UKIP costs Cameron-Conservatives an estimated 20 to 25 seats, depriving them of power

I just find it hilarious that you think its because of UKIP that the Tories didn't get a overall majority.

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Originally Posted by Saurav.

I just find it hilarious that you think its because of UKIP that the Tories didn't get a overall majority.

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I just find it rather strange that you are actually ignoring both figures (mathematics provided), articles and Conservatives themselves saying that it did loose the Conservatives an overall majority. One example is where David Heathcoat-Amory was de-seated because a UKIP candidate refused to stand down despite party HQ demanding he do so.

The Conservatives got what? 305 odd seats.
UKIP prevented them getting 20 to 25 of these seats because it split the Tory vote.
Therefore 305+25=330 which would have resulted in an overall majority for the Conservative Party.

Lord Pearson offered Cameron the chance to give the people a referendum before the election in the knowledge that UKIP would not stand for election and actually support and campaign for the Conservatives, Cameron declined and now he has no majority in the Commons thanks to his vote being split.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I just find it rather strange that you are actually ignoring both figures (mathematics provided), articles and Conservatives themselves saying that it did loose the Conservatives an overall majority. One example is where David Heathcoat-Amory was de-seated because a UKIP candidate refused to stand down despite party HQ demanding he do so.

The Conservatives got what? 305 odd seats.
UKIP prevented them getting 20 to 25 of these seats because it split the Tory vote.
Therefore 305+25=330 which would have resulted in an overall majority for the Conservative Party.

Lord Pearson offered Cameron the chance to give the people a referendum before the election in the knowledge that UKIP would not stand for election and actually support and campaign for the Conservatives, Cameron declined and now he has no majority in the Commons thanks to his vote being split.

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Yes if Lib Dems, Green etc didnt stand for election, Labour would have an overall majority and there would be no hung parliament.

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Originally Posted by Saurav.

Yes if Lib Dems, Green etc didnt stand for election, Labour would have an overall majority and there would be no hung parliament.

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Indeed you are correct in saying that as most Greens/Liberal Democrats would be more inclined to vote Labour rather than Conservative. However we are talking about the effect on the Conservative vote that UKIP has had, and as the numbers show;- it has deprived them of a parliamentary majority.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Indeed you are correct in saying that as most Greens/Liberal Democrats would be more inclined to vote Labour rather than Conservative. However we are talking about the effect on the Conservative vote that UKIP has had, and as the numbers show;- it has deprived them of a parliamentary majority.

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You are presuming all of them would have voted Tories but that isnt true.

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Originally Posted by Saurav.

You are presuming all of them would have voted Tories but that isnt true.

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Not all of them but the vast majority, yes.

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Originally Posted by Saurav.

You are presuming all of them would have voted Tories but that isnt true.

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Your also presuming that everyone who voted for the greens and liberals would of voted for labour, but that isnt true. You cant have it both ways.

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Originally Posted by jam666

Your also presuming that everyone who voted for the greens and liberals would of voted for labour, but that isnt true. You cant have it both ways.

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I was using a ridiculous example to try and get it in to UT's head.

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Originally Posted by Saurav.

I was using a ridiculous example to try and get it in to UT's head.

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Well it failed, didn't it.

The question is when will you allow the figures and examples to get into your own head?
Or maybe they have, hence why you have no response to the figures I have provided and that commentators have described as the 'UKIP effect'.

I think often you disagree just for the sake of disagreeing.