NPD: Mac sales up 39 percent in January and Febuary as iPod sales rebound

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

You were removed from the room because you insulted Canada three times, one time involving homosexuality. I didn't have a tantrum.

- I said iPads objective and iPad like devices are to replace the personal computer
- I said you cannot say an iPad is more than a oversized iPod because you've never used an iPad.

I cannot upload the screenshots of what you said, as the contents violate forum rules.

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The third time involving Homosexuality was not targeted towards Canada. (viewers of thread: it was targeted towards Justin Bieber if you really care)

And I note the use of the words "iPad-like devices". This proves that these devices MAY be the future, but the iPad won't be.

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Originally Posted by Markeh

The third time involving Homosexuality was not targeted towards Canada. (viewers of thread: it was targeted towards Justin Bieber if you really care)

And I note the use of the words "iPad-like devices". This proves that these devices MAY be the future, but the iPad won't be.

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Me saying iPad like devices will take over in the future doesn't prove anything, it's still my opinion. I can be completely right or completely wrong. My stance on all of this is:
- Don't know how good the iPad will be
- I'm not going to say it's the best thing since sliced bread, I haven't used one
- I'm not going to hate on it like the above users, I haven't used one
- I do this to be fair and to evaluate things more honestly
- Posting from a Core 2 Quad Windows 7 Home Premium Acer :)

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

Just because I upgrade to snow leopard doesn't magically mean I suddenly hate leopard.

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But because you've upgraded, you must do - using your logic that the select few of us upgraded from Vista to 7 must mean we hated Vista, even though we said we love it. I'm only going by what you said ;)

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

You should meet Steve Ballmer.

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Isn't he the new Microsoft person? He seems like a nice guy, he advertises Microsoft products for what they do, rather than what Steve Jobs does which is **** off the competition (if **** is filtered, then "make fun of" is acceptable) without actually advertising the product - see PC vs. Mac adverts and Jobs' release notes where he compared the NetBook market to the iPod Touch market for more information.

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

I'll tell you what's so amazing or crappy about it after I use one.

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Would you want to waste your time? We already know it's an iPod Touch that's seen way too many steroids, or been flattened/sat on by Jobs' ego :P

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

The native apps were re-written, and there'a a different SDK. There's differences between this and a typical iPod. Don't insult a Jeep because you've driven a motorbike.

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This was intended for Markeh, but the example was pretty crap I had to comment on it. Surely "Don't insult a Focus because you've driven a Fiesta" is a better example? The differences between a Jeep and a motorbike are too far inbetween, the iPod Touch is afterall not that different to a Touch. I'm amazed you've not understood that, seeing as Apple have clearly stated it runs roughly the same OS (a few tweaks to take into account the screen size for Apps), a different App store and 3G. Those aren't really major differences, if it ran a proper OS and could run under its own steam, then it would be a cool Tablet PC. The iPad isn't even in the Tablet PC market anymore, it looks as though the Tablet PC market is dominated by the Courier, HP Tablet and whatever Dell has to offer, the iPad is no competition as it isn't a Tablet PC, just a Tablet MP3 player like the Touch, which is quite disappointing seeing as Jobs (like an idiot) compared it to the NetBook, which raised alot of hype seeing as NetBooks are proper computers with webcams, USB ports and a real, hardy OS.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

But because you've upgraded, you must do - using your logic that the select few of us upgraded from Vista to 7 must mean we hated Vista, even though we said we love it. I'm only going by what you said ;)

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I am saying that many users on this forum suddenly thought Vista was horrible when Windows 7 came out. I'm not judging all Mac users or Windows users here. I'm judging what people on this forum previously said.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Isn't he the new Microsoft person? He seems like a nice guy, he advertises Microsoft products for what they do, rather than what Steve Jobs does which is **** off the competition (if **** is filtered, then "make fun of" is acceptable) without actually advertising the product - see PC vs. Mac adverts and Jobs' release notes where he compared the NetBook market to the iPod Touch market for more information.

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He's been at Microsoft since around the start.

