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Originally Posted by dirrty

...speak for yourself. there are probably millions of people in this world who receive everything from their parents/whomever. to them it's not a fantasy world, but rather their own reality which evidently is different to others who don't have access to such luxuries. and nevertheless, everyone doesn't have to work for everything. hell, i've only worked a month in my life, incredibly materialistic and haven't done any deviant acts to acquire things, so evidently there is a easy way to get what you want...

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...speak for yourself. transition of adulthood when reality hits you very hard and the 'We are not living in a fantasy world where everything is given to us on a plate' suddenly becomes true instead of 'mama i want a lollipop'. Somehow, we all as adults will have to live independently and work hard because you won't get food or even CLEAN WATER FREE unless you beg for it which is a lazy way of thinking. Human beings love the easy way method. Maybe because of that we have wars etc.

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Originally Posted by GirlNextDoor15

...speak for yourself. transition of adulthood when reality hits you very hard and the 'We are not living in a fantasy world where everything is given to us on a plate' suddenly becomes true instead of 'mama i want a lollipop'. Somehow, we all as adults will have to live independently and work hard because you won't get food or even CLEAN WATER FREE unless you beg for it which is a lazy way of thinking. Human beings love the easy way method. Maybe because of that we have wars etc.

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i don't get how you can't grasp that not everyone is in that bloody situation, omg. as i said in my previous post, not everyone has to fend for themselves because they have family/even the government who'd financially help them. no one should think any less than them, but rather they are utilising what is available to them. and there is a difference between asking for something, and begging for it - only those who believe they're incredibly desperate, beg.

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Originally Posted by dirrty

i don't get how you can't grasp that not everyone is in that bloody situation, omg. as i said in my previous post, not everyone has to fend for themselves because they have family/even the government who'd financially help them. no one should think any less than them, but rather they are utilising what is available to them. and there is a difference between asking for something, and begging for it - only those who believe they're incredibly desperate, beg.

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Why is it so hard to understand? The situation here is stupid. You don't have money for example to buy a car and so, you ask from your parents. But, you gotta know you can't rely on them forever and so, government can be another option. Financial aids from government will be a great burden to you and you'll face a more complicated future. The payment plus with the interests etc. So, that's why we have financial crisis. Why face all these problems when you can just live by what you have. It's like you can buy a car now but you can't buy a car in the future. Simple

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Originally Posted by GirlNextDoor15

Why is it so hard to understand? The situation here is stupid. You don't have money for example to buy a car and so, you ask from your parents. But, you gotta know you can't rely on them forever and so, government can be another option. Financial aids from government will be a great burden to you and you'll face a more complicated future. The payment plus with the interests etc. So, that's why we have financial crisis. Why face all these problems when you can just live by what you have. It's like you can buy a car now but you can't buy a car in the future. Simple

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because what is the point in living with what you have if yr not happy with it. that's liking saying those born into poverty should just stay there because that's what they should come to expect from life.

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Originally Posted by Bethie

because what is the point in living with what you have if yr not happy with it. that's liking saying those born into poverty should just stay there because that's what they should come to expect from life.

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Ahhh I can see the problem now. You enjoy temporary happiness instead of being patient and then, you'll get what you want later. The concept is about working for what you want and not keep on asking for it until you're broke. And that's a good example too. You can try to improve your life but don't go over the board like I said. Today, you can ask for a car but tomorrow, you may ask for an aeroplane. That's when I say live by what you have until it's right for changes. For instance, people in Vietnam has been living by what they have but it's obvious their economic growth now is better than Greece.

