Scientists discover particles which exceed the speed of light!

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Originally Posted by Ardemax

Science has proven that iron is a metal element. As far as I can tell, this is true.

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But science theorises that everything in existence is actually nothing, so that iron is nothing

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Originally Posted by Wazzervaldez

I'm actually starting to disagree with what I said about science not always being right (I know..disagreeing with my own statement) - I've been 'convinced' by many people, that science is advancing, with new technology.

However, I don't agree that the knowledge of physics is forever evolving, for example...atoms. The theory of atoms was first put forward by a philosopher called 'Democritus' in 460 B.C, of course people found his theory ridiculous at the time because people mainly believed in 'the God's' rather than philosophy/science. Anyway, he proposed that everything in the world was made up of little building blocks called atoms which were un-divisible. As we can see , over 1000's of years - this theory still exists today. It shows that all beliefs in science aren't evolving - even the most common beliefs today, go back to B.C times.

I don't think that scientific belief's are evolving, I just think that as new technology becomes available - we have new potential to discover even more - a good example, when people discovered the earth wasn't flat xL.

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Originally Posted by Accipiter

But science theorises that everything in existence is actually nothing, so that iron is nothing

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I have no idea what you just said, but I can see iron, I can buy iron, I can touch iron, I can smell iron. I can iron on iron.

If everything is "actually nothing", then what you just said doesn't exist and as far as I am concerned, I am a unicorn galloping on a rainbow in Slovenia drinking apple juice and watching 1997 repeats of Eastenders.

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Originally Posted by Mathew

Scientists thought they'd proven that "nothing can travel faster than light" when it turns out they can, hence it was never proven in the first place. It was simply a theory which gained support.

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No, scientists never said that at all.

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Originally Posted by Wig44.

No, scientists never said that at all.

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I have a feeling they must have since yano, it's kinda all over the news?

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Originally Posted by Accipiter

But science theorises that everything in existence is actually nothing, so that iron is nothing

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"I think therefore I am" Basic premise meaning, I am aware of myself therefore I must exist in some form, whether a computer simulation, an imaginary construct etcetera. So the theory that everything in existence is nothing is false.

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Originally Posted by Wig44.

Most ridiculous post in this thread so far. It may be true to an extent in psychology, but in purer sciences you can prove 'something'.

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You clearly don't realise that there's no such thing as scientific fact, only a most plausible theory.

People used to think the earth was flat
People used to think the sun went around the earth
People used to think we were a creation of god rather than evolution (Some still do)

These are called paradigm shifts and we've been through enough of them to realise that Einstein's theories will eventually be disproved, amended or laughed at.

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Originally Posted by Wig44.

Time dilation isn't the same as time travel, they won't have travelled back in time.

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Considering that the closer you get to the speed of light the more it dilates it is conceivable (Although I must confess I haven't looked it up) that at the speed of light the Neutrinos would (From our perspective) not be changing, past the speed of light I'd imagine (Along the same line of thinking) that they'd experience time in reverse. I could be all wrong, it was more of a whimsical thought than anything else.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

"I think therefore I am" Basic premise meaning, I am aware of myself therefore I must exist in some form, whether a computer simulation, an imaginary construct etcetera. So the theory that everything in existence is nothing is false.


You clearly don't realise that there's no such thing as scientific fact, only a most plausible theory.

People used to think the earth was flat
People used to think the sun went around the earth
People used to think we were a creation of god rather than evolution (Some still do)

These are called paradigm shifts and we've been through enough of them to realise that Einstein's theories will eventually be disproved, amended or laughed at.


Considering that the closer you get to the speed of light the more it dilates it is conceivable (Although I must confess I haven't looked it up) that at the speed of light the Neutrinos would (From our perspective) not be changing, past the speed of light I'd imagine (Along the same line of thinking) that they'd experience time in reverse. I could be all wrong, it was more of a whimsical thought than anything else.

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Under that theory then everything in existence must think? Or, the ones that don't think don't exist?

I was under the impression that was philosophy not science myself, saying they're aware of their own existence and can control their thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Accipiter

Under that theory then everything in existence must think? Or, the ones that don't think don't exist?

I was under the impression that was philosophy not science myself, saying they're aware of their own existence and can control their thoughts.

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It's not just thinking, it's awareness of your own thinking. And it doesn't rule out everything that isn't self-aware, in fact it only rules yourself in, everything else could be not real, but probably is, but because you know yourself exists you know that the statement "Nothing exists" is false and the statement "Somethings exist" is true.

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Originally Posted by Chippiewill

"I think therefore I am" Basic premise meaning, I am aware of myself therefore I must exist in some form, whether a computer simulation, an imaginary construct etcetera. So the theory that everything in existence is nothing is false.


You clearly don't realise that there's no such thing as scientific fact, only a most plausible theory.

People used to think the earth was flat
People used to think the sun went around the earth
People used to think we were a creation of god rather than evolution (Some still do)

These are called paradigm shifts and we've been through enough of them to realise that Einstein's theories will eventually be disproved, amended or laughed at.


Considering that the closer you get to the speed of light the more it dilates it is conceivable (Although I must confess I haven't looked it up) that at the speed of light the Neutrinos would (From our perspective) not be changing, past the speed of light I'd imagine (Along the same line of thinking) that they'd experience time in reverse. I could be all wrong, it was more of a whimsical thought than anything else.

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There is such a thing as scientific fact. All of your examples are ones where people theorised what was happening and never sought proof. Here's a scientific fact for you, if I drop the cup I am drinking from it will accelerate towards the floor at 9.81ms^-2, less if you account for air resistance. It is another fact that gravity is providing the force per unit mass to cause the cup to accelerate. Another would be that the further away from the surface of the earth I get, the less the initial acceleration value will be when I drop the cup. What is only theory is whether gravity is instantaneous, what exactly gravity is etc.

Sounds a good find I'll be checking the news :)

David.