Netherlands overturns draconian smoking ban

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Absolute rubbish, maybe ASDA sells something Tescos doesn't and thats why I go to ASDA - oh jesus, that could be creating a divide in society. Don't use political speak like that which doesn't really mean anything for such a trivial issue, this is nothing like apartheid/a divide.

It is down to individual choice.



You would have the freedom, you would have the freedom to chooce whether to go to a smoking pub or a non-smoking pub. In regards to radical, what is radical is telling landlords what rules and regulations they must have, forcing landlords to erect costly outside smoking areas, fining people for smoking all of which is resulting in pub closures week after week and thus you get more unemployment and the death of many important local pubs which you could argue is the foundation of a local community - especially if you live in a small village/town.

Weatherspoons banned smoking before the ban and it worked very well.



You wouldn't have to let it affect you, as you would have the choice of a non-smoking pub or a smoking pub.



Saving lives? why not just go the whole hog then and ban cars, drinking, salt, fatty foods and so forth?

I think the people who need to 'man up' are those who can't make a simple decision for themselves.

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Not everyone has a bazillion pubs near them, and so those who dont have a non-smoker pub will either not have the chance to go to a pub, or have to harm their health for no benefit whatsoever other than being able to use a service that is already available to them.

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Originally Posted by NaughtyNemo

Not everyone has a bazillion pubs near them, and so those who dont have a non-smoker pub will either not have the chance to go to a pub, or have to harm their health for no benefit whatsoever other than being able to use a service that is already available to them.

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Nobody forces you to go to a pub.

To add to that, its like going to a pub and expecting that alcohol will not be on sale. Smoking has been part of the pub scene for many many years, just as drugs are part of the clubbing scene and the same with drinking for both. If you go to a pub, you expect there will be smoking.

If you don't like it then you don't go - nobody forces you to go.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Nobody forces you to go to a pub.

To add to that, its like going to a pub and expecting that alcohol will not be on sale. Smoking has been part of the pub scene for many many years, just as drugs are part of the clubbing scene and the same with drinking for both. If you go to a pub, you expect there will be smoking.

If you don't like it then you don't go - nobody forces you to go.

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Times change, so do traditions. Kind of a dumb thing to say otherwise things would never change. Nobody should be forced to have their health harmed just because they want to go to a PUBLIC place. Smokers can still go, but they do their business outside, its not like they're banned.

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Originally Posted by NaughtyNemo

Times change, so do traditions. Kind of a dumb thing to say otherwise things would never change. Nobody should be forced to have their health harmed just because they want to go to a PUBLIC place. Smokers can still go, but they do their business outside, its not like they're banned.

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Traditions do change yeah, but not with legislation.

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Originally Posted by NaughtyNemo

Nobody should be forced to have their health harmed just because they want to go to a PUBLIC place.

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You wouldn't have anything forced on you. You-are-not-forced-to-go-to-a-pub.

It is like me walking into the local ASDA and complaining that food is on sale - rightly enough, i'd be branded as a loony.

Can I also ask on a personal note though (because you are really concerned about health it appears as are the rest of the health brigade here), do you avoid alcohol, salt-laden foods, fatty foods, hydonated fat, GM food, food dyes and so forth? I do hope so.

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Traditions do change yeah, but not with legislation.



You wouldn't have anything forced on you. You-are-not-forced-to-go-to-a-pub.

It is like me walking into the local ASDA and complaining that food is on sale - rightly enough, i'd be branded as a loony.

Can I also ask on a personal note though (because you are really concerned about health it appears as are the rest of the health brigade here), do you avoid alcohol, salt-laden foods, fatty foods, hydonated fat, GM food, food dyes and so forth? I do hope so.

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Well apparently now they do, a change within a change!

Yes but people should have the option, smokers can still smoke, just outside. Its a compromise so that everyone is pretty much happy.

And notice that i said "for no benefit". Alcohol has the benefit of...fun. All those foods, are generally delicious and food dyes well they're in most things and not too bothered about them. Smoking however in the same room as a non smoker, just provides a nasty smell and cancer. cool.

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Originally Posted by NaughtyNemo

Well apparently now they do, a change within a change!

Yes but people should have the option, smokers can still smoke, just outside. Its a compromise so that everyone is pretty much happy.

And notice that i said "for no benefit". Alcohol has the benefit of...fun. All those foods, are generally delicious and food dyes well they're in most things and not too bothered about them. Smoking however in the same room as a non smoker, just provides a nasty smell and cancer. cool.

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Outside in the freezing cold - the point is that it should be down to the landlord and not the government as to whether or not smoking is allowed on their own pub premises - you know, a return to common sense.

Not bothered about them? what do you think causes heart attacks and so forth? It is very clear and plain to see the point on cancer and health effects is irrelevent - because of all of you in this thread who are so supposedly worried about passive smoking which has very very very little health effects (if none at all), you are all glad to go out and consume fats, salts, chemicals, and genetically modified food.

I don't get what the problem is with people taking 5 steps to the door so that they don't harm other people while feeding their disgusting addiction?

Unless they're exceptionally selfish or just lazy, that shouldn't be a problem.

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Originally Posted by R0BB13G

I don't get what the problem is with people taking 5 steps to the door so that they don't harm other people while feeding their disgusting addiction?

Unless they're exceptionally selfish or just lazy, that shouldn't be a problem.

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I don't see what the big issue is with you where you can't make a simple choice of which pub you wish to go to (a non-smoking pub or a smoking pub)?

..is it really that hard to make a decision for yourself?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

I don't see what the big issue is with you where you can't make a simple choice of which pub you wish to go to (a non-smoking pub or a smoking pub)?

..is it really that hard to make a decision for yourself?

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Yes because there is only one pub near me within about....10 miles? I don't particularly want to drive over to the other side of town just for a drink thanks.

And I don't see why i should have to drive 10 miles, waste petrol & my money, just for drink, when selfish smokers can just walk outside the door to feed their disgusting habit. Which is better for everyone? Yes - smokers going outside.

I'd look at it as a punishment for getting addicted - they have to freeze to feed their obsession, sounds fair enuf to me.

This is pointless, -:Undertaker:- isn't open to other people's opinions. Whatever we say doesn't seem to get through. Seems like they are trolling tbh.