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Originally Posted by GirlNextDoor15

Why is it so hard to understand? The situation here is stupid. You don't have money for example to buy a car and so, you ask from your parents. But, you gotta know you can't rely on them forever and so, government can be another option. Financial aids from government will be a great burden to you and you'll face a more complicated future. The payment plus with the interests etc. So, that's why we have financial crisis. Why face all these problems when you can just live by what you have. It's like you can buy a car now but you can't buy a car in the future. Simple

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i understand everything perfectly, thank you very much. i believe it's you who fails to see the wider picture. i (and probably everyone else) are aware that they can't rely on their parents forever, but there are some people who literally can because their family wealth is so vast. this is what you're not understanding. you're assuming that everyone is in the same boat, and thus should be treated, and act the same financially. but there are too many different variables within different families and the individuals themselves to just simply assume. and just because an individual receives, borrows, etc. money from their family doesn't mean they don't understand that the treatment that they're receiving doesn't last forever.nevertheless, in regards to financial aid from the government, of course one shouldn't simply rely on them if they can avoid it, but that's easier said than done (especially for those who have legitimate reasons for receiving 'x' amount from the government). and in my previous post when i mentioned financial aid from the government, i actually meant that in relation to student loans but that's by fault for not stating that originally, but nevertheless, everyone is different - so assuming one argument for everyone is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by dirrty

i understand everything perfectly, thank you very much. i believe it's you who fails to see the wider picture. i (and probably everyone else) are aware that they can't rely on their parents forever, but there are some people who literally can because their family wealth is so vast. this is what you're not understanding. you're assuming that everyone is in the same boat, and thus should be treated, and act the same financially. but there are too many different variables within different families and the individuals themselves to just simply assume. and just because an individual receives, borrows, etc. money from their family doesn't mean they don't understand that the treatment that they're receiving doesn't last forever.nevertheless, in regards to financial aid from the government, of course one shouldn't simply rely on them if they can avoid it, but that's easier said than done (especially for those who have legitimate reasons for receiving 'x' amount from the government). and in my previous post when i mentioned financial aid from the government, i actually meant that in relation to student loans but that's by fault for not stating that originally, but nevertheless, everyone is different - so assuming one argument for everyone is ridiculous.

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Yes indeed. And that's the problem with this society. They won't appreciate the wealth until its all gone or used up. So, those who are not from wealthy family can all learn about this huge mistake of not living by what you have until appropriate changes should be done. About the financial aids, are materials like cars that important until you have to sacrifice half of your lifetime for it? We are living in this modern world still undergoing urbanization and we have buses, taxis, monorails etc.

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Originally Posted by GirlNextDoor15

Yes indeed. And that's the problem with this society. They won't appreciate the wealth until its all gone or used up. About the financial aids, are materials like cars that important until you have to sacrifice half of your lifetime for it? We are living in this modern world still undergoing urbanization and we have buses, taxis, monorails etc.

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pretty sure people can do whatever they want with their money - and family giving other members money doesn't equate to a problem for society. it's their own bloody money and they can do whatever they desire with it :S and i don't get how you've jumped so far ahead to assume that their wealth will be gone/used up. seems like you're thinking too extreme tbf.

and yes, i'm pretty sure a car is quite important (depending upon your location) if one wishes to have a job. besides commuting (which isn't viable for everyone), having a car is the next best thing. once again, you can't grasp that people can do whatever they want with their money if they have it. godddddddddddddd, why should people have to use buses, taxis, monorails when they can get a car if they desire? i'm applying for a summer internship and my adviser told me that only apply if i have a car because it's essentially in the middle of nowhere. should i get a taxi? no. why? because having a car is easier and because i can do what i want with what i have. i don't get why people should be told how to spend theirown money, jesus! the bus to my house finishes at 6. if i'm in the city centre, should i get a taxi? no. why? because i don't want to (and it's expensive). should i get a bus and walk the extra distance? no. why? because i don't want to. do you see a pattern emerging here? just because there are alternatives to something, doesn't mean everyone should jump ship and take the alternative method, especially if they're more comfortable with what they normally utilise and it's more convenient...