Has he -naughtyword- killed google yet:P

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Would you want to waste your time? We already know it's an iPod Touch that's seen way too many steroids, or been flattened/sat on by Jobs' ego :P

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Need to try it before I hate it. Anyone who doesn't do this has an invalid opinion in my book, and to me their feedback means nothing.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

This was intended for Markeh, but the example was pretty crap I had to comment on it. Surely "Don't insult a Focus because you've driven a Fiesta" is a better example? The differences between a Jeep and a motorbike are too far inbetween, the iPod Touch is afterall not that different to a Touch. I'm amazed you've not understood that, seeing as Apple have clearly stated it runs roughly the same OS (a few tweaks to take into account the screen size for Apps), a different App store and 3G. Those aren't really major differences, if it ran a proper OS and could run under its own steam, then it would be a cool Tablet PC. The iPad isn't even in the Tablet PC market anymore, it looks as though the Tablet PC market is dominated by the Courier, HP Tablet and whatever Dell has to offer, the iPad is no competition as it isn't a Tablet PC, just a Tablet MP3 player like the Touch, which is quite disappointing seeing as Jobs (like an idiot) compared it to the NetBook, which raised alot of hype seeing as NetBooks are proper computers with webcams, USB ports and a real, hardy OS.

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Yeah but there are differences between the operating system. The larger screen and different SDK. plus, none of us have actually used one so we don't even know what's going to be different. In 5 months how this will compare to an iPhone. Maybe in 5 months we're going to see totally different more complex applications for this than the iPhone, maybe we wont. We just don't know, and I'm not going to accuse the iPad of being one thing now, when it might really be another.

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

I am saying that many users on this forum suddenly thought Vista was horrible when Windows 7 came out. I'm not judging all Mac users or Windows users here. I'm judging what people on this forum previously said.

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I've only seen people suggesting people upgrade their Vista machines to Windows 7 machines, or to get Windows 7 on a machine they're buying for dirt cheap which has Vista installed?

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

He's been at Microsoft since around the start.

Has he -naughtyword- killed google yet:P

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He's not like Jobs is he? It must be a Steve thing, to hate on Google :P

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

Need to try it before I hate it. Anyone who doesn't do this has an invalid opinion in my book, and to me their feedback means nothing.

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All fair, but to me it doesn't look good and I'd rather not buy a product that flopped when it was announced - Jobs did a terrible job at announcing it. It could work out quite well, but to me it is just a large Touch with a few extra features - Apple can't really announce anything new, seeing as it has no USB ports and it cannot stand on its own two feet. It's not a tablet PC, that's for sure. The Courier and what HP have announced are tablet PCs, the iPad is just a tablet media device made too sound and look like a PC.

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

Yeah but there are differences between the operating system. The larger screen and different SDK. plus, none of us have actually used one so we don't even know what's going to be different. In 5 months how this will compare to an iPhone. Maybe in 5 months we're going to see totally different more complex applications for this than the iPhone, maybe we wont. We just don't know, and I'm not going to accuse the iPad of being one thing now, when it might really be another.

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Basically saying the Focus is a Fiesta with a larger engine and different computer-type systems inside :P It's still a car, just not a super car. It's all well and good saying it has a different SDK, but the basic functionality makes it no different to an iPod Touch - the home screen, the Apps... Apple have got alot to pull out of their bag, and unless they add USB ports and make it so it can interact wirelessly with printers and computers as well as stand on its own two feet, it won't surprise me at all. So far, it is just coming off as an iPod Touch - the specs, the information released... Not looking good so far.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

I've only seen people suggesting people upgrade their Vista machines to Windows 7 machines, or to get Windows 7 on a machine they're buying for dirt cheap which has Vista installed?

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I wont say any names this time, last time I did they got annoyed :P

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

He's not like Jobs is he? It must be a Steve thing, to hate on Google :P

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All we need now is for steve woz to hate on Google while standing in a linup to buy an iPad.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

All fair, but to me it doesn't look good and I'd rather not buy a product that flopped when it was announced - Jobs did a terrible job at announcing it. It could work out quite well, but to me it is just a large Touch with a few extra features - Apple can't really announce anything new, seeing as it has no USB ports and it cannot stand on its own two feet. It's not a tablet PC, that's for sure. The Courier and what HP have announced are tablet PCs, the iPad is just a tablet media device made too sound and look like a PC.

