Gender-based abortions: right or wrong?

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Originally Posted by HE-Joshua

Well done you can certainly post 8 year old statistics never the less 13% is a high number.

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Emphasis on UNSAFE abortions

Anyway I found a newer source

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(WHO Maternal mortality report) 2012

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• Every day, approximately 800 women die from preventable causes related to pregnancy and childbirth.
• Women die as a result of complications during and following pregnancy and childbirth. Most of these complications develop during pregnancy. Other complications may exist before pregnancy but are worsened during pregnancy. The major complications that account for 80% of all maternal deaths are:
  
  • severe bleeding (mostly bleeding after childbirth)
  • infections (usually after childbirth)
  • high blood pressure during pregnancy (pre-eclampsia and eclampsia)
  • The remainder are caused by or associated with diseases such as malaria, and AIDS during pregnancy.
  
  Maternal health and newborn health are closely linked. More than three million newborn babies die every year, and an additional 2.6 million babies are stillborn.

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Originally Posted by -Moniquee.

Anti abortion laws are enforced for a reason, just think about that.

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I am laughing at this bc this is so stupid. There are countries with Anti-Gay laws, countries where the law says women aren't allowed to drive, countries where religious conversion is prohibited. There is a lame ass reason to all of these laws doesn't mean they are oppressive in some kind of way

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The adoption system these days is organising adoptions before the birth has even taken place, for other children, many find their homes within the first 3 months. They are fed and given attention, which to me is a lot better than being killed in the womb.

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Sounds amazing. Find me any adoption system which works so well in countries in any of the African countries, China, India, Indonesia, the list goes on and on.

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Actually, today abortion is decreasing and hopefully in the future it will cease all together.

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Would love to see the source

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How is someone that wants to abort able to tell if it's going to be unsafe?

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When there's no proper healthcare? How do you think abortion is carried out in third world countries? You're an idiot

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Well, in conclusion; abortion causes short and long- term health affects which is going to affect her more mentally, emotionally and physically than carrying a child would.

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And you say this because? From personal experience? If not I don't know how you can conclude this point. This is stupid, get out of your delusion

I think you should read this site, sums up all my views.
That is all.
http://www.silentnomoreawareness.org...eid=85&owner=0

Also you are bringing up the WHO maternal articles. THINGS LIKE THESE CAN HAPPEN ANYTIME DURING PREGNANCY. You said that precautions don't work and then pregnancy occurs.

Well, this just proves that if youre not ready for a child, keep your legs shut.

Well I am laughing at your 'views'

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#1 - Women still die from abortion.Women still die from the abortion procedure, as well as from complications that occur afterwards.1Studies also show that women with abortion history have an increased risk of dying from a variety of causes after abortion

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Clearly cannot be compared with women dying due to pregnancy complications. Everything has side effects, the 'precautions' you were talking about earlier have side effects too. Birth control pills can lead to death and other long term health effects too. Most recent example, is this

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#3 – Abortion creates emotional and behavioral problems for women

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...And having a child you don't want/put up for adoption isn't an emotional problem? Is this even real

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Abortion is a form of racism against poor and ethnic women.Planned Parenthood identifies its core clients as young, low-income women of color. Black and Hispanic women represent only a quarter of American women of child-bearing age, yet account for more than half of all abortions in the U.S

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Don't get what's being implied here?? Abortion should be a woman's decision. If she's influenced by others and then tries to go ahead with the decision of course it's wrong.

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#5 – Abortion has led to increased violence against pregnant women.

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Can you even imagine what kind of emotional trauma an unmarried or unemployed or a teenager who's pregnant could go through?

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#6 - Women are pressured and coerced by family, friends, employers, institutions of learning, and sexual predators into having abortions

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As I said, the ultimate decision is the mother's. If she is influenced then it's wrong. Anyhow, a pregnant woman who doesn't need the child but still goes through the term will be harassed and pressurized more by her family, friends and employers. Would your school support a pregnant teenager? Don't think so

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#8 - Abortion negatively affects women’s future relationships

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The irrelevance of this page has flown into another dimension. If you consider this one a real point, then idk man I can't even bother explaining how ****** this point is

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#10 - Abortion affects women spiritually.

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Why would it affect a woman spiritually if the decision is hers? Lol.

Your views reflect ____________________ i take that back.

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Originally Posted by HE-Joshua

Your views reflect ____________________ i take that back.

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Why did you edit your post? My views reflect my thirld world living. What makes you say that? The fact that I am standing up for the choice of the mother? Sadly Joshua, many of the first world countries agree with my third world country and abortion is legal on request in my country (unlike yours)

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Originally Posted by karter

Why did you edit your post? My views reflect my thirld world living. What makes you say that? The fact that I am standing up for the choice of the mother? Sadly Joshua, many of the first world countries agree with my third world country and abortion is legal on request in my country (unlike yours)

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Why is the UK green? It should be blue. Is it because Northern Ireland is green, so it makes the whole of the UK green? They should make the British isles blue.

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I must say, I'm pretty amazed by all the people saying abortion is wrong. What happens in cases of rape? Or in cases of children that won't survive out of the womb? Or in cases that the mother herself will die?

I guess putting down sick animals is also wrong. And slaughtering animals for food is wrong.

And keep going @karter; I understand what you're saying :)

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Originally Posted by -Moniquee.

