Satanism - God Haters? Or People who enjoy life?

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Originally Posted by Biohazard

To be honest, anyone that is a Satanist just makes me think very low of them.

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Well that just proves that you are as ignorrant as the people that the Satanic Bible talks about because you are being prejudice about Satanists.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Satanism is just like any other religion, it's only really bashed around alot because of the Satan part of Satanism.

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Agreed :)

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Originally Posted by Monkwrestler

In short it is a religion with no rules at all and a religion where you can do what ever you feel like.
sounds good

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Not strictly true lol it has rules but they are all good ones in that they let you do the things you like :P

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Originally Posted by VBT-700

It is not a religion no it is more a phillosophy and I don't know where in LaVeys writings you got that "Satan was used by LaVey (the creator of the cult) because it impresses weak-willed anti-theists who just want to rebel against Christianity because that's the done thing to do. " So if you could point that out it would be good.

He uses satan to represent the forces of nature aswell as the image of "Mans Nature" and Human desires that we feel. The philosophy is to indulge in those carnal desires that are inherent in man. (the writer/book you quoted, can you send me a link to where I can read it.. I am interested in how he represents "Liberty" :))

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LaVey didn't say it himself, of course he wouldn't. The idea of making a cult is that you want people to follow it, so he wouldn't have said such a thing himself lol. However as you state, "Satan" is the name he uses for nature and humanity, when he could easily have simply said nature or the ego or spirit or whatever else you can name such things as. My point was that by using the name of Satan instead of another term, LaVey got the attention of anti-theists just at the time when hating the Christian church was getting big (it's still the case now, lots of people slate Christians for no reason other than because it's something people do). LaVey was a businessman, he needed something to market his idea.

http://www.bartleby.com/130/ has the entire book On Liberty in electronic form if you're really interested (it's not a big book as philosophy texts go, but still a lot more than an afternoons lazy read lol)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Liberty is somewhat more concise, but doesn't cover a lot of it because of how small the page is. Mill's basic idea though is summarised by his statement that people should not be stopped from any act at all unless it directly harms another person.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

LaVey didn't say it himself, of course he wouldn't. The idea of making a cult is that you want people to follow it, so he wouldn't have said such a thing himself lol. However as you state, "Satan" is the name he uses for nature and humanity, when he could easily have simply said nature or the ego or spirit or whatever else you can name such things as. My point was that by using the name of Satan instead of another term, LaVey got the attention of anti-theists just at the time when hating the Christian church was getting big (it's still the case now, lots of people slate Christians for no reason other than because it's something people do). LaVey was a businessman, he needed something to market his idea.

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I agree on the businessman part but another reason it uses satan is that the ideas are basicaly in direct conflict with most of the catholic views so it does make sense that he would use that image. So I agree it was a brilliant marketing idea but the fundamental ideas are still good :P

And thanks for the links ;)

Do these "Satanism" people celebrate Christmas and Easter?

You can enjoy life with rules, its what keep's the country in place.
Why do they hate "God"?
An religion? Gosh anything can become a religion nowdays can't it?

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Originally Posted by N-Dubz

Do these "Satanism" people celebrate Christmas and Easter?

You can enjoy life with rules, its what keep's the country in place.
Why do they hate "God"?
An religion? Gosh anything can become a religion nowdays can't it?

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It has nothing to do with not following rules.
They don't hate god they hate the people who take God as an excuse to control people.

It isn't a religion its a philosophy ;) like I said at the begining try having a basic understanding before you post :)

Oh and they celebrate pagan festivals which are the same dates as easter and christmas as the timing for both of those came from pagan festivals :)

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Originally Posted by VBT-700

It has nothing to do with not following rules.
They don't hate god they hate the people who take God as an excuse to control people.

It isn't a religion its a philosophy ;) like I said at the begining try having a basic understanding before you post :)

Oh and they celebrate pagan festivals which are the same dates as easter and christmas as the timing for both of those came from pagan festivals :)

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Sorry I have my own religion to practice, therefore I dont spend my time looking up others.
"Satanists do not accept the Bible as depicting the true Satan to the same degree, basing their concept of him on personal spirutal expirence and prayer."

So they do worship Satan? Its too confusing for me.
God isn't a way of controling people, people dont control you using God. He gave 10 comandment's and you obide your life by them. Every religion has rules, even Satanism I'm sure..

They worship what they call satan, which is basicly nature and mans ego/spirit.

I God is or should be a way to control people but of course people use god to control people, Reverands Priests whatever you want to call them use God as there power, the Pope is the most powerful man in the world almost with control over a huge percent of christians and he uses God for his own needs, for instance he doesn't want people to use condoms, God didn't tell him to do it, it is just his view and he uses God as an excuse to implement it.

Of course Satanism has rules I didn't say it didn't but they aren't rules of restriction but rules that tell you to do things that you want and things that will make you a better person.

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Originally Posted by Monkwrestler

In short it is a religion with no rules at all and a religion where you can do what ever you feel like.
sounds good

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Exactly xD

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Originally Posted by N-Dubz

Do these "Satanism" people celebrate Christmas and Easter?

You can enjoy life with rules, its what keep's the country in place.
Why do they hate "God"?
An religion? Gosh anything can become a religion nowdays can't it?

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"Satanism" isn't nessercarily the belief in "Satan" I would say I'm "Satanist" because I pretty much come under all they condone, doesn't mean I hate God, I don't believe in God or religions in general, making me atheist, I don't hate them because you can't hate something that doesn't exist
A religion is a group of people who follow the same beliefs and ideas, the only way to become a "real" religion is to follow certain standards, I'm not sure what they are but I know you need a cathedral or a building that stands as a cathedral

I enjoy life without rules, the thing that keeps countries in place are laws, which are stronger than rules
And yes..A "satanist" can celebrate Christmas, easter etc.

It's the media's fault that everyone thinks Satanism is about sacrifices and stuff like that.

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Originally Posted by Axel

It's the media's fault that everyone thinks Satanism is about sacrifices and stuff like that.

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Yep and the fact they cba to read up about it :rolleyes: stupid media! lol