Transsexual's fight for implants lands taxpayer with £18,000 bill

I think you're using this to peddle your own transphobic views. I think your reasoning for being annoyed at this is more due to the fact that wanting to be a different gender is something you cannot understand. Surprisingly, I've never had this worry but I do know people who feel that they've been trapped in the wrong body and the hell that they have to go through.

However, I agree this shouldn't be paid by the NHS. The NHS should be there for people in need, who need to get better, whose health will dramatically increase due to its actions. I think it's terrible that she felt she had to commit suicide but suicidal thoughts shouldn't be reasoning for money like that being paid out. For the suicidal thoughts, she should've been given therapy. I feel any cosmetic surgery that isn't needed to save a life should be paid privately.

There have been many cases where teen girls have been given NHS surgery for breast augmentation because they were bullied. Where obese people were given liposuction because they refuse to lose weight. These were not widely reported yet this one is. Considering the source it doesn't surprise me but I feel that article is doing nothing but stir up transphobia and hatred.

I think it's fine, I look at it in my own shoes.

If something could completely change my life and make me extremely happy, I don't believe money should become an issue, unless of course, it is thoroughly ridiculous, which this is not.

The point is though here, the taxpayer shouldn't be paying for somebody's desires to be a Woman. There is private companies, which do exactly the same surgery (and there is no doubt, the NHS paid a private company to do this surgery) and they do so using their own funds. There is quite a few people, who would want a boob enlargement on the NHS it isn't going to happen, I am also more than sure other men would want a sex change - but they get told to pay for it themselves.

Then on the other end of the spectrum, there is people who are being denied life saving drugs totalling to the same amount. Surely they should be given priority, over a man who has decided he wants to change gender... Its al about prioritizing. He was originally denied treatment, by the Primary Care Trust who decides on the money. But per usual, someone wins a legal battle against the NHS. The people who decided at the end of the day, whether or not he got treatment probably don't even have anything to do with the local budget. Now they have lost a big sum of money, and legal costs which could have been put towards something which benefits a number of patients not one man.

The NHS isn't here to provide transexual surgery, its here to save peoples lives. Hence, why it was set up.

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Originally Posted by Ajthedragon

I think it's fine, I look at it in my own shoes.

If something could completely change my life and make me extremely happy, I don't believe money should become an issue, unless of course, it is thoroughly ridiculous, which this is not.

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Well spoken views on this, I agree with you, +rep :)

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Originally Posted by Ajthedragon

I think it's fine, I look at it in my own shoes.

If something could completely change my life and make me extremely happy, I don't believe money should become an issue, unless of course, it is thoroughly ridiculous, which this is not.

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Fair enough, I do agree with you. But you can spend your own money on it not the National Health Service'.

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Originally Posted by Mrs.McCall

I think you're using this to peddle your own transphobic views. I think your reasoning for being annoyed at this is more due to the fact that wanting to be a different gender is something you cannot understand. Surprisingly, I've never had this worry but I do know people who feel that they've been trapped in the wrong body and the hell that they have to go through.

However, I agree this shouldn't be paid by the NHS. The NHS should be there for people in need, who need to get better, whose health will dramatically increase due to its actions. I think it's terrible that she felt she had to commit suicide but suicidal thoughts shouldn't be reasoning for money like that being paid out. For the suicidal thoughts, she should've been given therapy. I feel any cosmetic surgery that isn't needed to save a life should be paid privately.

There have been many cases where teen girls have been given NHS surgery for breast augmentation because they were bullied. Where obese people were given liposuction because they refuse to lose weight. These were not widely reported yet this one is. Considering the source it doesn't surprise me but I feel that article is doing nothing but stir up transphobia and hatred.

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Would you say you agree with the idea that she has severe mental health issues? Paranoia, depression etc. To attempt to commit suicide over something like this does come off as something wrong with the individual's psychological well being. She doesn't need to have the operation(s), because there are other ways around her desires and depression, for example. The problem here is that she wants to harm herself because of these thoughts - her body is fine, it's all in the mind (as the now made up rhyme and now famous saying goes :P) If the thoughts are what are causing the problems, then the NHS (or other organisation) should tackle the cause of the thoughts - the mind, remove any sense of paranoia, self-harm etc. To operate to get rid of it seems a bit selfish, when the costs could be down to her over a set amount of time. Afterall, I could get depressed over someone bullying me for goodness knows what reason, doesn't mean I should get the Government (and the tax payers) to kill off the bully, or change what is supposedly "wrong" with me, when all I need is the doubt removed.