If an egg hasn't been fertilised it isn't living. If you truly understand the facts you just sent then why should people be killing more people?
Adoption agencies generally ensure all children are adopted to good families before letting the child go. SURROGACY also allows the child to be switched parents at birth so it wouldn't know any different. Don't you think it is fair for a child to live a life they deserve?
If you think children of colour/ disability have a lower chance of being adopted you are WRONG. I always see on the news that people have adopted a child with a disability of a certain race.
If the woman or couple isn't ready to have a baby then she shouldn't be engaging in sex. SIMPLE AS THAT.
If you think abortion is okay, then shame on you. You are killing the future generation.
Abortion is murder of a defenceless child. It is actually disgraceful that in the 21st century people still think that it is okay to abort an unborn child.
TO SUM IT ALL UP, IF YOU CAN'T LOOK AFTER A CHILD KEEP YOUR LEGS SHUT!
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Oh i didn't read the post above that. You think that womens health is affected when she falls pregnant? Well an abortion leads to worse health problems than pregnancy could ever lead to. An abortion leads to an increase in breast cancer and could also potentially lead to future miscarriages and problems with conceiving.
I think you need to look at the health issues associated with abortion and re-think your opinion.
@karter

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So, wait. You think that a case where a woman could die giving birth isn't worse than an increased risk of breast cancer and future miscarriages? How does that work?

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

Um yes it is, and we all admit to it when we call the unborn who are wanted 'the baby' even in the early weeks and instead call the unwanted babies 'the foetus' to dehumanise it. Because this argument that it isn't human until a certain time period is complete garbage when you really think of it logically - babies develop at different rates in the womb although broadly follow the same development rate. So right - why is it that at a certain number of weeks a foetus suddenly becomes a baby? what mechanism is it that activates which turns that being from a foetus into a baby? And can the hour, time/process be pinpointed or captured on camera?

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It seems you're the one caught up in semantics - baby is not a technical term, the difference is just one between developing foetus and realised human, and therefore one of potential vs actuality. As I said in the very post you quoted here it is my opinion that until there is some sense development (which yes, can be pinpointed through brain scans) it is merely a potential life, a cluster of cells following chemical processes, and unless you believe that sperm contains magic souls that are implanted as soon as they reach an egg then it is medical fact that this is what they are at that stage. By your logic we are back to all periods and all ejaculate being real living beings because of what they are attempting to do on a cellular level. In terms of how alive an early foetus is, it has the same DNA and make-up as dandruff but washing one's hair isn't murder

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Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-

There are countless stories of babies, sorry 'foetuses' that have been born and survived before the 23/4 week abortion limit - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...-recovery.html - Little human beings like that and we're pretending they aren't human, it's a disgrace.

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Congrats on totally ignoring my explicit repetitions that I don't agree with late-term abortions. At that stage yes they are little humans, but there are very clear stages where this is not the case in any way

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Originally Posted by -Moniquee.

I find it disgusting that people still think abortion is acceptable. If you don't want a child in the first place wear protection or don't have sex. If you get pregnant and don't want the child, give it to another family, I think it is called surrogates? There are so many people in the world who can't have children and would make lovely parents. It's horrible to think people could abort their child if you could find out if it was gay or a different race. The child is still yours.
So horrible that people are killing an unborn child, everyone has a right to live.

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Foetus =/= child, and it's a hugely ignorant stance to take that adoption and post-birth abandonment are better solutions. The problem with you "pro-life" types is that you only seem to care about it until it leaves the mother's body, and after that you just believe that the world will manage to take care of it perfectly and there'll be no negative effects. Furthermore, adoption and fostering are not nearly as prolific as they need to be for the current level of unwanted children, so you get kids being shipped around non-homes for years and years being unloved and statistically being more prone to abuse, mental illness, and latent criminal tendencies - but that's fine as long as a group of unfeeling cells aren't damaged, right?

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Originally Posted by -Moniquee.

Don't you think it is fair for a child to live a life they deserve?
If you think children of colour/ disability have a lower chance of being adopted you are WRONG. I always see on the news that people have adopted a child with a disability of a certain race.

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You have no clue what you're talking about and are spouting proven lies as though they were fact - not just "opinions", lies. You seeing a news story about a disabled kid being adopted does not mean that decades of collated and ongoing research which outright prove the huge disparity in adoption of healthy white children to disabled non-whites, and frankly I find it sickening that you let an unfounded opinion blind you so much that you publish falsities just to save yourself from admitting that you're wrong. Yes it's fair for a child to live a life they deserve, which is why forcing people to carry a pregnancy to term and then abandoning the kid to be pushed around from place to place on the off-chance that someone might want them (and then allowing the potential trauma and suffering when they find out they were unwanted from before they were even born) is ridiculous. You are an uneducated, bigoted liar who masquerades their heavily flawed opinion as though it were universal truth despite all proof to the contrary, and then you have the sheer gall to tell other people to go re-think their opinion

Can I just add, all you pro-life people, you need to realise that women that have abortions aren't all women that have had one night stands and have gotten pregnant accidentally. There are couples, trying for children that end up having abortions.

Excuse me Kardan facts are not welcome here

Unless the child is heavily defected and the quality of life will be poor or degraded, an abortion shouldn't be considered. There is no reason to abort a perfectly fine human spawn.