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Then don't buy it. Just don't sit here and tell me how bad it is when you haven't even used it.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Basically saying the Focus is a Fiesta with a larger engine and different computer-type systems inside :P It's still a car, just not a super car. It's all well and good saying it has a different SDK, but the basic functionality makes it no different to an iPod Touch - the home screen, the Apps... Apple have got alot to pull out of their bag, and unless they add USB ports and make it so it can interact wirelessly with printers and computers as well as stand on its own two feet, it won't surprise me at all. So far, it is just coming off as an iPod Touch - the specs, the information released... Not looking good so far.

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I'll be honest my car knowledge is lacking for the typical male. Tom made a good point earlier about waiting for the v2 to have USB ports and other much wanted features.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

I've only seen people suggesting people upgrade their Vista machines to Windows 7 machines, or to get Windows 7 on a machine they're buying for dirt cheap which has Vista installed?


He's not like Jobs is he? It must be a Steve thing, to hate on Google :P


All fair, but to me it doesn't look good and I'd rather not buy a product that flopped when it was announced - Jobs did a terrible job at announcing it. It could work out quite well, but to me it is just a large Touch with a few extra features - Apple can't really announce anything new, seeing as it has no USB ports and it cannot stand on its own two feet. It's not a tablet PC, that's for sure. The Courier and what HP have announced are tablet PCs, the iPad is just a tablet media device made too sound and look like a PC.


Basically saying the Focus is a Fiesta with a larger engine and different computer-type systems inside :P It's still a car, just not a super car. It's all well and good saying it has a different SDK, but the basic functionality makes it no different to an iPod Touch - the home screen, the Apps... Apple have got alot to pull out of their bag, and unless they add USB ports and make it so it can interact wirelessly with printers and computers as well as stand on its own two feet, it won't surprise me at all. So far, it is just coming off as an iPod Touch - the specs, the information released... Not looking good so far.

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This is exactly what I tried to explain to David in HxHD. Except he refused to let me finish my sentence, and just kept shouting wrong at me continuously when I try and explain.

And I could understand the iPad being what David is explaining it to be, if it had more ports, and ran OS X. Which he claims isn't suitable for an iPad. And if it weren't for the fact that you wouldn't have enough space for OS X and Data on a 16Gb model, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple thought of that idea.

However, £10 ($10 CAD for David) bets that the iPad ends up with these features in the next 2 generations.

David.. What are you on about with 'YOU HAVEN'T USED IT SO YOU CANNOT COMMENT'

I have never met Osama Bin Laden - does hat mean I cannot comment from him, afterall I don't know him.. He could be a gentle man that plays with bunnies?

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And you flame us for having an opinion, but then you say yours and think it's fine. Both ways.

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David.. What are you on about with 'YOU HAVEN'T USED IT SO YOU CANNOT COMMENT'

I have never met Osama Bin Laden - does hat mean I cannot comment from him, afterall I don't know him.. He could be a gentle man that plays with bunnies?

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And you flame us for having an opinion, but then you say yours and think it's fine. Both ways.

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Extraordinarily different scenarios here. In computing, insulting an operating system and in this case it's an operating system and an entirely new sort of device we haven't really seen before, without using it, is a big giant no. Pretty sure every reviewer you go to actually has a demo device they review. They don't just say, "it's a big ipod we're not reviewing that because we know it sucks".

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Originally Posted by Markeh

This is exactly what I tried to explain to David in HxHD. Except he refused to let me finish my sentence, and just kept shouting wrong at me continuously when I try and explain.

And I could understand the iPad being what David is explaining it to be, if it had more ports, and ran OS X. Which he claims isn't suitable for an iPad. And if it weren't for the fact that you wouldn't have enough space for OS X and Data on a 16Gb model, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple thought of that idea.

However, £10 ($10 CAD for David) bets that the iPad ends up with these features in the next 2 generations.

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10 pounds is closer to 20 dollars CND, and in HxHD you were just criticizing me and trying to cause arguments with insults, it was a very far thing from an actual discussion :)

10.00 GBP
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15.3969 CAD