5 reasons not to buy the iPhone 4

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Originally Posted by StefanWolves

Ohh slight tinge of jealousy?

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I knew a new iPhone was coming out in June and yet I still went with my HTC Desire... uhh if that's jelousy then I dunno what is!

Don't worry I'd be jealous

Why would I be jelous? I have a completely open phone I can develop on for free with an awesome OS with an awesome UI over the top of it which a completely open app store where nothing is censored. Ill have the same 720p video recording with 2.2 FroYo and I know ill be able to get every single feature in at least 3 more future OS upgrades, what is there to be jelous of? ;)

Camera problems, reception problems, screen problems, stock problems, what next?!?!

Oh also, I'm not locked down to the terrible resource hog of a program that is iTunes.

Pwnt :P

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Quite a lot of simple people buy iPhones too, and the sheer popularity is a contributing factor, so you cannot mark Android as an OS for simple people because it appears on "cheaper" devices, when not all simple people buy cheap products - cars are an example, loads buy these cars with amazing features but never use them :P.

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I agree and as I say its a generalisation but its also true. To follow on with your car analogy a person who buys a Ferarri is more likely to pay for extras than someone who buys a bog standard Vauxhall no? I think the same approach is taken to the Appstore which is exactly why there have been over 5 Billion Downloads since launch and why even now it is still growing faster than the Android market.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Android is growing by leaps and bounds, and a lot of App developers create Apps for all types of phones to maximise growth and income, and seeing as it's blatantly obvious Android isn't going anywhere, it's wise of them to do this. Obviously smaller companies may stay with just the one OS, but that's not true for all of them. Heck, Apple saw the fear of these free apps coming about, which is why they created iAds or whatever crappy named feature they brought in recently.

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Some companies will build on multiple OS's that is true but thats exactly the same as Windows and OSX. OSX doesn't have anywhere near the same kind of support as Windows, just like Android doesn't match the Apple appstore. I by no means think Android is a bad operating system but when people come in and slam the iPhone I think it frankly makes them look a bit naive. The iPhone is overpriced, undoubtably, but it can do a great deal more than any Android device because of the kind of support it has. When Android overtakes the iPhone in terms of support I do think it will be the superior platform, at the moment? No way!

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Besides, Android brings in creativity. Alot of these apps and widgets (widgets obviously being a unique feature to the OS and phones), are based around customising the device - home screens and so forth, something you don't really get with iPhones as far as I can tell, and don't forget alot of apps aren't even in the marketplace :P Swype is the main one, and that's in BETA form, and quite a few games are distributed from the developers website.

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At first I was sceptical of the iPhones inability to multitask but after a couple of years of working with the OS I've realised it was actually a smart move and I'm not too keen on the iOS4 Multitasking. From a developers perspective it makes memory management much more difficult because it not only gives you less memory to allocate from the heap but the amount of available memory will vary greatly depending on what else the user is running.

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Originally Posted by Recursion

Why would I be jelous? I have a completely open phone I can develop on for free with an awesome OS with an awesome UI over the top of it which a completely open app store where nothing is censored. Ill have the same 720p video recording with 2.2 FroYo and I know ill be able to get every single feature in at least 3 more future OS upgrades, what is there to be jelous of? ;)

Camera problems, reception problems, screen problems, stock problems, what next?!?!

Oh also, I'm not locked down to the terrible resource hog of a program that is iTunes.

Pwnt :P

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Nothing is censored? So why do they have a Market policy and why did they pull all tethering apps from the Market just a couple of months ago? Android is censored just like every other market place. Sure its more open than the Apple Appstore, I don't deny that but the things you can do extra are minor and often make the device run worse as I described in multi-tasking above.

As for your device, you have a device that will suffer from more compatibility issues with applications than any iPhone will. In my opinion one of the worst moves Apple made was in changing the resolution of the iPhone but even then you only have 2 different kinds of devices compared to the hundreds of Android devices.

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Originally Posted by Recursion

Why would I be jelous? I have a completely open phone I can develop on for free with an awesome OS with an awesome UI over the top of it which a completely open app store where nothing is censored. Ill have the same 720p video recording with 2.2 FroYo and I know ill be able to get every single feature in at least 3 more future OS upgrades, what is there to be jelous of? ;)

Camera problems, reception problems, screen problems, stock problems, what next?!?!

Oh also, I'm not locked down to the terrible resource hog of a program that is iTunes.

Pwnt :P

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I don't even have an HTC Desire and the older HTC Hero and I'm not jealous of the iPhone. :S

I can't believe people are making out us Android people are jealous lmao...

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Originally Posted by MattGarner

I can't believe people are making out us Android people are jealous lmao...

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I'm not and I'd be more likely to buy an Android device than I would an iPhone but I still think its inferior, the only reason I would purchase an Android smartphone would be because of the price differences.

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Originally Posted by MrPinkPanther

Nothing is censored? So why do they have a Market policy and why did they pull all tethering apps from the Market just a couple of months ago? Android is censored just like every other market place. Sure its more open than the Apple Appstore, I don't deny that but the things you can do extra are minor and often make the device run worse as I described in multi-tasking above.

As for your device, you have a device that will suffer from more compatibility issues with applications than any iPhone will. In my opinion one of the worst moves Apple made was in changing the resolution of the iPhone but even then you only have 2 different kinds of devices compared to the hundreds of Android devices.

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:rolleyes:

[IMG]http://skitch.*****.co.uk/tetherproof.png[/IMG]

And how did they get around the different screen resolutions? XML-based UIs, sorted.

EDIT: Oh look...

[img]http://skitch.*****.co.uk/iphonetether.PNG[/img]

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Originally Posted by Recursion

:rolleyes:

[img]http://skitch.*****.co.uk/tetherproof.png[/img]

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They reinstated them later on apart from on the TMobile network in the US. My point is you can't claim its not censored when Google have censored it several times.

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Originally Posted by Recursion

And how did they get around the different screen resolutions? XML-based UIs, sorted.

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UI's yes but firstly thats not all graphics and secondly all of the specs are drastically different. Lets just take one example shall we? Inputs. Android devices can have a variety of different inputs, nothings standardised. Accelerometers, Touchscreens, Multitouch, Hardware buttons, Gyroscopes, Cameras, Pressure sensors, Infared, Bluetooth just to name a few. Its impossible to develop an application that will work with all of the different kinds of inputs which is why its much easier to utilise the features of the iPhone. If I build an application based on the Accelerometer and multitouch screen I can have the confidence that it will across all devices and look good on all of them, I could never have that with Android unless theres something I've missed?

Most android devices are accelerometer enabled with touchscreens. Hardware buttons change nothing, and any phone made in the past five years has infared and bluetooth. Games work in a variety of custom resolutions too because of the nature of developing with a dynamically expandable display resolution which the ADK is all about. They've gotten Sense UI working on a QVGA htc vogue. You can't say there's graphically imposed limitations due to the software, because there's not.

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Originally Posted by MrPinkPanther

They reinstated them later on apart from on the TMobile network in the US. My point is you can't claim its not censored when Google have censored it several times.


UI's yes but firstly thats not all graphics and secondly all of the specs are drastically different. Lets just take one example shall we? Inputs. Android devices can have a variety of different inputs, nothings standardised. Accelerometers, Touchscreens, Multitouch, Hardware buttons, Gyroscopes, Cameras, Pressure sensors, Infared, Bluetooth just to name a few. Its impossible to develop an application that will work with all of the different kinds of inputs which is why its much easier to utilise the features of the iPhone. If I build an application based on the Accelerometer and multitouch screen I can have the confidence that it will across all devices and look good on all of them, I could never have that with Android unless theres something I've missed?

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Android allows torrent clients, wifi teathering, adult applications, VOIP apps, tunnelling and proxies. If you're seriously going to complain about the restrictions on Android's market don't even touch the iPhone because it's 10000000x worse.

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Originally Posted by MrPinkPanther

They reinstated them later on apart from on the TMobile network in the US. My point is you can't claim its not censored when Google have censored it several times.


UI's yes but firstly thats not all graphics and secondly all of the specs are drastically different. Lets just take one example shall we? Inputs. Android devices can have a variety of different inputs, nothings standardised. Accelerometers, Touchscreens, Multitouch, Hardware buttons, Gyroscopes, Cameras, Pressure sensors, Infared, Bluetooth just to name a few. Its impossible to develop an application that will work with all of the different kinds of inputs which is why its much easier to utilise the features of the iPhone. If I build an application based on the Accelerometer and multitouch screen I can have the confidence that it will across all devices and look good on all of them, I could never have that with Android unless theres something I've missed?

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It's not a fantastic solution, ill admit that, but it's up to the developer which Devices they want their app to run on (they can emulate different devices using the Android Emulator in the SDK) and the Market actively filters our Applications that aren't compatible with your device, I guess you could count this as a sort of censorship but nowhere near on a scale like Apple's.

And +REP to HotelUser for pretty much suming it all up :P

http://developer.android.com/guide/p...s_support.html

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