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16-08-2009, 09:24 PM
xxMATTGxx

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Originally Posted by Stutoman

That changes the whole meaning of the term "Ban". To ban someone means that they are no longer allowed to access what they are banned from. If you are permenantly banned from a country then they won't let you in at border control.
So basically its A) Telling people to piss off because they aren't wanted and at the same time saying "You are free to come back though under another name"

You may aswell just reset their statistics if you do that, otherwise there is no point to it.

HabboxForum isn't a country though. Most of the time when users get permed banned, they will come back and start behaving. If they don't, then they getting added to the "Autoban" list where they are not allowed to come back. It's like given them a second chance.
16-08-2009, 09:25 PM
Lost

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Originally Posted by Stutoman

That changes the whole meaning of the term "Ban". To ban someone means that they are no longer allowed to access what they are banned from. If you are permenantly banned from a country then they won't let you in at border control.
So basically its A) Telling people to piss off because they aren't wanted and at the same time saying "You are free to come back though under another name"

You may aswell just reset their statistics if you do that, otherwise there is no point to it.

Exactly. That means if I got banned right now I could just hop on a spare account and start doing whatever I did that got me banned in the first place. :S
16-08-2009, 09:27 PM
Firehorse

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Originally Posted by MattGarner

HabboxForum isn't a country though. Most of the time when users get permed banned, they will come back and start behaving. If they don't, then they getting added to the "Autoban" list where they are not allowed to come back. It's like given them a second chance.

But isn't that exactly what temporary banning, warnings and infractions are for?
16-08-2009, 09:27 PM
lick

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Originally Posted by omgMatt

Oh come on.. freedom of speech in the country I'm posting this from? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Like you said when someone said freedom of speech "Habbox has the right to do anything"

:eusa_danc:eusa_danc
16-08-2009, 09:30 PM
Lost

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Originally Posted by omgMatt

Oh come on.. freedom of speech in the country I'm posting this from? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

If there was such thing as freedom of speech on this forum, then the whole idea of banning people because of arguments would of been unthinkable.
16-08-2009, 09:31 PM
Firehorse

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Originally Posted by omgMatt

You're forgetting that HabboxForum is an independently owned site and the site admins have the right to do whatever they want. They can ban whoever they want for whatever reason - which I'm sure was in the rules and disclaimers you read when you joined.. :rolleyes:

I only added that last bit because many times before my threads have quite simply been closed, deleted and often flared. The reminder does help to stop that.
16-08-2009, 09:52 PM
buttons

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Originally Posted by mwah

I think the "Posting to Cause Arguments" rules is the most stupid thing ever. It should be removed and you should just get infractioned / warned if you are rude / breaking other forum rules... seems to work on other sites

Yeah, it's so easy to get someone/yourself infracted for this rule. Anything that's slightly rude can be seen as posting to cause arguments and you get infracted for it, I could easily just report something saying "they clearly want me to retaliate!!11 so they're causing arguments" and they could get infracted for it. That infraction is used a lot from what I've seen edited and don't think it really needs to be, probably only when a thread is made purely to cause an argument. I got infracted for it in a thread that was made against me in the first place so surely that person was the one causing the arguments in the first place but ye back on topic :8

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Originally Posted by Stutoman

Could you care to then explain why in the past I have seen people who were previously banned come back with the same username but with a slight alteration, most commonly username1 but then they are not banned again and can post for months on end. Basically it just sends out the message that the real meaning of the word "Ban" is just to simply rip you of your stats.

You can have a new account when you're banned?? Why complain anyway, would you rather they kept banning you until you couldn't make any more accounts..

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Originally Posted by Lost

Yes but as an admin of a huge Fansite, you should take into consideration what people want to change, because if you're just going to act like a total idiot and ban anyone because they feel like it and just do what they want, then the fansite will begin to lose it's reputation, as what it's doing now, which brings me back to my point on how the mods take their job too seriously and how people on this forum like you think they're the best thing since slice bread, using these sarcastic emoticons, obviously thinking that they're 100% right.

It's not all about "people-pleasing" (although i've seen some managers like that :eusa_whis) and doing what we want, it's what will attract new guests and keep the others from not being turned away.. I'd much rather post on a forum where there are some mature people who don't feel the need to swear and insult each other all the time. Although I do agree mods are way more serious now, was looking at threads from November and in one thread I said for a joke "now **** off" twice. + me and geraint also avoided the filter for the female dog word and yeah mods posted in that thread and did nothing because there was no need to. Little things are getting picked at now for no reason at all..

