ITV to create Pay Per View Channels

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Often people do that nowadays because Gordon Brown spent all the state pensions back when gaining office in 1997 and thus we have an unaffordable pension black hole which is a time bomb waiting to go off (you may think I am over-stating that, but just watch within the next 10-20 years the demographics show we are heading for complete catatrophe). As for comparing war to the BBC - totally flawed. Commercial television and a war (agree with it or not) are totally different although i'd agree that our money should be spent more on what the majority want when concerning central government.

As for the BBC; you say that the majority of the population will be pissed off for killing the BBC - but if its as popular as you suggest, why would it be killed off? - if theres the demand then people will pay for its services.

On the BBC;- yes I do watch some things on it although I far prefer other broadcasters, at the end of the day when I come to pay license fee it should be my choice whether I wish to pay for the BBC or Sky or any other broadcasters. My choice, not the choice of you, Gordon Brown or anyone else. The waste that goes on in the BBC due to it being owned by the state is amazing, even sickening. That (as shown by history) is why the BBC wastes so much;- privatisation would put a firm stop to that as it did with various other industries which were making a loss back until they were privatised in the 1980s.

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The good thing about BBC is that its there to provide everyone who pays the license fee with GOOD QUALITY TV for everyone. It has shows for everyone. From shows for babies to shows for OAP's. You are also forgetting, if it wasn't for BBC, things such as iPlayer would never have been developed as private firms would have been reluctant to spend so much on it. That has meant other channels have had to develop their own online players.
BBC has so many channels and radio stations. When you look at it overall, its well worth it.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Or conversely as it is you that is you that is in the minority not only on this forum but in the country as a whole why should we bow to a minority opinion? Just because people shout louder doesn't mean that they are right.
People who think like this perhaps should consider whether they are in fact living in the right country as the BBC has been with us since 1922 and the welfare state since the 1940s. It is a middle of the road country - full stop not a right wing country and no matter how many threads are turned into a party political discussion UKIP will not be anywhere near getting into power in the next few years and probably never because they are not a party based on facts - they are a party based on rhetoric and words do not run a country.

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Do show how I am the minority opinion;- infact on nearly every single one of my opinions they can be backed up with opinions polls which show the British people are right behind me on the European Union, smaller government, the death penalty, free markets and various other things. It is not me who is the minority, it is you and the left.

As for being left wing the country, England is right wing like it or not. Scotland and Wales are not, i'll give you that however England is. England is the majority and if it wasnt for unfair representation of Scottish seats then Michael Howard (a very right wing politician) would of made the Premiership back in 2005. The BBC has been with us for years, however I could not care less. The mines we had were some of the first mines in the world, the mines down south created something like four fifths of the words tin at one point - did they make a profit in their later days? - no they did not, hence why they closed and rightly so.

UKIP are a party based on facts, they call for referendums which is something you hate and something the main parties cannot stand. You hate the idea of people making their choice, you hate the idea that people should work to better themselves because that ruins the idea of equality. They wont be getting near power anytime soon and I accept that while we have a proportional representation. If you go on ignoring the people then they will eventually turn to the far right, the BNP.

By which, you've signed your own death warrant.

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The good thing about BBC is that its there to provide everyone who pays the license fee with GOOD QUALITY TV for everyone. It has shows for
everyone. From shows for babies to shows for OAP's. You are also forgetting, if it wasn't for BBC, things such as iPlayer would never have been developed as private firms would have been reluctant to spend so much on it. That has meant other channels have had to develop their own online players.
BBC has so many channels and radio stations. When you look at it overall, its well worth it.

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No I am not arguing about the BBC and its programming, if it provides for everyone as you say then why not let everyone choose which TV they wish to pay towards and thus watch?

Forgive me, but maybe its because you know people are pissed off with having to pay near the £150 mark every year for something they may not even watch/like and a corporation which wastes billions every year. Do you get the concept that when something is under the wings of the state that it gets too big, too watseful because of the very reason it thinks it cannot fail?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Do show how I am the minority opinion;- infact on nearly every single one of my opinions they can be backed up with opinions polls which show the British people are right behind me on the European Union, smaller government, the death penalty, free markets and various other things. It is not me who is the minority, it is you and the left.

As for being left wing the country, England is right wing like it or not. Scotland and Wales are not, i'll give you that however England is. England is the majority and if it wasnt for unfair representation of Scottish seats then Michael Howard (a very right wing politician) would of made the Premiership back in 2005. The BBC has been with us for years, however I could not care less. The mines we had were some of the first mines in the world, the mines down south created something like four fifths of the words tin at one point - did they make a profit in their later days? - no they did not, hence why they closed and rightly so.

UKIP are a party based on facts, they call for referendums which is something you hate and something the main parties cannot stand. You hate the idea of people making their choice, you hate the idea that people should work to better themselves because that ruins the idea of equality. They wont be getting near power anytime soon and I accept that while we have a proportional representation. If you go on ignoring the people then they will eventually turn to the far right, the BNP.

By which, you've signed your own death warrant.

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Show me where the majority of the British public agree with the death penalty? A reputable source, not crap like the Daily Mirror.

Heyyy we want to plant some new trees on the road. Lets do a referendums. They are an idiotic party. I have said many times, they say what people want to hear because even they know that they will never get in power. This allows them to say whatever as they never have to implement it and even they know its possible.
I feel sorry for those who fall for their tricks.

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Originally Posted by Saurav

Show me where the majority of the British public agree with the death penalty? A reputable source, not crap like the Daily Mirror.

Heyyy we want to plant some new trees on the road. Lets do a referendums. They are an idiotic party. I have said many times, they say what people want to hear because even they know that they will never get in power. This allows them to say whatever as they never have to implement it and even they know its possible.
I feel sorry for those who fall for their tricks.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/apr/27/ukcrime13
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/inte...ls-and-studies
+countless others, the figure swings from the low 50%+ mark to 70% mark at its highest. Thus I am on the majority side.

Quite frankly what an idiotic example;- referendums would be on a national level on issues such as the European Union, Death Penalty and so on and on a local level they would be on would the local area want a new pool/park and so on. You yourself have said before that you agree with the idea of having referendums and letting the people decide because you have awknowledged that the MPs and politicians do not reflect the views of the people anymore. You are now backtracking on this because it is UKIP, instead of following tribal politics why not think for yourself?

I feel sorry for people like you who have been brought up to vote Labour, I really do.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/apr/27/ukcrime13
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/inte...ls-and-studies
+countless others, the figure swings from the low 50%+ mark to 70% mark at its highest. Thus I am on the majority side.

Quite frankly what an idiotic example;- referendums would be on a national level on issues such as the European Union, Death Penalty and so on and on a local level they would be on would the local area want a new pool/park and so on. You yourself have said before that you agree with the idea of having referendums and letting the people decide because you have awknowledged that the MPs and politicians do not reflect the views of the people anymore. You are now backtracking on this because it is UKIP, instead of following tribal politics why not think for yourself?

I feel sorry for people like you who have been brought up to vote Labour, I really do.

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Where have I said I support referendums? I might have on one or two things which are large scale and affect the whole country. In the last thread, I flamed you for referendums. You want referendums on everything, which means having MPs is useless as they arent making the decisions, all decisions are being made by the public. They are expensive.

The guardian is from 2003 and this is what it states:

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Support for the death penalty is strongest among those aged 65+ and lowest among those aged 25-34 . Those who have been a victim of crime are more likely to support capital punishment, but the most striking differences in attitudes are regional ones.

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So basically its those who have been a victim of a crime who want it (which isnt surprising ...) and those who are over 65 (and they lived in times of death penalty and back then it was a entertainment).

The 2nd link you provided says:

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Support for the death penalty recently declined in both Great Britain and Canada

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Please read the links before you link to them before they backfire on you :).

"Brough up to vote labour"

Lol pretending to know about me ... lame.
I was not born in this country and I have formed my own political opinion. I rarely ever talk to my parents about politics so, another fail right there. Feel sorry for you having to pretend to know people.

Can't believe the Guardian was used as an example. What a ****** paper.

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Originally Posted by Saurav

Where have I said I support referendums? I might have on one or two things which are large scale and affect the whole country. In the last thread, I flamed you for referendums. You want referendums on everything, which means having MPs is useless as they arent making the decisions, all decisions are being made by the public. They are expensive.

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http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=632119

You even +repped me for it in agreement.

MPs are expensive, its also expensive having a BBC which spends billions and billions on wasteful projects and its expensive having a parliament for not even 70 million people which has 650 odd MPs when a country the size of the United States doesnt even have that many politicians sitting. We waste so much and the BBC is no exception. If the BBC were to adapt and became privatized, if it controlled its finances like any normal business model would demand;- it would have a bright future. If not, then it deserves to go down the pan just like any other business.

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The guardian is from 2003 and this is what it states:

So basically its those who have been a victim of a crime who want it (which isnt surprising ...) and those who are over 65 (and they lived in times of death penalty and back then it was a entertainment).

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You look yourself, type in on google 'death penalty UK opinion polling' and various sources and results will come up for you. As for the over 65s - what on earth are you talking about? - the death penalty was never a form of entertainment and was done away from the public eyes in the last century, infact I dont even think anyone is even alive who lived in the days where we hung 'witches' for entertainment. You make it up as you go along, but polling aside; do you accept that we should have a referendum on the issue and that the result become the policy of the law?

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The 2nd link you provided says:

Please read the links before you link to them before they backfire on you :).

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It has declined, it doesnt say it has dropped below the 50% mark. I am the majority, it has backfired on you my friend.

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"Brough up to vote labour"

Lol pretending to know about me ... lame.
I was not born in this country and I have formed my own political opinion. I rarely ever talk to my parents about politics so, another fail right there. Feel sorry for you having to pretend to know people.

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You have been brought up to vote for a certain party, I can tell because often you switch totally from the left views to the extreme right (havent you even called for vigilantanism before against criminals?). The fact whenever there is a debate you constantly attack a party because its a party, not something you actually disagree with shows to me that you are into tribal politics and fail to form an opinion of your own. I provide sources (as above) and you totally ignore them. Its a no win situation for me with you.

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Can't believe the Guardian was used as an example. What a ****** paper.

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Indeed, but as the majority of people who disagree with the death penalty are Labour supporters and thus the Guardian is a very left wing Labour paper, I thought it would be appropiate for the Guardian to be used as an example because if I provided sources from the Mail, Times, Telegraph or Sun I would be blasted for providing right wing papers as examples. I'm suprised the Guardian even published them results if i'm quite honest.

I am blind, where did I say in that thread I support all referendums? I will reply in detail tonight, going out now.

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Originally Posted by Saurav

I am blind, where did I say in that thread I support all referendums? I will reply in detail tonight, going out now.

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I said;

"The voting point is totally correct aswell and thats another reason why major issues in this country aswell as lower down issues should be decided via referendum and not by the ruling elite, who are totally out of touch as shown by yet another disgusting self-reward they have given themselves."

..to which you replied;

"Sounds about right to me."

You also +repped me for that exact post saying that for once you agreed with me.

If I'm going to pay for a channel, there better be no adverts.