knowledge since your dealing with a being supposedly metaphysical to start with "/