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Originally Posted by GommeInc

Would you say you agree with the idea that she has severe mental health issues? Paranoia, depression etc. To attempt to commit suicide over something like this does come off as something wrong with the individual's psychological well being. She doesn't need to have the operation(s), because there are other ways around her desires and depression, for example. The problem here is that she wants to harm herself because of these thoughts - her body is fine, it's all in the mind (as the now made up rhyme and now famous saying goes :P) If the thoughts are what are causing the problems, then the NHS (or other organisation) should tackle the cause of the thoughts - the mind, remove any sense of paranoia, self-harm etc. To operate to get rid of it seems a bit selfish, when the costs could be down to her over a set amount of time. Afterall, I could get depressed over someone bullying me for goodness knows what reason, doesn't mean I should get the Government (and the tax payers) to kill off the bully, or change what is supposedly "wrong" with me, when all I need is the doubt removed.

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That's like saying you can cure being homosexual Dan. And what you're basically saying yourself is we shouldn't try to 'cure' homosexual people, but we should try to 'cure' transgendered people because otherwise giving into what they want would cost you too much.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

Totally uninformed and prejudiced opinion, there, Dan. You are now saying that people who feel they are in the wrong bodies are dismorphic which is an entirely different health issue.

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I'm saying its a mental condition/a feeling - its not reality.

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

Being a male who thinks of themselves -as a female- engaging in sexual activity with males who is aroused and who gets an erection at those thoughts should also validate that is a fact by your odd definition of a fact then.

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Confused at that, need to explain better if there's a point in what you said.

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Originally Posted by Catzsy

It is prejudiced because transgender people are recognised in law and can now change their birth certificates and become the sex they desire. I am assuming then that ordinary men and woman who also require hormone treatment for conditions they have are the same as far as you are concerned then?

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Oh the law, yes well modern politically correct law is very differing from reality.

As for the second option, depends on hormones/DNA - but no, if you are born with a vagina and have female DNA/genes then are you a woman and the same for a man only the opposite.

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Originally Posted by Mrs.McCall

I think you're using this to peddle your own transphobic views. I think your reasoning for being annoyed at this is more due to the fact that wanting to be a different gender is something you cannot understand. Surprisingly, I've never had this worry but I do know people who feel that they've been trapped in the wrong body and the hell that they have to go through.

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Oh what absolute nonsense, get a grip. I'm annoyed because taxpayers money is being spent on this and the fact that cancer patients are denied life-extending drugs in place for this. I said earlier on if he wanted to undergo gender 'reassignment' then he could do so and I wouldn't blink an eyelid - provided its out of his own pocket and not mine.

Now grow up instead of throwing around silly words, 'phobic this, phobic that' - get a grip over yourself.

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Originally Posted by Mrs.McCall

However, I agree this shouldn't be paid by the NHS. The NHS should be there for people in need, who need to get better, whose health will dramatically increase due to its actions. I think it's terrible that she felt she had to commit suicide but suicidal thoughts shouldn't be reasoning for money like that being paid out. For the suicidal thoughts, she should've been given therapy. I feel any cosmetic surgery that isn't needed to save a life should be paid privately.

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We're agreed then, so either you can withdraw the fact i'm 'transphobic' or you are too by your own definition.

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Originally Posted by Mrs.McCall

There have been many cases where teen girls have been given NHS surgery for breast augmentation because they were bullied. Where obese people were given liposuction because they refuse to lose weight. These were not widely reported yet this one is. Considering the source it doesn't surprise me but I feel that article is doing nothing but stir up transphobia and hatred.

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And that shouldn't be paid for either, as for liposuction stories - they have been reported.

There is no hatred here, its a matter of priority, common sense and money.

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Originally Posted by HotelUser

That's like saying you can cure being homosexual Dan. And what you're basically saying yourself is we shouldn't try to 'cure' homosexual people, but we should try to 'cure' transgendered people because otherwise giving into what they want would cost you too much.

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We have been through this, homosexuality is a chemical fact whereas transsexuality is not a chemical fact, it is a feeling/mental condition.

"Trapped in the wrong body", what a heap. You are born with what you are because of which chromosones you have. Because you follow feminine traits does not make you of another gender. What a selfish ******** to take that much any money over aesthetic things when people die because they are rejected funding for life saving treatment and surgery.

I was saying that, you said there's a certain factuality about homosexuality because it's limited, for instance, a male getting aroused when he thinks sexually about another male which just simply cannot be helped - thus implying that the processess is isn't subjective because the male has no say in the process.

However by your own logic you've deemed transgendered people's desires to be equally factual because a male transgendered would be aroused if they thought sexually about a male - whilst throughout their sexual thoughts they thought of themself as a female.

A transgendered male will be aroused thinking that they're a female engaging in sexual activity with a male. I suppose that's a "fact".