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Originally Posted by Stutoman

That changes the whole meaning of the term "Ban". To ban someone means that they are no longer allowed to access what they are banned from. If you are permenantly banned from a country then they won't let you in at border control.
So basically its A) Telling people to piss off because they aren't wanted and at the same time saying "You are free to come back though under another name"

You may aswell just reset their statistics if you do that, otherwise there is no point to it.

Oh pleeeeeeeease you're making no sense at all and it's annoying, you're arguing for the sake of arguing, at least try to make sure your points are actually correct. You have totally contradicted yourself in that one paragraph, you're saying that to ban someone you have to make sure they're no longer allowed to access it at all EVER again. A ban doesn't have to mean permenantly and stop taking real life extreme cases into this because it won't work as this is a ******* forum. First you say not to ban anyone for no reason then you're saying if they're banned they shouldn't be allowed back. That IS the case with a perm ban but if you're thinking all bans should be perm then that wouldn't be fair at all and you'd get permed pretty darn easily :S

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Originally Posted by Lost

Exactly. That means if I got banned right now I could just hop on a spare account and start doing whatever I did that got me banned in the first place. :S

If it was really extreme (posting/spreading child porn - not that i'd do that 4god!!!) then you'd be autobanned meaning never allowed on any account. With perm banning you're allowed back because it's only been continuous rule breaking that has been a pain in the arse but does not necessarily mean you have to be restricted from posting at all, if you were to make an account to "start doing whatever i did that got me banned in the first place" you'd just get banned more and more until eventually you get autobanned. sigh. i don't know why half of you even moan, it's just to be cool and rebel i guess. wrong.

As for banning from a seperate forum, I think it's a great idea. If you're banned from a forum you're causing trouble in then it's actually STOPPING you from being punished more. Look at the benefits, you'll stop getting infracted/warned and eventually banned as you'll be stopped from doing so. Oh but if you want to carry on being infracted + warned instead of giving you a cooling period then continue arguing over this :) Not many people get banned often and when they do come back on a new account it's pretty easy to guess who they are and I'm sure the mods would know who it is, the first 15 posts need to be approved first so if a new account suddenly just starts posting in one forum after someones banned from it, it won't be hard to make out who it is.
16-08-2009, 10:01 PM
Firehorse

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Originally Posted by buttons

Oh pleeeeeeeease you're making no sense at all and it's annoying, you're arguing for the sake of arguing, at least try to make sure your points are actually correct. You have totally contradicted yourself in that one paragraph, you're saying that to ban someone you have to make sure they're no longer allowed to access it at all EVER again. A ban doesn't have to mean permenantly and stop taking real life extreme cases into this because it won't work as this is a ******* forum. First you say not to ban anyone for no reason then you're saying if they're banned they shouldn't be allowed back. That IS the case with a perm ban but if you're thinking all bans should be perm then that wouldn't be fair at all and you'd get permed pretty darn easily :S

No, he was talking about perm banning. if it isn't permanent then the account would get unbanned anyways and I wasn't talking about that.
And I think you are starting to rant and rave more than any of us here ;)
16-08-2009, 10:04 PM
xxMATTGxx

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Originally Posted by Stutoman

No, he was talking about perm banning. if it isn't permanent then the account would get unbanned anyways and I wasn't talking about that.
And I think you are starting to rant and rave more than any of us here ;)

So you’re saying If I got perm banned on habbo, I shouldn't be allowed to sign up again on a new account and start behaving? Because last time I checked Habbo didn't really stop you. Yes they give you like 2 hour bans these days or even more. But we aren't going to stop everyone who’s had their account perm banned from coming back on. Only the ones on the autoban list for much worst reasons then "normal perm". Think it like this way, If you get a perm ban on your forum account, it just means that account won't be lifted unless the ban was unfair. Meaning you would have to use another account to use the forum, but if they shall carrying on breaking the same rules. That's when further action comes into place and they may be added onto the autoban list.
16-08-2009, 10:15 PM
Firehorse

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Originally Posted by MattGarner

So your saying If I got permed banned on habbo, I shouldn't be allowed to sign up again on a new account and start behaving? Because last time I checked Habbo didn't really stop you. Yes they give you like 2 hour bans these days or even more. But we aren't going to stop everyone whos had their account permed banned from coming back on. Only the ones on the autoban list for much worst reasons then then "normal perm".

We were originally talking about the individual forum banning and the general stupidity of how intense the forum is moderated.

Habbox forum is an indipendant fansite to habbo, so there aren't any relations in banning rules. Also habbo don't ban you very quickly. You need to offend and re-offend seriously up to 5 times for a permanent ban. And banning on habbo you lose your ingame assets (furni) which is paid for.

I think even this now is over the top. As a moderator why not accept the constructive critisism and get the admins to consider it and maybe even apply it to the other mods.

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