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Originally Posted by GirlNextDoor15

With the Eurozone crisis and high unemployment rate at Western countries, you still want to deny that ASIA is stronger than the Western countries? We don't have to take the whole ASIA as an example. Countries like Vietnam and China will make a good example already. It's not just what I think or how I want things to be.

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Ok well that has absolutely nothing to do with what I asked

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Originally Posted by GirlNextDoor15

I can understand what you're trying to convey here but it's unrealistic. You and I both know there is no easy way to get what you want unless you work for it. We are not living in a fantasy world where everything is given to us on a plate. How ever absurd and heart breaking you might think the truth is, we just have to accept it and live with it until better days which are suitable for changes come.

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Actually no, I know that there is an easy way to get what I want without working hard at all. I do live in a world where everything is given to me on a plate. I personally can't remember the last time I had to go milk a cow, crop some wheat, refine some sugar, mine some salt, dig for water, and build an oven in order to make a sandwich, and I'm pretty sure that's because I've never had to rather than due to poor memory

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Originally Posted by GirlNextDoor15

About the financial aids, are materials like cars that important until you have to sacrifice half of your lifetime for it?

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Wait now you're basically saying that we shouldn't work for things :S "sacrific[ing] half of your lifetime" in order to gain material possessions sounds exactly like what getting a job and working hard means

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Originally Posted by dirrty

pretty sure people can do whatever they want with their money - and family giving other members money doesn't equate to a problem for society. it's their own bloody money and they can do whatever they desire with it :S and i don't get how you've jumped so far ahead to assume that their wealth will be gone/used up. seems like you're thinking too extreme tbf.

and yes, i'm pretty sure a car is quite important (depending upon your location) if one wishes to have a job. besides commuting (which isn't viable for everyone), having a car is the next best thing. once again, you can't grasp that people can do whatever they want with their money if they have it. godddddddddddddd, why should people have to use buses, taxis, monorails when they can get a car if they desire? i'm applying for a summer internship and my adviser told me that only apply if i have a car because it's essentially in the middle of nowhere. should i get a taxi? no. why? because having a car is easier and because i can do what i want with what i have. i don't get why people should be told how to spend theirown money, jesus! the bus to my house finishes at 6. if i'm in the city centre, should i get a taxi? no. why? because i don't want to (and it's expensive). should i get a bus and walk the extra distance? no. why? because i don't want to. do you see a pattern emerging here? just because there are alternatives to something, doesn't mean everyone should jump ship and take the alternative method, especially if they're more comfortable with what they normally utilise and it's more convenient...

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Well, keep using your money without thinking and I'm sure you're gonna be broke before you even have a career. And yes, they can use money however they want it without working hard but who's gonna get the money for them? Parents? No, they're not Edward Cullen. Friends? They'll probably tell you to **** off. So, with all the money they have, when will they start thinking for themselves?

GET A CAR WHEN YOU HAVE CASH instead of loans because loans will be a burden unless you want to be stuck with loans, then it's k. That's the thing almost everyone fails to see. Don't you save money? Nobody tells you to use all of it when you have them. Save it for your future, that's what people say. But if your adviser is encouraging you to have a car, then fine.

FIRST WORLD

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Actually no, I know that thereisan easy way to get what I want without working hard at all. Idolive in a world where everything is given to me on a plate. I personally can't remember the last time I had to go milk a cow, crop some wheat, refine some sugar, mine some salt, dig for water, and build an oven in order to make a sandwich, and I'm pretty sure that's because I've never had to rather than due to poor memory

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Where do all the money come from? Parents is the easy way haha. Don't you at least work for it or government pay you allowances?

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Originally Posted by FlyingJesus

Wait now you're basically saying that we shouldn't work for things:S"sacrific[ing] half of your lifetime" in order to gain material possessions sounds exactly like what getting a job and working hard means

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Well, everybody has to work for money. Money will not fall from the sky. But when you dont have enough money to buy what you want, you may go for financial aids and that means you're gonna pay back in the future.