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It's interesting how it is completely down to laws revolving around organisations and businesses. The moment you register a company it does seem you have to bin any beliefs and opinions until you close for the night. I still think it was a bit harsh fining the couple, especially when loads of sources seem to be suggesting they were polite to the gay couple, rather than aggressive. An interesting case to say the least :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Catzsy
Maybe not, but they got on with it. Black people are generally accepted in all modern society now, we think nothing of different toned skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catzsy
Yes, but it really is quite a nominal sum but he has given leave to appeal so maybe someone will back them financially to see what the result would be. From a purely selfish point of view there, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by GommeInc
@ Ayd- so therefore, perhaps we should think of two people of the same sex sharing a bed as nothing too. Do you think that of two ladies had turned up they would have even batted an eye lid? I would say two lesbians could probably get away with it but not the male gay couple. What if two brothers had turned up and wanted a double room to save money?
Dan you're most certainly crazy.
I agree people are allowed to practice their own religions and the views on which they're governed by, but if they wish to have a public business and 'open their homes' then they should accept the same laws we all do if we were to have a business. it's unfair to disregard or refuse people for their choices/religion/sexuality or anything else on which is their own personalities or makes them who they are.
They are not a militant homosexual couple, they're just normal people whom are gay. Why should they be refused board in a private business just because the owners have a religion on which they believe dictates 'bestiality' or homosexual acts aren't correct or allowed? it's not correct to treat people this way in this day and age, they're most certainly wrong in having a business in which people from all walks of life may use their services and i damn well hope they shut down their business if they can't handle that.
Would you feel the same if they said no to a sufferer of MS? after all, ms isn't choosable as homosexuality isn't choosable. you can't just dictate what you find attractive? you can't dictate what your body suffers from (in the case of MS) it's not fair.
That's not a very realistic as an example is it. I'm sure the owners would be quite aware they were brothers and not in love. And I'm sure people like this would do the same for lesbian relationships. I very much doubt they turned these men away before finding out about their sexuality anyway.
Well it is quite accepted in society and always has been for two woman to share a bed so it is a very realistic scenario. Also I am quite certain that the couple did not register saying 'hey we are gay'. To even be interrogated as to their sexuality is breach of their personal privacy and human rights. You can't uphold that for one section of the community without upholding it for the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayd
If they do appeal they may bring up the point that they have the right to exercise their right to religion. The hotel industry is quite different to other industries, especially when it involves a place of residence for the owners (thus somewhat "private" than "public"). Their B&B is a unique example where you work in a public industry within a private building. The Equality Act 2010 is an interesting read, but I can't help but notice a distinct lack of information regarding religion and beliefs, it's mentioned as a definition but the rest of the Act seems to focus on sexual orientation, gender alignment and disabilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catzsy
If they weren't bothered by their sexuality they wouldn't mind people knowing about it. It wouldn't bother them. I have only ever met one lesbian couple in my life, they were quite nice and joked to my mother that she'd expected us to be awkward around them even though I was polite as always :rolleyes:. They weren't going to be bothered in the slightest. And they were quite willing to accept the childish teenage view of things and not let it get to them? So why should it be different for these.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catzsy
I'm sorry but to me, it all comes down to who owns the establishment to who's views become more dominant, and the others should have to accept it. Providing of course that it isn't ridiculous like terrorism.
A B&B is somebody's home. If I had someone in my house for example at a party (which I have) and ordered them out, it shouldn't be a breach against human rights.
Frankly the act should be re-written, it causes too many problems and gets more innocent people charged then guilty people jailed or deported.
Where do you create that line between something ridiculous and not ridiculous though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayd
To me, religion is ridiculous. The fact that people's lived are being interupted because of the way they feel about another human being is just wrong imo. Sure it's their beliefs, but no matter how strongly you believe something, i just dont think that can top the way you feel about someone.
I just think its silly people are being discriminated in this day and age in this country. If you open your service to the public, expect the public to come, not just white people, not just black people, not just lesbians, everyone.
And terrorists and killers too. The world will always discriminate against people, some people choose not to like other people. It's just one of these things, and we must accept those views, taking them into account when running their day to day businesses.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaughtyNemo