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Ah, but food is individual, a film isn't. If I download a song off of a torrent website, I wouldn't have bought it anyway, therefore the label or artist has not actually lost anything. But if I steal some food from a shop, actually produce has been lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by peteyt
I know you've covered it and all, but the fact music and film can be taken in a way that's not physical and tangible is the sole reason so many do it. I'm taking a guess that around 99% of the unique illegal downloaders in the world would never dare take a DVD or an album.
I don't really know where the discussion is going with all of this, but habits like these are hard to break somebody out of. We can lecture on and on about being at the other end of the spectrum but we're missing the bigger picture.
The damages for illegal downloading exceeds the amount of money there is in the world, and I'm pretty sure that's just for one studio. That's just how much artists get screwed over, but it's sadly a bit futile.
I think as much as the end buyers can be blamed for us, the growing trend in MP3 sales can be blamed too. The biggest MP3 seller in the world, rips people off like no tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by elliot
Many buyers, do not realise there are other far better options when buying songs (such as Amazon MP3 etc), and go straight to iTunes.
I am going to pick five songs at random, and compare the prices between the store everyone has heard of (iTunes) and the far less well known store (Amazon MP3).
1) Friendly Fires - Pala - Live Those Days Tonight
iTunes = 0.99p
Amazon MP3 = 0.79p
2) Adele - 21 - Rolling in the Deep
iTunes - 0.99p
Amazon MP3 - 0.79p
3) Foo Fighters - Wasting Light - Arlandria
iTunes - 0.99p
Amazon MP3 - 0.79p
4) Kate Bush - Director's Cut - Never Be Mine
iTunes - 0.99p
Amazon MP3 - 0.79p
5) Chris Brown - Beautiful People - Beautiful People
iTunes - 0.99p
Amazon MP3 - 0.79p
And a random CD..
6) Bruno Mars - Doo-Wops & Hooligans
iTunes - £7.99
Amazon MP3 - £7.49
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Now is it any wonder, if people do not know of other options apart from iTunes? The new MP3 business, in Apples direction is clearly a complete and utter rip off.
The argument is invalid either way, it was proven pirates spend, on average, more on music yearly than any 'legal' consumer.
it doesn't make it right still though
Is it not? If I download an album and like it, I'm going to buy it, if I don't, I'll keep the download but not listen to it often or buy it legally. Just an example, I discovered I love The Killers and The Prodigy through downloading their albums and as a result I've gone and bought a physical disks.Quote:
Originally Posted by peteyt
A slightly stronger reply to my post on this page would be appreciated.Quote:
Originally Posted by peteyt
Firstly to Recursion the problem is a large amount of downloaders aren't doing that and that's the problem. I know people who claim they are the biggest fans of bands and love all their stuff yet never actually buy their stuff. Some people will download stuff and then eventually buy it but the a large amount aren't fussed as they are getting it for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marketing
And to you think Marketing. A lot more people are buying stuff digitally these days as its cheap and illegal. If you buy a lot of stuff then the differences in prices e.g. between Amazon and iTunes would add up but for an occasional buy its still cheap. Companies are always going to try and beat people's prices so its no surprise to find there's a difference, you'd find the same comparing dvd and CD releases from multiple stores and supermarkets.
The problem is while some people only download music because of the price and thus have embraced the world of cheap digital sales, many simply download because its free and no matter what price Amazon or iTunes offer them, the will still download.
Most people don't pirate for cost but because it's easier. For example I pirate TV shows because I can't be bothered to sit in front of the tv at the correct time or set a PVR to record, not because I'm bothered about watching adverts. I don't got to watch films in a cinema because it's so inconvenient to actually go to the cinema. For Music I use spotify because it's so damn convenient, I used to use the Free version but because it was so convenient I now pay for the premium and I can get any song I want, at anytime, anywhere with 3G, I don't have to stick in my password every-time I want a song and it's bloody well cost effective. If companies give the the option to watch TV shows and Films legally from my computer in a convenient way then I'll happily watch adverts and if it's a good service and a reasonable price I'll even pay for it just like spotify.
And the nonsense is that many companies do it (For TV) but they're so over the top about regional restriction. I can't get any of the american dramas that I like without waiting three months for them to air here.
http://www.utorrent.com/ Download this
http://www.isohunt.com/ Download torrents from here (torrents are a legal way of sharing files guis!)
http://www.thepiratebay.org/ And here
Can get some films in HD (BR rips), can get some films currently in the cinema as R5s if you get lucky. Avoid cams unless you want **** quality ****. Much better than a low quality stream.
People who say pirating is stealing: It isn't. Pirating brings more copies of whatever is pirated into the world and doesn't cause any party involved to lose the pirated item. The music industry should embrace pirating, it spurs consumerism.