The earth must be flat - the Quran says so!

Some of you don't understand some quite basic things about Christianity, for example Christian's do not believe everything that is in the bible, the bible is an attempt to explain what has happened in the past and make people better. It is in no way saying Adam & Eve were two real people, it's a suggestion of how people came about to be on Earth.

But anyway, all religions are very much at odds with Science, if people wish to believe what I would consider nonsense then very well, I respect their views cause Science can't explain everything yet.

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Originally Posted by NaughtyNemo

and christianity believes that we all originated from two people that got kicked out of paradise because of a snake persuading them to eat an apple.

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The snake merely represented greed and curiosity, and wasn't to be taken literally as a snake.

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Originally Posted by Biohazard

The snake merely represented greed and curiosity, and wasn't to be taken literally as a snake.

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thus proving my point that, that is your interpretation and you'll always get people taking things literally when that isn't always what is meant

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Originally Posted by Hitman

Good, wouldn't want you getting in trouble for insulting a fellow member of this fine electronic space in which we debate.

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why would you think i was talking about a member :S

Just to clear up before people get excited about it all, I'm not religious, I just happen to know a lot about religion because I study it. The following are not necessarily my beliefs, I just don't think it's proper for people to bash on ideas if they don't even know what they are. Same goes both ways though, as most religious people I know haven't got a clue about any of this stuff themselves so they're also fools.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Adam and Eve also had two children, both boys. How did they breed? :S With their mother?

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No, with other humans. Adam and Eve are the first mentioned, but nowhere does it say they're the only humans to have been created - one would assume that the creator of a species would want a few more if they're to thrive. Also Adam had a wife before Eve in a lot of Jewish mythology, so there could be half-brothers and sisters or something idk. There's also the introduction of the Nephilim, often stated as the offspring of human/angel couplings. These are the ones wiped out by the flood in the Noah story, as the angels who got jiggy with humans were banished for being naughty.

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Originally Posted by cocaine

thats a case of belief vs belief, what this thread is talking about is belief vs science
i know which one i'd go with..

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To be fair science once agreed with those views

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Arguably, you could say these stories, miracles and so forth are for illustration purposes. It's like Christianity and their anti-gay view (if you believe it) and parts that say you shouldn't wear two types of material. As far as I see it, the Bible only tells you about the commandments, the rest is nothing to be concerned of. If the rest is that important, then neither are the commandments if other rules were chucked in :P As far as I remember, the commandments are from God, the random rules about hating on gays came from humans.

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Moses wasn't the only prophet who got to speak to God lol

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Originally Posted by Fez

As vague the metaphors be in the bible, it's pretty much hinted to be somewhere in Africa.

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Ya the Tigris and Euphrates river are mentioned, and two others but can't remember the names.

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Originally Posted by NaughtyNemo

thus proving my point that, that is your interpretation and you'll always get people taking things literally when that isn't always what is meant

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They are morons then as even devout Christian's don't believe everything happened in the Bible, they use it to explain and teach things.

Edit: Tigris and Euphrates rivers are in Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Syria etc I believe? That links in with the rest of Christianity as many references in the bible are from that part of the world.

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Originally Posted by Jordy

They are morons then as even devout Christian's don't believe everything happened in the Bible, they use it to explain and teach things.

Edit: Tigris and Euphrates rivers are in Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Syria etc I believe? That links in with the rest of Christianity as many references in the bible are from that part of the world.

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Exactly, they are morons, and so is the guy in the OP's point, so what is exactly is the point of this thread ? Just somewhat annoys me how most of the stuff in this forum is directed towards Islam when infact, a lot of religions have similar issues, for example, morons who take everything literally.

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Originally Posted by alexxxxx

why would you think i was talking about a member :S

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You said that this didn't deserve a thread and you said 'guy' indicating one person (two in the video I believe) so I assumed you meant Wig.

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Originally Posted by Wig44.

@Nemo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dXGJ2rYdA&NR=1 Right - no special treatment. This video will tell you what you need to know.

@Undertaker: You cannot claim Christianity is any better than Islam. Christianity (dare I say it) historically has been far, far worse than islam could even dream of.

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Old christianity yes, thats why I made the point about the modernisation of christianity and the lacking modernisation of Islam.

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Moses wasn't the only prophet who got to speak to God lol

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Obviously, but seeing as God gave him the commandments to give us morals on how to live our lives, as a benchmark, he can't just send poor ol' Moses on his way down the hill and think "Shoot! Forgot to mention my hate for the gays!" when he was quite strict about these rules, laws or however you see them :P The other meetings with God appear to only be mild warnings regarding commandments being broken, like the Sodomites were people who slept around which revolves around sleeping with the neighbour's wife, or taking possessions from your neighbours. Sometimes interpreted as homosexuals, bad/kick-ass angels. It's written so weirdly it's hard to make much sense of the book of Revelations, or the one beginning with L which is rarely spoken :P

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Originally Posted by Wig44.

@Undertaker: You cannot claim Christianity is any better than Islam. Christianity (dare I say it) historically has been far, far worse than islam could even dream of.

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Some of the wars were because they (Christians) were attempting to modernise and give some cultures and nations some sense of morals and laws. You may hear in some cartoons, films, novels where the word "heathen" is chucked around, usually directed at unruly people who have no sense of peace or morals - wars involving Christianity were set about to fix these wrongs, teaching them how to act and so forth. Islam is usually on the other end, along side people pretending to be gods and so forth.